H1N1 "super flu" plague in Ukraine sparks concern, conspiracy theories about origins

Natural News ^ | 11-16-09 | Mike Adams

[mlizzy]

(NaturalNews) Here's what we know with some degree of certainty about the H1N1 virus in Ukraine right now: nearly 300 people have died from the viral strain, and over 65,000 people have been hospitalized (the actual numbers are increasing by the hour). The virus appears to be either a highly aggressive mutation of the globally-circulating H1N1 strain, or a combination of three different influenza strains now circulating in Ukraine. Some observers suspect this new "super flu" might be labeled viral hemorrhagic pneumonia (meaning it destroys lung tissue until your lungs bleed so much that you drown in your own fluid), but that has not been confirmed by any official sources we're aware of.

Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has issued emergency quarantine orders for nine of the country's regions and ordered the deployment of mobile military hospitals. He announced that the nation had been simultaneously hit with two different seasonal flu strains plus H1N1 -- and then hinted that all three might have recombined into the deadly new Ukrainian super flu.

[mlizzy]

I'm searching the house ... searching ... gotta find my spray vitamin d!

[DM1]

if this is a mutation and has components of seasonal and H1N1 does this mean that if you had the seasonal vaccine and/or the H1N1 vaccine that you would have partial immunity to this thing?

[Haiku Guy]

Ruh roh...

[WayneS]

“Super-Flu”

Steven King wrote a book about a “Super Flu” something like 30 years ago. It sold pretty well if I remember correctly.

[AirForceMom]

The Stand....really good read years ago, now the thought of it actually happening....geeze.

[Migraine]

This sounds like KGB with plausible deniability.

[WayneS]

/tin foil hat on

No, it does not. The mutation came about because of manipulation of the virus during vaccine development. Those who got the vaccine will be the FIRST to die from the "Super-Flu".

/tin foil hat off

;-)

[DM1]

yeah no kidding
Putin getting medieval on the Ukraine

[mlizzy]

if this is a mutation and has components of seasonal and H1N1 does this mean that if you had the seasonal vaccine and/or the H1N1 vaccine that you would have partial immunity to this thing?

It's a long post, but the author feels the following is true:

"Depending on the degree of genetic changes, there is a possibility that some level of immunity may be conferred to people who already have H1N1 antibodies, but here's the dirty little secret the vaccine industry doesn't want you to know: People who built their own natural immunity to H1N1 through exposure rather than vaccines have a much greater likelihood of exhibiting natural immunity to genetic variations of H1N1. In other words, people who overcame H1N1 exposure on their own, without being vaccinated, have a far stronger defense against H1N1 variations that might appear" --Mike Adams.

[mkjessup]

**PING** to RandallFlagg!

Isn’t this where you step in? lol

[Lx]

I am just coming off of this. I highly recommend Tamiflu!. You have to take it from 12 to 48 hours of onset of symptoms.

My Dr's receptionist argued with me that they did not have the vaccine? for the swine flu or the H1N1 flu. I told her it wasn't a vaccine. Since she was a moron, I just had her get me into see the Doctor ASAP.

I saw him early the next day. 1 minute into my symptoms, he mentions Tamiflu. Finally!!! The stuff works miracles although I am still sneezing and coughing up disgusting things which mean I'm still contagious but I feel better. Now I supposedly have immunity from H1N1, woo hoo!!!!!

Get Tamiflu, it's great stuff. I'm going to ask if I can get a stockpile for it! It's only ten caps you take in the morning and evening.

[stainlessbanner]

Debunked here [FR].... big grain of salt folks - thank you Dr. Kopp

[tatsinfla]

the stand....it was a great read....movie was so so...

[DM1]

thanks

[The_Victor]

Vlad the Putin wouldn’t introduce a genetically engineered virus to the Ukraine in order to undermine the civil authority so that Russia could step in to restore order, now would he?

[Lx]

Might not be a bad idea to buy some stock in Roche. I need to see if they're the patent holder and the only one allowed to make it.

Hmmmm, from Wiki: A quick visit to the page on the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) web site that contains the "Patent Assignment Abstract of Title" for Patent #5763483 (for oseltamivir) clearly shows that Gilead Sciences, Inc., located at 353 Lakeside Drive, Foster City, California 94404, is the patent holder, having been assigned it by the five named researchers who invented this particular "carbocyclic compound."

