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Bigoted Religious Extremists [Guess which religion's bigotry Ft. Hood demonstrates]
Time ^ | 11-16-09

Posted on 11/16/2009 3:58:06 PM PST by SJackson

There are today several odious attempts by Jewish extremists, like this one by Martin Peretz and this one by La Pasionaria of the Neocons, to argue that the massacre perpetrated by Nidal Hasan was somehow a direct consequence of his Islamic beliefs as opposed to a direct consequence of his insanity. To be sure, extreme religious beliefs and violent insanity are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they tend to track--among fanatics of all religions. There was, for example, the lunatic Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, who opened fire on Muslims praying at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron in 1994, killing 24 and wounding more than 100. There was also the lunatic Jewish settler who assassinated Yitzak Rabin. I can't remember many Jews calling these effusions of violence as a natural consequence of devout Judaism. They were acts of psychopathy, as was Hasan's bloodbath.

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In the meantime, we should identify the notion that Hasan's act was somehow a consequence of his religious orthodoxy for what it is: anti-Islamic bigotry.

(Excerpt) Read more at swampland.blogs.time.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: joelklien; peretz

1 posted on 11/16/2009 3:58:08 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Hmmm. I’m sure Nidal would disagree vehemently, probably violently, with this puke.


2 posted on 11/16/2009 4:00:22 PM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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I confess, I think it was terrorism. Like the Seattle Jewish Center attack, the DC sniper, the LAX attack, I won't go on. After all, I'm a religious bigot.

The conclusion the pro-terrorist press is leading us to is that radical Islam is a defacto mental illness.

3 posted on 11/16/2009 4:00:43 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson
we should identify the notion that Hasan's act was somehow a consequence of his religious orthodoxy for what it is: anti-Islamic bigotry


4 posted on 11/16/2009 4:01:34 PM PST by Bobalu (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: SJackson

A Muslim commits a terrorist attack shouting religious Islamic cries and its the Jews who are the extremists.

Hitler ysh’’v would be proud.


5 posted on 11/16/2009 4:01:49 PM PST by Jeb21 (www.jewsagainstobama.com)
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To: SJackson
I learned my journalism in a building named for Britton Haden, co-founder of Time magazine with Henry Luce. Back then, half a century ago, I respected Time magazine. That has slipped over the years to a point where I spit on Time magazine for its journalistic incompetence, and tangible bigotry.

With its bleeding of ad pages, and bleeding of money, Time will not long survive. It will be a funeral with no mourners except those who have just lost their pension rights.

Congressman Billybob

Don't Tread On Me (9/12 photo and poster"

"ACLU Wants Terrorists to Beat the Rap"

6 posted on 11/16/2009 4:05:17 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.TheseAretheTimes.us)
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To: Jeb21

I’m beginning to understand why Jews feel persecuted.


7 posted on 11/16/2009 4:05:19 PM PST by lonestar (Obama and his czars have turned Bush's "mess" into a national crisis!)
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To: SJackson

“Nidal Hasan was somehow a direct consequence of his Islamic beliefs as opposed to a direct consequence of his insanity”

So, Joe Klein is now a licensed mental health professional and can assess the mental states of people he’s never met?

What a fartknocker.


8 posted on 11/16/2009 4:06:18 PM PST by DemforBush (Now officially 100% ex-Democrat.)
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To: SJackson

Some of those comments left are just delusional. “Yeah, all religions are alike. Quit picking on the Islamists!”

What a bunch of nuts.


9 posted on 11/16/2009 4:07:11 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Congressman Billybob; muawiyah; lonestar

Leaving aside that it’s Time, supposedly mainstream, don’t you love the fact that Klein paints Jews as right wing radicals, and Communists (La Pasionaria) in the same article.


10 posted on 11/16/2009 4:07:37 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: lonestar

There are two protected groups in the US, Homosexuals and Muslims.

ALL of the rest of us to blame for EVERYTHING


11 posted on 11/16/2009 4:09:12 PM PST by RnMomof7
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For those who might not get the La Pasionaria allusion, a Communist, Wiki's page will suffice.
12 posted on 11/16/2009 4:09:32 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson

Islam is violence, it is barbaric, and it is sacriledge against God. It isn’t bigotry to call it those things, it is sound judgement.

The umbrella of religion doesn’t somehow create a shield.

As to this woman who writes this article, lets not forget her motivations. She’s clearly an athiest whose only gods are “carbon imprints” and the government and she is just using this to attack the righteous and to defend what she superficially perceives as an ethnic cultural tradition.


13 posted on 11/16/2009 4:10:21 PM PST by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: SJackson

The MSM and the Donks and the Marxist Executive will go to any and all lengths to make this NOT about terrorism. Because after 9/11, Bush kept the country safe for 7 years. Zero hasn’t been in office ONE and there’s already two attacks on American soil.


14 posted on 11/16/2009 4:12:56 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: SJackson

Hasan’s mental state was considered by his colleagues at Walter Reed. They know more about psychopathy than this author, who probably doesn’t know much.


15 posted on 11/16/2009 4:17:30 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: SJackson
Do extremely religious people tend to be more psychologically damaged than less religious people?

If the religion they adhere to happens to be a savage death cult that would require a dose of insanity to follow at all, yes.

16 posted on 11/16/2009 4:18:08 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: SJackson

What is wrong with these people, and Joe Klein in particular? They keep insisting Hasan was mentally unstable, although they produce no evidence that he was. There’s plenty of evidence that he was a conscious fundamentalist who approved of suicide bombings. To point to these facts does not make you a religious bigot. So what are the Joe Kleins of the World purposely driving for?


17 posted on 11/16/2009 4:22:33 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: SJackson

How evil and vile are these people that they can somehow make believe that this is the Joooooooooo’s fault? Disgusting.


