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Potential for criminal behavior evident at age 3
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 11/16/09 | Rachael Myers Lowe

Posted on 11/16/2009 3:51:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Children who don't show normal fear responses to loud, unpleasant sounds at the age of 3 may be more likely to commit crimes as adults, according to a new study.

Yu Gao and colleagues in the United States and the United Kingdom compared results from a study of almost 1,800 children born in 1969 and 1970 on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius to criminal records of group members 20 years later.

At age 3, the children were tested to gauge their level of "fear conditioning," or fear of consequences. The idea is that children who associate unpleasant sounds or other unpleasant experiences with fear will be less likely to commit antisocial acts because they will link such experiences with punishments for those acts.

Researchers tested the 3-year-olds' responses to unpleasant noises using a lie detector. When they looked at any criminal records among the participants 20 years later, 137 of them (131 male, 6 female) had at least one criminal conviction.

Compared to almost 300 participants with no criminal records, those 137 participants had a much lower response to the noises at the age of 3.

The findings could link previous studies suggesting that psychopaths and children with behavioral problems at the age of 11 have similar abnormalities in a part of the brain called the amygdala. That structure is largely responsible for directing fear of consequences.

Because this study controlled for social factors such as parents' education, number of parents in the home, socioeconomic status, and family size, biology is the likely reason for the "blunted emotions" registered in some of the 3 year olds, study co-author, Dr. Adrian Raine of the University of York in England, told Reuters Health in a telephone interview.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: behavior; brain; criminal; evident; potential; psychology
for your consideration.

I suspect there would be an exception or two for the exceptionally ornery baby.

Looks like it's what passes for the cool as a cucumber type.

1 posted on 11/16/2009 3:51:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

What I would look for the most is whether or not the child is showing signs of being desensitized. It’s not always the kids who don’t show fear, some kids are stoics by their nature, for whatever reason. It’s the ones that seem addicted to getting a ‘fix.’


2 posted on 11/16/2009 3:54:22 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can we tax it


3 posted on 11/16/2009 3:55:36 PM PST by Flavius
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To: NormsRevenge; Daffynition; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; ...
Re: Potential for criminal behavior evident at age 3

Gadzooks! It was bound to happen... as I started drinking at six weeks when I discovered I was too short for basketball!

4 posted on 11/16/2009 3:55:40 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: NormsRevenge

Who are the lame brained pin headed idiots that write this stuff and what are they paid. I could do this job, just write junk science and get paid by the word..geeze


5 posted on 11/16/2009 3:57:11 PM PST by goat granny
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To: NormsRevenge
the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius to criminal records of group members 20 years later.

Can I be one of those that think this is pure bovine waste.

6 posted on 11/16/2009 4:01:40 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: org.whodat

I’ll put this one under ‘filler’ material. Reuters has to have folks write about something. lol


7 posted on 11/16/2009 4:03:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: goat granny

You cannot get a government education grant if you check the block that says do you have common sense. If you answer you have 5 dimes and six pennies, you are in.


8 posted on 11/16/2009 4:04:25 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Children who aren’t nurtured tend to be more withdrawn and therefore might respond with less emotion. This is a parental issue, not because a child is genetically predisposed to be a criminal. I’ve seen infants from abusive homes. It is very sad.


9 posted on 11/16/2009 4:08:02 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: NormsRevenge

There is some other background to explain why this is in error.

Normal human input and output tends to cluster around one of four types. This can be observed in adults.

The “Emotional” cluster of people deal with things happening around them on emotional terms and emotional opinions. Say, if someone drops a jar and it breaks on the ground behind them unexpectedly, they get one or more emotional interpretations of the event. Fear, guilt, anger, sadness, happiness, you name it.

The “Intellectual” cluster of people, in the same situation, do not act or interpret with emotion, but “Mr. Spock” like detachment, instead trying to intellectually examine the event to determine what has happened. There are far fewer of them than emotional people.

The “Physical” cluster of people are very athletically oriented, and their input and output are actions, not thoughts or feelings. Importantly, because they communicate with others with physical contact, instead of talking about their thoughts or feelings, emotional and intellectual people do not like them very much. Grabbing, hugging, pinching, whatever. Even though they can speak, this is how they communicate. The end result is that most of them feel like they live in a foreign country, where few speak their language.

And they also get put in prison a lot. However, if you drop a jar behind them, they are likely to catch it before it can hit the floor.

The fourth cluster of people are most commonly autistic. They deal with the world in an “Instinctual” manner, which as those who work with them a lot will say, is a form of communication, just difficult to read for most people.

So expecting a low noise to emotionally upset an infant, while it will identify the majority of emotional people, will miss the others. And because physically oriented people tend to get in trouble with the law in our society, it will seem to be linked with future criminal behavior.

Well, sort of. But it can also be linked with good athletes.