I can't find if Roche is the sole license holder but it appears they are since governments are demanding the right to make it do to the 'pandemic'. Scary article:

http://www.genengnews.com/articles/chitem.aspx?aid=1255&chid=0

OK, maybe this would save millions of lives (I thought all it did was relieve symptoms but what do I know?) but it seems to me to set a precedent for this kind of looting.

[Lx]

Spelling error: do=due.

[Kartographer]

Captain Trips is alive and well and living in the Ukraine.
Oh where, oh where are thou Randall? Is that your boot heels I hear clocking or is it the dieing heartbeat of a free west?

[ex-Texan]

Obama's Dems want to make Vitamin D illegal. Under the new CODEX rules all food supplements and vitamins will be prohibited. All crops and farms will come directly under federal control. Even home gardens. All 'Natural Foods' will be illegal. Growing crops organically will be llegal. Controlled by another 'Czar' who has deep links to Monsanto and George Soros.

Hundreds of thousands of people will be thrown out of work by the Food Safety Act. Do you own FR search using terms like 'codex.' I'm too too old and too tired to keep posting the same dire warnings.

Just like my warnings about hyper-inflated real estate, greedy mortgage gangsters, credit card thievery, inflated stock market and credit bubbles and more -- way back in 2005 and earlier: Nobody listened.

Nobody listens or cares until it is too late. Check my freeper page if you really want to learn more.

Or do nothing and just play like kiddies on the Internet, as usual . . .

[DvdMom]

thanks , for the ping :)

[FromLori]

I have to take Vitamin D too in large doses I have a severe medical deficiency just great. I didn’t even know you could search using terms like codes so thanks for the tips.

[ex-Texan]

Ok. Here it is for you

[FromLori]

Related

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/11/15/md-recants-his-support-of-vaccines/

[FromLori]

Thank you very much I now have it bookmarked :)

[mlizzy]

Debunked here [FR].... big grain of salt folks - thank you Dr. Kopp

Thanks for the information! I'm not familiar with Dr. Kopp, although he seems like a good Catholic man (I'll read some of his articles), but Mike Adams does not always throw up bunk. Much of what he says is the truth regarding taking care of yourself in a more holistic fashion. I agree that he could be more "polished," and some of his claims need to be further looked into -- I trust Dr. Mercola's views with more confidence.

Also Mike Adams has had my e-mail address for a VERY long time and I've not received anything negative in that regard, however, it's nice to have a heads-up on that. I've written Mike Adams with the post from Dr. Kopp, so that Mike can address the complaint. I look forward to hearing what he has to say.

[alloysteel]

This sounds like KGB with plausible deniability.

Enter the People's Liberation Army of China. This is probably a multi-pronged attempt to subjugate several of the more fractious elements within the hegemony of both countries.

Cheaper than tanks, and the potential belligerence is diluted quickly as resources are diverted from protection of borders to scrambling to contain a growing epidemic.

[onedoug]

Tamiflu ping

[appalachian_dweller]

excellent homepage!

[The Comedian]

Steven King wrote a book about a “Super Flu” something like 30 years ago.

"The Stand". Also an excellent screen treatment starring Gary Sinise...

Bio-weapon escapes and kills off 99% of humanity.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[stainlessbanner]

I've read that one a few times. Interesting comments from this 2008 King interview (salon)

"If I were to write "The Stand" today, I might very well have the bug released by suicide bombers. It would have been some kind of act of ultimate terrorism instead of an accident."

"So we're talking pretty much about communism or socialism, all the things that the good Christian Republicans in the House of Representatives today are railing about in light of this bailout bill. Of course, Christ never preached give away everything to Wall Street, so they might have a point."

[RummyChick]

scroll down to the bit about Baxter

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140492/Million-hit-by-plague-worse-than-swine-flu-

[AliVeritas]

At least. Problem is, the lungs are black... sounds like someone wanted to wipe out ‘useless eaters’ using an old friend from 1918. Too many walls inbetween that and Swine flu... unless theres a lab handy.

BTW, what’s Baxter screwed up lately?

The WHO and CDC are not releasing the genetic and other info.

White Horse time.

[Smokin' Joe]

Ping...

Also, keep up with other H1N1 update stories on this thread: H1N1 flu victim collapsed on way to hospital [Latest H1N1 updates downthread] thanks to DvdMom and others.

[Smokin' Joe]

Ping...

Also, keep up with other H1N1 update stories on this thread: H1N1 flu victim collapsed on way to hospital [Latest H1N1 updates downthread] thanks to DvdMom and others.