18 posted on 11/16/2009 4:22:55 PM PST by vpintheak (My government has named me an extremist)
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To: SJackson
This guy thinks all extremists are psychopaths. What a narrow, naive, uneducated, simplistic and dangerous view.
19 posted on 11/16/2009 4:26:03 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: popdonnelly
They keep insisting Hasan was mentally unstable, although they produce no evidence that he was.

There's overwhelming evidence as to his motivation, not as to non-religious mental instability.Note my brief comment in post 3. Perhaps we're coming to a point where certain streams of Islam are mental disorders. It's a logical conclusion flowing from the authors premise, but he's simply write me off as a right wing Jew.

20 posted on 11/16/2009 4:28:21 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson
For those who might not get the La Pasionaria allusion,...

Perhaps we should start referring to Joe as the Goebbels of the Neolibs.

21 posted on 11/16/2009 4:36:56 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: SJackson
...There was, for example, the lunatic Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, who opened fire on Muslims praying at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron in 1994, killing 24 and wounding more than 100. There was also the lunatic Jewish settler who assassinated Yitzak Rabin. I can't remember many Jews calling these effusions of violence as a natural consequence of devout Judaism....

...err...maybe no one was calling these "effusions of violence as a natural consequence of devout Judaism" because their Holy Book says 'Don't do this stuff - it is wrong. It is an affront to the Holy God'...

And maybe they are saying that Hasan's (and countless other jihadis) actions ARE a natural consequence of devout islamism - because their books (koran and hadiths) instruct their believers to commit such atrocities... [and by the way, it wasn't the Holy God who provided the inspiration for the koran ... it was the 'other fellow' - Lucifer is one of his names]

22 posted on 11/16/2009 4:39:01 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: SJackson
He was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder from listening to all the soldiers describe the brutal torture they applied to Afghan and Iraqi women and children. Also he was suffering from the damage to the world inflicted by George W Bush and the neocons.

As he snapped, he was picturing in his mind all the greedy Wall St bankers and imperialist nation-builders who have robbed the working world of capital and imposed western laws upon the peaceful followers of G-d, and he did the quite understandable thing. Who can blame him?

Never mind that Hasan never went into combat, and that he shouted, "Allahu akbar" as he killed our soldiers. That was not relevant. All you Jewish extremists, stop it right now.

23 posted on 11/16/2009 4:42:11 PM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: DemforBush
So, Joe Klein is now a licensed mental health professional and can assess the mental states of people he’s never met?

Why not? They did it for George W. Bush, and now Sarah Palin, too. Being a liberal gives you special powers a mere mortal can never comprehend.

24 posted on 11/16/2009 4:46:37 PM PST by 300winmag (Zero to abject failure in under a month. A new land speed record!)
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To: Sender
He was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder from listening to all the soldiers describe the brutal torture they applied to Afghan and Iraqi women and children.

Pre-traumatic stress. The media doesn't mention it much, but he treated pre-deployment patients, not post deployment

25 posted on 11/16/2009 4:48:21 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson

Martin Peretz is a neocon?


26 posted on 11/16/2009 4:50:18 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Veyitten-lekha Ha'Eloqim mital hashamayim umishmanney ha'aretz; verov dagan vetirosh.)
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To: SJackson
OH MY GOD!!!

SJackson. You didn't put Joe Klein's name in the author field. I read this straight through thinking it was some demented letter from a reader which an editor on a crack bender had allowed to slip through.

But it's a major Time contributor, a “real” journalist, CFR member, Guggenheim Fellow, blah, blah, blah, who wrote this, which in fact reads exactly like something scrawled in crayon by a whacked antisemite! How embarrassing for Klein. How embarrassing for Time.

I bailed on Time decades ago. I knew it had become laughably pathetic then, and assumed it must have only gotten worse, but in my wildest imagination I had no idea.

27 posted on 11/16/2009 4:50:46 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Martin Peretz is a neocon?

So says Joe Klein.

28 posted on 11/16/2009 4:53:37 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Stultis
SJackson. You didn't put Joe Klein's name in the author field. I read this straight through thinking it was some demented letter from a reader which an editor on a crack bender had allowed to slip through.

My mistake. Yes, this is big time American journalism.

29 posted on 11/16/2009 4:54:53 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson
Martin Peretz is a neocon?

So says Joe Klein.

Then I suppose David Ben Gurion was a dangerous right wing extremist and Tze'nah, Tze'nah, Tze'nah, Tze'nah is the Horstwessellied.

30 posted on 11/16/2009 4:57:06 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Veyitten-lekha Ha'Eloqim mital hashamayim umishmanney ha'aretz; verov dagan vetirosh.)
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To: SJackson

Hmmm... second pronouncement by Mr. Klein regarding the treasonous murderer hasan and those evil Joos. He must be really smart because he can see stuff no one else can.


31 posted on 11/16/2009 6:08:31 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: SJackson

“”as opposed to a direct consequence of his insanity.””

Who declared him insane and when? WOW! That was certainly fast. Now if our court system can work that fast, the murderer will be gone from our midst!


32 posted on 11/16/2009 6:29:59 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: popdonnelly
There’s plenty of evidence that he was a conscious fundamentalist who approved of suicide bombings.

The guy freakin' gave a grand rounds presentation consisting of a 50+ slide Power Point saying as much! That nobody acted upon this is a separate crime in and of itself.

33 posted on 11/16/2009 6:37:36 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Eagles6
He must be really smart because he can see stuff no one else can.

Farrakhan sees it too. This is an attempt by anti-Islamic forces, and some members of the Jewish community, and some members of the Christian community, who have united to condemn Islam and to speak ill of our Prophet Muhammad

34 posted on 11/17/2009 5:35:03 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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