10 posted on 11/16/2009 4:13:50 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: NormsRevenge

“Spare the rod, spoil the child”

The desire of insecure parents to be “best friends” with their kids damns them to a life without an understanding of consequences and authority.


11 posted on 11/16/2009 4:15:37 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, I have observed some kids during my work with Parents As Teachers and I can tell you that I have seen a child that at age 3 I could already see he had sociopathic tendencies. In one hour long visit, this kid threw a blanket on top of his one year old sister and started punching her, a few minutes later he grabbed a wiffle ball bat and started attacking his mom’s dogs and his little sister. The whole time mom is sitting there letting this go on while I am trying to help the mom set boundaries and effective discipline, and not do anything to get myself fired. A few days later, there was a “suspicious” fire set in a wooded area behind this family’s house.
I’m sure we will be watching this kid on the news in a few years for being a serial killer.


12 posted on 11/16/2009 4:16:12 PM PST by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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To: NormsRevenge

One of my kids was like that. Spanked the crap out of him.

...no problem now.


13 posted on 11/16/2009 4:21:57 PM PST by BobL (Real Men don't use Tag Lines)
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To: RnMomof7
"Spare the rod, spoil the child"

Those instructions always seemed counterproductive to me.


14 posted on 11/16/2009 4:23:22 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: chae
Well, I have observed some kids during my work with Parents As Teachers and I can tell you that I have seen a child that at age 3 I could already see he had sociopathic tendencies.

I don't doubt it. This is hardly the only study to link early life characteristics to crime.

15 posted on 11/16/2009 4:32:47 PM PST by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: I see my hands
Those instructions always seemed counterproductive to me.

I hope that is truly past tense..

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24)

Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left [to himself] bringeth his mother to shame.

Hbr 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

16 posted on 11/16/2009 4:34:54 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: NormsRevenge

17 posted on 11/16/2009 4:37:25 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: RnMomof7
I'm not sure you got my little joke.

18 posted on 11/16/2009 4:37:35 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands

I guess not


19 posted on 11/16/2009 4:40:12 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: NormsRevenge

I have met a few three years old that I just wanted to.......

Lol, fill in the blanks.


20 posted on 11/16/2009 4:42:52 PM PST by Shyla (hank you for the heads up on that tho.)
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To: chae

Sociopaths are not misbehaving kids. They have something wrong in the head and it can be seen when they are children. I’ve seen them too, the most accurate and disturbing sign is to see them inflict pain on animals with a calm demeanor.

You can’t beat it out of them. They are usually intellegent and punishing them only makes them crafty. All you can to is identify them and lock them away if they become dangerous to others.

It’s sad.


21 posted on 11/16/2009 4:44:28 PM PST by dangerdoc
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To: NormsRevenge
...on the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius...

One of my ancestors was governor of Mauritius when it was a colony of France.

22 posted on 11/16/2009 4:49:31 PM PST by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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bookmark


23 posted on 11/16/2009 4:55:18 PM PST by ExGeeEye (P.U.M.A.--BC/BG!)
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To: BobL

One of my kids was like that. Spanked the crap out of him.

...no problem now.

Had a nephew or two like that including my Godson, he did a Minnesota NG tour and went back to being a peace officer and has a set of twins to boot.

His nickname was Creep. He took after his oldest brother whio followed his uncle into the Marines (or so I would have hoped not lol) and their cousin Goober.. nasty lil farts.. two words .. willow switches .. worked on me. ;-)


24 posted on 11/16/2009 5:04:15 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge

If this is right, then my daughter is destined to rob a bank. However, she is an honor student, an athlete, a musician, she volunteers in the community an is a very good girl. So those spankings must have helped. I told somebody if you don’t have your child under control by the time they enter school they are messed up for life. We got both of our children straight. (My son was born an angel.


25 posted on 11/16/2009 5:26:37 PM PST by brwnsuga (Not a Slave!)
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXW66o15e0&feature=related


26 posted on 11/16/2009 5:26:52 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
Shades of "Only a lad" by Oingo Boingo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXW66o15e0&feature=related

27 posted on 11/16/2009 5:28:02 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: org.whodat

good answer :O) probably true also


28 posted on 11/16/2009 5:28:11 PM PST by goat granny
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To: RnMomof7
“Spare the rod, spoil the child”

There has never been a criminal that was beaten as a child.

29 posted on 11/16/2009 5:41:15 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: NormsRevenge; All

Apparently most of you, judging by your comments, don’t realize what this is. This is another brick in the “we can arrest you for crimes you may commit” building. They are running several articles lately about how we should arrest people based on characteristics and not actual crimes. Just another way to arrest political enemies.


30 posted on 11/16/2009 5:57:43 PM PST by calex59
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To: NormsRevenge
A good primer article on psychopaths here, one of the most important things that nobody is talking about.
31 posted on 11/24/2009 8:22:30 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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