[little jeremiah]

A few of us listened, ex-Texan, a few of us did.

The vicious nay-sayers who were nasty, underhanded, and did I say really, really vicious? And wrong???? I wonder if any of them every aplogized and admitted that you were right and they were wrong...

[little jeremiah]

Brian Kopp is a longtime Freeper and I trust him. He does his research, and he’s been looking into pandemic stuff for a long time. Mike Adams is a hustler and I cannot stand Mercola, he’s another self-promoter and for a long time - at least up until recently - he was saying that swine flu aka H1N1 was nothing but a big gov/big pharma “hype”.

In my opnion Mercola is an a**hole. I’ve read enough of his stuff. And I’m an herbalist and have clients and make my own formulas so I’m not against natural therapies at all. I just do not like lying self-promoting hucksters.

[LibertyRocks]

Thanks for pulling that quote out of the article.

I have held out belief that my family did suffer from H1N1 back in April (before testing started), and from hearing the report that cats can get this as well confirmed my “self-diagnosis” (our cat became sick the same day as my husband and four children, and I got VERY sick after “nursing” him back to health only to have our cat die due to leukemia we didn’t know he had four days later... We all recovered - me receiving the worst part as I got either a secondary infection, or bronchitis).

I had also held out hope that after suffering from this flu we have a natural immunity. I pray and hope to God this is true.

As for this “Super-Flu” in the Ukraine — honestly, it was only a matter of time. Whether this was engineered, or a “natural occurrence” doesn’t much matter — however, if it WAS engineered then it could be much, MUCH worse than what “Mother Nature” could dole out. That’s why I firmly believe there are just some things scientists would be better off leaving the heck alone (especially some of their forays into biological weapons).

[wildandcrazyrussian]

You mean like digging up victims of the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic so they could “study” the flu virus?

[DvdMom]

This medical doctor and her children did get the swine flu twice .

Also a different researcher found 7 different sequences of H1N1 which means it might have mutated which would explain why people have gotten the swine flut twice .

Links Are Below :

http://dailymail.com/News/200911041062
Thursday November 5, 2009

Area doctor says she tested positive for H1N1 twice

by Zack Harold
Daily Mail staff

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The Comments Below are by Pixie Site Admin at PFI ( Pandemic Flu Information Forum ) about the H1N1 Virus mutating ...

Pixie
Site Admin

Joined: 30 Nov 2006
Posts: 28606
Location: CT, USA
Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:23 am Post subject:

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Time to dust off the old community mitigation guidelines.

We’ve all heard CDC officials state, from the beginning, that this novel pandemic virus is “stable” and has “not mutated.” It appears that while they were making those statements, they did indeed know that it already had changed, that pandemic H1N1 even in the first month after its initial detection had branched into several distinct clades.

All seven clades discussed in the PLoS paper had been detected by May 2, 2009. (”Stable” my eye..)

From the PLoS paper: http://knol.google.com/k/the-early-diversification-of-influenza-a-h1n1pdm?collectionId=28qm4w0q65e4w.1&position=1#
Quote:
Clade 2 also contains isolates from among the earliest known cases of H1N1pdm in Mexico and California (e.g., A/Mexico/4108/2009, collected April 2, 2009). The TMRCA of clade 2 suggests it emerged around the same time as clade 1 (February 14 – March 12, 2009, 95% HPD) and circulated for ~3 – 6 weeks prior to detection (Fig. 3). [/b] In contrast to clade 1, clade 2 disseminated widely to Canada, France, Germany, China, and to multiple US states: Indiana, Kansas, Maryland, New York, Washington, and Wisconsin (Fig. 2).

Quote:
Clade 3 was detected by surveillance several weeks after clades 1 and 2 (A/Arizona/01/2009, collected April 22, 2009). However, the TMRCA (February 21 – March 19, 2009, 95% HPD) suggests that clade 3 emerged at a similar time as clades 1 and 2, and only was detected later. Clade 3 is the most geographically diverse, containing isolates from Norway, France, England, Germany, Puerto Rico, China, Japan, Canada, Mexico, and the US states of New York, Wisconsin, and Arizona (Fig. 2). Although no amino acid changes have been fixed among all clade 3 isolates, at least 13 different amino acid changes were observed among clusters of isolates contained within this clade (data not shown).

