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Evidence for the design of life: part 1 Genetic redundancy
Journal of Creation ^ | Peter Borger, Ph.D.

Posted on 11/15/2009 6:52:24 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Knockout strategies have demonstrated that the function of many genes cannot be studied by disrupting them in model organisms because the inactivation of these genes does not lead to a phenotypic effect. For living systems, this peculiar phenomenon of genetic redundancy seems to be the rule rather than the exception. Genetic redundancy is now defined as the situation in which the disruption of a gene is selectively neutral. Biology shows us that 1) two or more genes in an organism can often substitute for each other, 2) some genes are just there in a silent state. Inactivation of such redundant genes does not jeopardize the individual’s reproductive success and has no effect on survival of the species. Genetic redundancy is the big surprise of modern biology. Because there is no association between redundant genes and genetic duplications, and because redundant genes do not mutate faster than essential genes, redundancy therefore brings down more than one pillar of contemporary evolutionary thinking...

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1 posted on 11/15/2009 6:52:25 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Speaking of redundancy; don’t you get tired of spreading lies?


2 posted on 11/15/2009 6:53:49 PM PST by stormer
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

A bit technical, but well worth the read...Ping!!!


3 posted on 11/15/2009 6:54:05 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: stormer

Care to point out the specific “lies” that you claim to have uncovered in this paper?


4 posted on 11/15/2009 6:56:46 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I wasn’t even addressing those - I was talking about yours.


5 posted on 11/15/2009 7:04:02 PM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts

the lies are anything the worshippers of humanism say they are.....


6 posted on 11/15/2009 7:04:16 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: GodGunsGuts
‘lies’ is the best rebuttal some people can come up with.

Go figure.
7 posted on 11/15/2009 7:04:25 PM PST by Fichori ('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
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To: stormer

Same question, where are these lies that I have supposedly told? I suggest you come up with something quick, otherwise everybody is going to think that it is you who are the liar.


8 posted on 11/15/2009 7:07:52 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Fichori
And that's their best argument...it's all downhill from there!!!
9 posted on 11/15/2009 7:08:58 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: raygunfan

It’s fascinating listening to evo-atheists who don’t even believe there is such a thing as objective truth call everybody they disagree with liars!


10 posted on 11/15/2009 7:11:20 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Bump!


11 posted on 11/15/2009 7:12:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: stormer

“Speaking of redundancy; don’t you get tired of spreading lies?”

And how would YOU or HE know that they were lies?


12 posted on 11/15/2009 7:13:01 PM PST by babygene
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To: stormer

Pop goes the weasel again!

That’s all you’ve ever got; childish goads.


13 posted on 11/15/2009 7:15:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: stormer

Forgot this

You are about the stupidest person I have come across...


14 posted on 11/15/2009 7:16:25 PM PST by babygene
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To: GodGunsGuts

15 posted on 11/15/2009 7:36:06 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer
Speaking of redundancy; don’t you get tired of spreading lies?

Sniff SNIFF... You smell like a troll. Show some intelligence refute the argument instead of accusing people of lying.

16 posted on 11/15/2009 7:37:24 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
“...where are these lies that I have supposedly told?”

How about we start with your idiotic contention (endlessly restated) that the Earth is 6,000 years old? Or how about how Catholics or others of faith that do not agree with that stupidity should not be regarded as Christian because they fail to adhere to your juvenile and hopelessly ignorant views? Hmmm?

17 posted on 11/15/2009 7:43:37 PM PST by stormer
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To: ColdSteelTalon
Go sniff yourself and read post 17. Do you think that Catholics or others who do not believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old are GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL?
18 posted on 11/15/2009 7:45:47 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

In what post does the original poster state that? Do you bother quoting when you post? That statement sure is not in the original post.


19 posted on 11/15/2009 7:50:48 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 11/15/2009 7:50:58 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Just ask him!


21 posted on 11/15/2009 7:57:28 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

==How about we start with your idiotic contention (endlessly restated) that the Earth is 6,000 years old?

First, I usually say 6-10,000 years old. Second, I really believe it, so how can it be a lie?

==Or how about how Catholics or others of faith that do not agree with that stupidity should not be regarded as Christian because they fail to adhere to your juvenile and hopelessly ignorant views?

Where have I ever said this? Link please.

PS Just the other day, one of your fellow evo-atheists tried to accuse me of the same thing, and wouldn’t you know it, I didn’t have to lift a finger to defend myself because a number of Catholics who I had never heard of before said they had been following my threads, and completely defended me against the charge. I must say, it was a very satisfying experience indeed :o)


22 posted on 11/15/2009 8:03:58 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdSteelTalon

See #22


23 posted on 11/15/2009 8:06:17 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Are Catholics Christian?


24 posted on 11/15/2009 8:06:37 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

I don’t believe anybody is automatically a Christian, no matter what church they belong to. If you genuinely accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you are a Christian. If you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, no church can save you.


25 posted on 11/15/2009 8:12:18 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Does accepting Jesus mean adopting a literalistic view of the Bible?
26 posted on 11/15/2009 8:16:34 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

At a very minimum, you have to believe what the Bible says about the person of Jesus Christ...His life, His death, His ressurection, that He is the second person in the Trinity, and that He has the power to forgive your sins.


27 posted on 11/15/2009 8:21:32 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s great to watch a hate-filled troll stewing in his juices!


28 posted on 11/15/2009 8:24:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

It seems all they have is “you’re a liar” and “you think Catholics aren’t Chrisitians”...yada, yada, yada.


