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MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'....
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140492/Million-hit-by-plague-worse-than-swine-flu- ^ | November 15th, 2009

Posted on 11/16/2009 11:51:59 AM PST by TaraP

A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.

A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.

President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.

President Yushchenko said: “People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely inconceivable in the 21st Century.”

In a TV interview, the President added: “Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine – two seasonal flus and the Californian flu

“Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has been touring hospitals where victims are being treated and presidential elections in January could be cancelled .

Four men and one woman have died from the flu in Lviv, said emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych. Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with two others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.

“We have sent the analyses to Kiev. We don’t believe it’s H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baxter; hit; million; moshe; plague; sourcetitlenoturl; swineflu; ukraine; worse
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1 posted on 11/16/2009 11:52:00 AM PST by TaraP
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To: Alamo-Girl; airborne; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; autumnraine; ..

Ping friends..


2 posted on 11/16/2009 11:53:13 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: TaraP
The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected

189 out of a million...what is that like .02% or something?

3 posted on 11/16/2009 11:56:06 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: TaraP

“VIROLOGISTS (non commoners and WHO) conclude that this combination of infections MAY (hopefully will) produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”
Looks like they may have finally gotten it right.


4 posted on 11/16/2009 11:57:38 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Leaders who refuse to lead will be lead by the people)
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To: TaraP
“The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.”

If this is correct, isn't 189 out of 1,000,000 a pretty low death rate? Less than 0.02%?

Seasonal flu is 0.1% death rate, I think. That would be 1000 people out of 1,000,000.

5 posted on 11/16/2009 11:58:49 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: DouglasKC

They proably won’t want to instill *panic* bad enough people are freaking out over the 2012 thingy, imagine if they say thousands are dying people will go bonkers on the planet.


6 posted on 11/16/2009 11:59:02 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: TaraP
the Californian flu

Is that anything like the Mexican swine flu??

7 posted on 11/16/2009 11:59:23 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: DouglasKC

YOu are exactly right. The mortality is very, very low.


8 posted on 11/16/2009 12:00:20 PM PST by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: TaraP

189 dead are surely tragic for their families but hardly anything to panic about.


9 posted on 11/16/2009 12:02:09 PM PST by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: muleskinner; DouglasKC

Maybe this is one reason..

Putin in new Ukraine gas warning......

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has said Ukraine might be having problems paying for gas, raising new concerns over European supplies.

Mr Putin said the European Union had not yet given Ukraine the money it had promised to help provide stable supplies of Russian gas to Europe.

He also blamed Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko for blocking payment.

In January, many countries were left short of gas because of a payment dispute between Moscow and Kiev.

‘Blocking funds’

“It appears we are again having problems with payments for our energy supplies, which is extremely regrettable. The EU has still not provided Ukraine with the money it has promised for that purpose,” Mr Putin said.

“European leaders are referring us to the European Commission, while the European Commission leadership are evading discussing the issue with us.”

But Mr Putin said that despite the lack of funding from the EU, Ukraine still had plenty of cash to pay its gas bills.

Referring to the country’s large gold and foreign currency reserves, he said: “According to the Ukrainian Prime Minister [Yulia Tymoshenko], Yushchenko is obstructing normal co-operation between the central bank and the Ukrainian government and is blocking the transfer of relevant funds.”

In August, the EU and international lending institutions agreed a $1.7bn (£1bn at the time) loan deal to help secure European gas supplies.

This was specifically designed to ensure that the disruptions to supplies that occurred earlier in the year were not repeated.

Mr Putin’s comments have raised concerns that disruptions may happen again.

Russia provides about a quarter of the gas consumed in the EU and 80% of that is piped through Ukraine.


10 posted on 11/16/2009 12:02:19 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: ronnie raygun

They do seem very excited about this one. Almost optimistic.


11 posted on 11/16/2009 12:04:03 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: TaraP

Right, and 3 viruses just “combine”


12 posted on 11/16/2009 12:04:46 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: DouglasKC

Yes, 0.0189%. With 200 million people contracting this flu, we could expect about 37,800 deaths.

Of course that’s if this morality rate were entirely accurate and remained constant.

If they say at least one million contracted the disease, the number could be higher or even lower. 189 deaths is quite low.


13 posted on 11/16/2009 12:04:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Unseal the lock box containing every document pertaining to Obama's life, TODAY!)
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To: TaraP

“A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague”

....Well well, and old Abortion SHHS was pushing the multiple shot regime.
Yeah that sneezing in the arm thing is a real cure.
that’s why I don’t take this c***.
I’ve had 1 flu shot in my life ...and I got the f-ing flu.
Maybe the deaths in the U.S. are NOT from the flu but from the CURE.


14 posted on 11/16/2009 12:08:34 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; lainie; Brad's Gramma

The editors meant to say “Mexifornia Flu”


15 posted on 11/16/2009 12:09:42 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: TaraP

“”The virus is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza,” said Dr. Bachinksy, discounting earlier claims that the Ukraine H1N1 outbreak was related to pneumonic plague.”