Quote:
Clade 4 is the only clade in this study that contains isolates from only one region: all 11 isolates are from East Asia. Clade 4 is characterized by fixed amino acid changes in the PB2 (V649I), PB1 (I667T), NP (V100I), and NA (V106I), and NS2 (E63K) (Table 1). Clade 4 was the last to be detected in this study, as the first isolate (A/Korea/01/2009) was not identified until May 2, 2009. However, the TMRCA of clade 4 (March 5 – April 18, 2009, 95% HPD) suggests that clade 4 circulated for ~2 – 7 weeks prior to detection, and likely in non-Asian countries as well (Fig. 3).

Quote:
Clade 5 is the second largest clade identified here, due primarily to the fact that nearly 88% (71/81) of isolates collected from Wisconsin belong to this clade (Fig. 2). More than 90% (71/77) of isolates in clade 5 were collected from Wisconsin, where the clade was first detected (April 28, 2009) and appears to have proliferated rapidly (Table S1). Clade 5 also was identified several weeks later in Canada, China, and Japan (Fig. 2).

Quote:
Clade 6 is geographically diverse, given its size in this study (13 isolates) and relatively late TMRCA, ranging from April 4 – April 20, 2009 (95% HPD), which is ~1 – 3 weeks prior to detection (Fig. 3). Following the collection of the first clade 6 isolates on April 28, 2009 in the US, isolates were collected from Canada, China, Italy, and Japan (Fig. 2).

Quote:
Clade 7 is the largest identified in this study, representing more than one-third of all isolates (35.2%, 102/290) (Table S1). Almost 83% (67/81) of isolates from New York are members of clade 7. Clade 7 also contains isolates from Canada, China, Japan, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Russia, and the US states of California, Maryland, Massachusetts, Ohio, and Wisconsin (Fig. 2). Approximately 40% of the isolates collected from Europe and Asia are members of clade 7 (Fig. 2). Clade 7 is characterized by fixed amino acid changes in the NP (V100I) and NA (V106I and N248D) that are also found in clades 5 and 6, as well as by unique amino acid changes in the HA (S206T) and NS1 (I123V) (Table 1). Clade 7 was first detected April 24, 2009..

How many clades of pandemic H1N1 now exist today, six and a half months after Clade 7 was detected, is anyone’s guess I suppose.

:

http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1

[mlizzy]

Brian Kopp is a longtime Freeper and I trust him. He does his research, and he’s been looking into pandemic stuff for a long time. Mike Adams is a hustler and I cannot stand Mercola, he’s another self-promoter and for a long time - at least up until recently - he was saying that swine flu aka H1N1 was nothing but a big gov/big pharma “hype”. In my opnion Mercola is an a**hole. I’ve read enough of his stuff. And I’m an herbalist and have clients and make my own formulas so I’m not against natural therapies at all. I just do not like lying self-promoting hucksters.

Mercola's site does look a little like World Net Daily's, however not with those annoying buried links, but he self promotes I would think because he no longer sees patients; the Web IS his office. My nutritionist that I pay ten bucks to see gives me a great deal of information that is all holistic, and he said he is behind Dr. Mercola's information although he thought his products were too high in price, but then sold me $200 worth of HIS products instead.:) I receive a few products from Mercola that I've used on and off for quite some time. They all benefit me; you have to do your homework as to what helps. Mercola gives a great deal of free info on his site as well, and continually touts eating good clean (organic if possible) veges and some fruit, purified water, etc.

Do you think Big Pharma does its job well and do you think Swine Flu is a pandemic? Some of us have been sick over at our house and have taken care of it through natural means. Frankincense and Myrrh might be two of the therapeutic essential oils that we've used that Dr. Kopp would give consideration to as to being beneficial (considering his strong faith). He's already received the "gold" part through his practice (what a *beautiful* article -- my DH writes articles of this nature as well, wonderfully Catholic and, yes, a bit sappy -- whenever his pen hits paper.)

Other articles by Dr. Kopp.

P.S. Calling Dr. Mercola an a**hole on a public forum probably wouldn't do much for your business as an herbalist if you were using your real name.

[Lx]

WELL! There goes my victory dance...

[little jeremiah]

I know my words were a bit harsh; I just have this loathing of hucksters and self-promoters; ESPECIALLY when they lie.

People were sending me Mercola articles for months in which he claimed that the flu pandemic was a “hype” or “hoax” etc. Maybe he’s changed his tune now.