29 posted on 11/15/2009 8:26:59 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
So a person who doesn’t believe the universe was created in 6 days and does believe in evolution can be a Christian?
30 posted on 11/15/2009 8:28:02 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

Yep.


31 posted on 11/15/2009 8:28:38 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: stormer
So people do believe the universe was created in 6 days and don't believe in evolution could be wrong?
32 posted on 11/15/2009 8:34:39 PM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts
32 was actually to you...
33 posted on 11/15/2009 8:37:49 PM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts
Beep!

How much long will the insult binge continue, I wonder.

34 posted on 11/15/2009 8:42:40 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

I find that the more the evos are threatened by creation science, the longer the insults last.


35 posted on 11/15/2009 8:46:25 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: stormer

Not according to the Bible. But what does that have to do with the question of salvation?


36 posted on 11/15/2009 8:48:27 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

So the Pope is damned?


37 posted on 11/15/2009 8:49:22 PM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts
Second, I really believe it, so how can it be a lie?

3. an inaccurate or false statement.

38 posted on 11/15/2009 8:51:00 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: stormer

Why do you think the Pope is damned?


39 posted on 11/15/2009 8:52:16 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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"At a very minimum, you have to believe what the Bible says about the person of Jesus Christ...His life, His death, His ressurection, that He is the second person in the Trinity, and that He has the power to forgive your sins."

I am the first one to point out when GGG deviates from the truth, but as a Catholic I can say that he has never called into question the faith or legitimacy of Catholics or the Catholic Church. He only disagrees with about 10% of Catholic dogma and adheres to the old Catholic view of Young Earth creation.

40 posted on 11/15/2009 9:05:35 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts
Great posts. I am so glad it smokes out the left wing fakes on Free Republic. If your posts did not strike at their fanatical left wing nerves they would not become so emotional as they repeat the exact same liberal attacks you would find posted by other far left fanatics at the radical left web sites.

The hardcore evolutionist liberals hiding out on Free Republic have an easy job, they just cut and paste the loads of garbage they find written by true lunatic leftists at the Daily Kos and HuffPo.

Keep posting good articles the leftist statists want to have censored.

41 posted on 11/15/2009 9:15:01 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: stormer
Speaking of redundancy; don’t you get tired of spreading lies?

I wonder why, instead of commenting on the article, you immediately resort to name calling. Doesn't do much for your argument.

42 posted on 11/15/2009 9:20:37 PM PST by mtg
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To: Old Landmarks

You know, OL...I think you hit the nail right on the head!


43 posted on 11/15/2009 9:26:21 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

If the evidence in the cited argument is to be believed it slows evolution down and pushes back the dawn of life. If the mutation rate is less frequent the rate of change is slowed the process of evolution is slowed. It does not establish that evolution cannot exist.


44 posted on 11/15/2009 9:42:53 PM PST by Natural Law
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You've handled yourself well on this thread. Just thought I'd let you know that. Anyone who has ever spent a considerable amount of time debating this subject, knows how easy it is to become addicted to the confrontation, which may be good for the ego, but quite possibly a detriment to the principles you represent

You displayed impressive, and knowledgeable restraint. Good job.

45 posted on 11/15/2009 9:43:21 PM PST by csense
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To: stormer; GodGunsGuts
Are Catholics Christian?

Just as much as Jews.

46 posted on 11/15/2009 9:48:42 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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So a person who doesn’t believe the universe was created in 6 days and does believe in evolution can be a Christian?

Why do you have to have someone else's approval to believe you are a Christian?

47 posted on 11/15/2009 9:51:02 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

I don’t believe I am a Christian - if fact I’m quite I am not (and profoundly content in that fact, I might add).


48 posted on 11/15/2009 10:20:48 PM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts

This “journal” has a biased agenda, and is not a creditable scientific publication. Real science does not operate this way.

Journal of Creation is dedicated to upholding the authority of the 66 books of the Bible, especially in the area of origins. All our editors adhere to the Creation Ministries International (CMI) Statement of Faith and most papers will be designed to support this. Rarely, other papers may be accepted for publication on merit so that certain issues can be clarified. The views expressed in the papers are those of the authors and not necessarily those of CMI.

http://creation.com/journal-of-creation-writing-guidelines

STATEMENT OF FAITH

(See also “Good News ”)

(A) PRIORITIES

1. The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer and Judge.

2. The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

(B) BASICS

1. The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority, not only in all matters of faith and conduct, but in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.

2. The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.

3. The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.

4. The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since Creation.

5. The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.

6. The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.

7. Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to, and as a direct consequence of, man’s sin.

(C) THEOLOGY

1. The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

2. All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice) and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.

3. Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, and His complete and bodily Resurrection from the dead.

4. The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

5. The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.

6. Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.

7. All things necessary for our salvation are set down in Scripture.

8. Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.

9. Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to Heaven, is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in like manner to this Earth as Judge of the living and the dead.

10. Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and man.

11. Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.

(D) GENERAL
The following are held by members of the Boards (Directors) of Creation Ministries International to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:

1. Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.

2. The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.

3. The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.

4. The ‘gap’ theory has no basis in Scripture. Nor has the day-age idea (so-called ‘progressive creation’), or the Framework Hypothesis or theistic evolution.

5. The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious’, is rejected.

6. By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

http://creation.com/about-us


49 posted on 11/16/2009 5:04:21 AM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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technical is good. thx for posting. interesting read.
50 posted on 11/16/2009 5:18:23 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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