16 posted on 11/16/2009 12:09:54 PM PST by yoe
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To: Marty62

British scientists testing Ukrainian ‘super flu’ that has killed 189 people

Read more:

British scientists are examining the strain of swine flu behind a deadly Ukrainian outbreak to see if the virus has mutated.

A total of 189 people have died and more than one million have been infected in the country.
Some doctors have likened the symptoms to those seen in many of the victims of the Spanish flu which caused millions of deaths world-wide after the World War One.
An unnamed doctor in western Ukraine told of the alarming effects of the virus.
He said: ‘We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1227984/British-scientists-testing-Ukrainian-super-flu-killed-189-people.html#ixzz0WzraW0Jf


17 posted on 11/16/2009 12:09:57 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: TaraP

“A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe...”

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What? Ever heard of travel in close quarters, also known as airplanes? Most ideal condition for this type of plague to spread from Europe to the rest of the world, rapidly.


18 posted on 11/16/2009 12:11:11 PM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: TaraP
To the people of the Ukraine on behalf of Randall Flagg I Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin send you greetings!

19 posted on 11/16/2009 12:12:44 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: 353FMG

Time to crap our collective pants and panic, panic I tell you PANIC!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHH!!!! WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!


20 posted on 11/16/2009 12:13:48 PM PST by GraceG
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To: TaraP
The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected,

I did some quick number crunching and it appears that the mortality rate is even less than seasonal flu, which is in the range of one death per 2,000 cases.

What gives?

21 posted on 11/16/2009 12:14:12 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: TaraP

Revelation 6 (New International Version)

7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.


22 posted on 11/16/2009 12:15:03 PM PST by Red Badger (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: TaraP

They say that trends repeat themselves every decade. Anyone remember the Y2K hysteria 10 years ago? Remember all the hype and hysteria? Does anything nowadays sound vaguely familiar?


23 posted on 11/16/2009 12:15:57 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: DouglasKC
189 out of a million...what is that like .02% or something?

If this were the run of the mill seasonal flu, there would something like 500 fatalities out of a million cases.

24 posted on 11/16/2009 12:17:25 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Republic of Texas

Well I am sure they will just keep mixing until they find a visus that will do the job they want done.


25 posted on 11/16/2009 12:17:27 PM PST by annieokie
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To: TaraP

I was just reading about plagues. this is not good.
Europe has suffered many devastating plagues.
I sure hope this is not another onset.
If we can’t produce enough for Swine Fu. How would the CDC etc even imagine coming up with something to fight a 3 flu mutation.
I get pnuemonia shots.


26 posted on 11/16/2009 12:23:06 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: TaraP

27 posted on 11/16/2009 12:27:19 PM PST by gura (R-MO)
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To: TaraP
Swine Flu Wars: Baxter's Ukraine Bio-Weapon Exposed

I'm just posting the link. Draw your own conclusions.

28 posted on 11/16/2009 12:30:38 PM PST by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else!)
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To: FReepaholic

Madagascar just closed it’s shipyards.


29 posted on 11/16/2009 12:32:22 PM PST by gura (R-MO)
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To: TaraP

In other news an ustoppable comuter glitch will shutdown global phone, electric, and water infrastructure, coming up in the year 2000.

That is...er...nevermind - same as this.


30 posted on 11/16/2009 12:32:49 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: TaraP

Panic time. Here we go again.


31 posted on 11/16/2009 12:33:24 PM PST by mom-7
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To: TaraP

Panic time. Here we go again.


32 posted on 11/16/2009 12:34:51 PM PST by mom-7
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To: TaraP

Quite a bit more detail in this post at ZeroHedge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/deadly-flu-spreads-across-ukraine


33 posted on 11/16/2009 12:48:21 PM PST by jsh3180
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To: TaraP

Thanks , for the ping :)

Did you see this yet ?

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11150903/Ukraine_299.html

Commentary

Ukraine Dead Increase to 299 - Still No Sequences
Recombinomics Commentary 22:55
November 15, 2009

1,364,939 Influenza/ARI

75,862 Hospitalized

299 Dead

The above numbers represent the latest update for the Ukraine Ministry of Health. Once again the number of dead increased by 17, but weekend numbers tend to be lower than weekday reports. The 199 dead are almost double the 155 reported week ago. The increased number of dead includes locations in central and eastern Ukraine. Last Sunday 13 of the 27 reporting regions had not exceeded the epidemic threshold, but today only 5 regions remained below the threshold (see map).

There has been more recent media coverage which have suggested that the high number of fatal cases was linked to late treatment or a lack of Tamiflu. However, at least 6 of the fatalities were healthcare workers and most of the reported deaths were after the warning was issued and schools were closed down, suggesting that many of not most cases were not due to late treatment. The initial WHO report indicated the time between disease onset and hospitalization was 5-7 days, but the more recent report from Ukraine cited a 3-7 day lag, which again suggested that many die in spite of awareness, modest time differentials between symptoms and hospitalization and appropriate treatment.

Moreover, 90 of the initial cases were describe as have a hemorrhagic component, which again raises concerns about small genetic changes, especially in the receptor binding domain. Answers to questions about such changes have been evasive, and the sequences have not been released by Mill Hill.