My herbal business is very small - I deal with clients one at a time, usually via email and phone as I live in a remote location. It is solely word of mouth, I actually “make” very little money as I charge nothing for my extensive consultations, and charge a small percentage above wholesale for my formulas; at most I pay for all the herbs and oils I purchase. I do it as a service to God and humanity.

I have been studying in depth pandemic stuff since at least 2005, when I first heard about H5N1, and spend many hours a week - too many - reading every scrap I can, to learn more, learn best how to treat it, and so on.

Another factor of my dislike of Mercola is the prices he charges. I have nothing against people earning a living and making a profit. But I know for a fact that he charges a very high price for what he sells; I make my own tinctures and herb formulas and the price I pay - albeit wholesale - is more than what a large scale producer will pay. And he’s selling directly to the public, which makes his profit more than if he was marketing in stores.

I hold big pharma in absolute abhorrance, and also consider that this pandemic may very well become at least as bad as the 1918 one. Depending on what’s happened in Ukraine, the WHO and CDC are hiding the sequences, it’s obvious there have been changes in teh virus, just not “big” ones (according to them!) but “small” changes can have huge effects in transmissibility and virulence, as well as Tamiflu resistence.

I got what is most likely swine flu at the end of October - of course, no test, but in consultation with another herbalist who also understands genetics, was certain I had it. I treated it solely with herbs and essential oils. I have asthma, and I think without the herbs etc it would have been much worse. I gained valuable experience in learning how to treat it. Of course, if it gets more virulent avoiding infection will be even more imperative.

Even the best natural methods in the world cannot cure everything; the world is meant to be a place of learning, and some miseries are built in.

[mlizzy]

Thanks for your reply. Your herb business sounds interesting. I used to get herbs made by a Korean doctor. That's when I started showing some serious repair of my health. Anyway, I'm curious as to which oils you used (herbs too) to battle the flu. We used oregano, and thieves from YoungLiving as well as peppermint, R.C. (eucalyptus blend), and frankincense/myrrh. The oil I find that has helped me in a profound way (not necessarily to do with the flu) is melissa oil. Also helichrysum for my hearing ... I've actually regained a little bit of it.

As far as swine flu being a hoax, you can never say that for certain as you say -- but Dr. Mercola doesn't shy away from his opinion, and I understand his viewpoint -- but since I'd never take the vaccine myself, it's always good to get in the best shape possible to fight anything that might be on the way and he gives good advice in my opinion on that. Sorry about your asthma. My husband was told he would never be able to live without chemicals for the condition, so he started running instead and hasn't stopped since (some 30+ years ago), and he was able to throw his drugs away almost immediately.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for your reply - I am putting together a Flu Protocol and will be posting it soon. Not sure where, though. It is not all-inclusive, just my own perspective from experience and my own niche of understanding, which is primarily Ayurvedic. In it will be described what herbs and oils I used and recommend to clients. Since many of my formulas (most) are ones I make myself, they may be hard for people to duplicate (I have no problem sharing my formulas) but it means purchasing a lot of herbs to mix.

Here is a place that does have very good formulas ready made, not necessarily the exact herbs I use but in the herb world, many herbs do many things. I know the owner and herbalist and IMO he is extremely reputable and knowledgeable.

http://lifewurx.com/

[Dr. Brian Kopp]

Frankincense and Myrrh might be two of the therapeutic essential oils that we've used that Dr. Kopp would give consideration to as to being beneficial

Ironically, I commented about Boswellia Sacra on this thread at FluTrackers back in July.

[mlizzy]

Frankincense and Myrrh might be two of the therapeutic essential oils that we've used that Dr. Kopp would give consideration to as to being beneficial
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Ironically, I commented about Boswellia Sacra on this thread at FluTrackers back in July.

Whoa, lots of "doctor" words in that, Dr. Kopp, but I *did* understand "Boswellia Reduces Inflammation," and thank you for leading me to your post. We have used Frankincense and Myrrh amongst several other essential oils with great satisfaction. The one I think is outstanding as a nerve tonic is Melissa oil. I'm also using Helichrysum for hearing loss, and I just finished going out on a walk with my son and our dogs, and I was able to understand everything my son said to me. This was the *first* time that has happened in maybe a decade. Same thing happened when I went out for dinner with my daughter a couple weeks ago, so I'm quite enthused about the essential oils and can't believe I've gone so long without knowing how much help they could provide.

[cricket]

May have already been here but in case not. . .

Where is Professor Joseph Moshe?

Bell Tolling for Swine Flu (subtitled and full transcript at bottom of link, if preferred)