The sequence silence remains deafening, and erodes public confidence in agencies controlling these samples and sequences.


34 posted on 11/16/2009 1:04:21 PM PST by DvdMom (Let me know if you want to be added to the H1N1 ping list)
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To: TaraP
This guy in the Ukraine says it's not happening.
35 posted on 11/16/2009 1:17:13 PM PST by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else!)
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To: DouglasKC

How about less than 0.0002%.


36 posted on 11/16/2009 1:31:36 PM PST by DonnerT (I absolutely hate racists whose primary mission in life is trying to make me a racist.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Actually, they do. If a person is infected with multiple strains of influenza, the different strains can swap genetic material and a strain with genetic material from 2 or more variants of influenza can form. It’s called recombination. This website is devoted to the study of recombination: http://www.recombinomics.com/. According to the news feed section at that site, the death toll is now at 315 in the Ukraine: http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html.


37 posted on 11/16/2009 1:31:37 PM PST by DrGunsforHands
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To: Mother Abigail

?

For those who were not here during the SARS “epidemic”, Mother Abigail led the internet sleuths in analyzing its origins and spread, and the policy implications.


38 posted on 11/16/2009 1:38:00 PM PST by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: TaraP

It’s like someone has sent the Four Horsemen of the Appocalypse bringing a list of tribulations: War of Conquest, Civil War, Famine, Disease, Unemployment, Inflation, False Prophets. Who is behind it all? Who is pulling the strings?


39 posted on 11/16/2009 2:04:55 PM PST by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: DouglasKC

1.8x10^(-4)%


40 posted on 11/16/2009 2:21:43 PM PST by benjibrowder (For Neda. May God bless those fighting for freedom.)
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To: TaraP

Thanks so much. Good to hear from you.


41 posted on 11/16/2009 3:54:40 PM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: TaraP

BIOPREPARAT mistake?

Just joking.

Hey, you there in the State Run Media, I’m talking to you.


42 posted on 11/16/2009 5:46:54 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: yoe

Except that parainfluenza is a bacterial infection, not a viral infection, and not uncommonly follows influenza, hence its name. This certainly would not be something new or novel.


43 posted on 11/16/2009 5:54:27 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Mom MD

what do you make of the comment in the comment section by
BY DAVID ROTHSCUM
“Has Baxter International released a biological weapon?”

About the Mossad Agent?


44 posted on 11/16/2009 6:06:25 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: FReepaholic

If he really threatened to blow up the White House..and really walked away to be sent back to Israel ..then yeah..he had to be some kind of agent!


45 posted on 11/16/2009 6:10:51 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: TaraP

Not to worry. This is merely the government’s idea of population control. It’s necessary, you see.... since the government doesn’t have enough money to take care of everyone (despite their lies about needing to care for everyone). So they’ll just cull the herd a bit and their problem will be solved (for a while). Regularly scheduled culling is necessary, of course.

Coming soon to an American neighborhood near you perhaps?


46 posted on 11/16/2009 6:48:45 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: TaraP

Not to worry. This is merely the government’s idea of population control. It’s necessary, you see.... since the government doesn’t have enough money to take care of everyone (despite their lies about needing to care for everyone). So they’ll just cull the herd a bit and their problem will be solved (for a while). Regularly scheduled culling is necessary, of course.

Coming soon to an American neighborhood near you perhaps?


47 posted on 11/16/2009 6:48:51 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: TaraP
A related article

Ukraine Advanced Bioweapon Outbreak Update by Tim Alexander Earl of Stirling

Snip from the article

There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009. We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.

We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.

further down in the article

We know that Baxter International Pharmaceuticals sent 72 kilos of human influenza H3N2 vaccine materials to 16 labs in European nations which contained live H5N1 Bird Flu viruses. We know that this was only discovered when a Czech lab tested the material on several ferrets (ferrets have a similar respiratory system to humans) and all of the ferrets died in short order. We know that Baxter claimed that this was human error. We also know that such a ‘human error’ is basically impossible with the containment protocols in place at Baxter and any other modern biolabs using Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) lab technology.

We know that in mid-August a Joseph Moshe, who is a Mossad biological warfare expert, called in to Dr. A. True Ott’s national radio talk show and reported that Baxter was getting ready to release a deadly plague from its Ukrainian lab and that he was shortly meeting with US Attorneys in Los Angles to give evidence about this. We know that shortly thereafter Moshe was apprehended by Federal agents and LA police and taken to the Israeli Consulate. We know that he was quickly flown to Israel and that no further word has come from him.

Information on Joseph Moshe

Joseph Moshe H1N1 Ukraine Plague Warning

Bill Deagle -- Camelot Radio Interview 08-18-09 Part 1/4

48 posted on 11/16/2009 7:25:38 PM PST by JesusBmyGod (Baruch ha'ba B'Shem Yahweh)
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To: TaraP

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 11/16/2009 8:40:19 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: TaraP
Natural mutation or helped along with some genetic modification in a lab?


50 posted on 11/16/2009 9:59:56 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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