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Fort Hood captain: Hasan wanted patients to face war crimes charges (UnFreakin Believable)
The Dallas Morning News ^ | November 17, 2009 | BROOKS EGERTON

Posted on 11/17/2009 7:34:13 AM PST by Grumpybutt

Fort Hood massacre suspect Nidal Malik Hasan sought to have some of his patients prosecuted for war crimes based on statements they made during psychiatric sessions with him, a captain who served on the base said Monday.

Other psychiatrists complained to superiors that Hasan's actions violated doctor-patient confidentiality, Capt. Shannon Meehan told The Dallas Morning News.

One day after the Nov. 5 attack that killed 13 and wounded 29, a Fort Hood official said she had never received complaints about Hasan's job performance. Col. Kimberly Kesling, deputy commander of clinical services at the base's Darnall Army Medical Center, also said he was a "hardworking, dedicated young man who gave great care to his patients."

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KEYWORDS: fthood; hasan; islam; mohammed; muslim; obama
I still don't understand why this man wasn't taken out of service before his terrorist attack on the base
1 posted on 11/17/2009 7:34:14 AM PST by Grumpybutt
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To: Grumpybutt

Well, Obama will make this happen for him.

Could this guy have been any more obvious? He was jumping up and down with a sign that screamed “Look at me! I’m a terrorist!”


2 posted on 11/17/2009 7:37:14 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: Grumpybutt
“Nidal Malik Hasan sought to have some of his patients prosecuted for war crimes based on statements they made during psychiatric sessions with him, a captain who served on the base said Monday.”

They might use this as an insanity defense, "rehabilitate" him an set him free. They are insane enough to do this.

“I still don't understand why this man wasn't taken out of service before his terrorist attack on the base.”

Political correctness stopped them form doing that.

3 posted on 11/17/2009 7:37:36 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Grumpybutt

What is even more unfreaking unbelievable is Charley Gibson on ABC news last night was using this as an EXCUSE for Hasan, essentially once again blaming BUSH for this loose cannon Hasan to murder his fellow marines.

Yup, no matter what, it is all BUSH’s fault, right Mr. Gibson?


4 posted on 11/17/2009 7:38:28 AM PST by HD1200
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To: Grumpybutt

This *&^%^((( f-ing *(&^$#*&&**_.
The point of getting the help is that normal Americans are not a violence prone people ( I know I know). The War experience ofcourse brings feelings of guilt.
It is the shrinks job to help the client work through those feelings to reach the logical conclusion that self-defense of the Nation requires harsh actions.


5 posted on 11/17/2009 7:39:36 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Grumpybutt

A terrorist product sponsored by the US PC DemoRat liberal.

A freaking TERRORIST. Nothing less. Supported by unAmerican squatters on our soil.


6 posted on 11/17/2009 7:41:54 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Grumpybutt
I still don't understand why this man wasn't taken out of service before his terrorist attack on the base

I want to know when someone in the halfas* army, chain of command is going to walk the plank for this BS. Make that several somebodies.

7 posted on 11/17/2009 7:42:27 AM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Grumpybutt

Charley Gibson on ABC last night, paraphrasing:

Gibson: It could very well be that the military’s failure to prosecute patients Major Hasan was treating for “war crimes” they admitted to Major Hasan while he was treating them set this chain of events off. Major Hasan had any number of times demanded the military pursue war crime charges for his patients that made statements while being treated that Major Hasan considered war crimes, but each time the military refused to pursue that avenue.


8 posted on 11/17/2009 7:42:28 AM PST by HD1200
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To: Grumpybutt

If Col. Kimberly Kessling is stating that the goat fornicator was better than sliced bread there ain’t anyway a subordinate is going to tell her different.
Unless, of course, the col is a lying sack.


9 posted on 11/17/2009 7:42:39 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Marty62

Don’t they have mental hospitals in the army for guys like that?

Too bad they couldn’t have tossed his sorry ass in a padded cell somewhere & thrown away the key before he could do this.

PC is bad enough but I had no idea that a military base was a gun free zone. That makes absolutely no sense to me.


10 posted on 11/17/2009 7:43:21 AM PST by Califreak (Obama's Purple Reign must be stopped!)
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To: nmh

He so meticulously planned this attack. There is no way he gets off due to “insanity”. Could his lawyers try it?...Sure, they can TRY anything.

Hitler’s mind and thought processes could have been CALLED insane...however, Hitler (like Hasan) knew what he was doing. He had an exacting rationale for his actions and specific plans to carry them out. In that sense he wasn’t “out of his mind”.

By any reasoning that would find Hasan insane, Hitler and his ilk could be excused for all those killed in WWII including 6 million Jews.


11 posted on 11/17/2009 7:45:51 AM PST by txrangerette ("Question with boldness. Hold to the truth. Speak without fear".) - Glenn Beck -)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Looks like Col. Kimberly Kessling has had her way with more than a few goats in her time....lol
12 posted on 11/17/2009 7:46:18 AM PST by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Grumpybutt
If he really is paralyzed the Army will have to give him special treatment in his sentencing. I suggest a wheelchair ramp for the gallows and a slightly longer rope to reach his neck in the sitting position.
13 posted on 11/17/2009 7:49:44 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Obamalaise - the new mood for America.)
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To: txrangerette

But, but, he COULD be insane. So what if he KNEW what he was doing. His INSANITY is what made it not wrong for him.

Of course I want him executed. I’m just trying to show you how they could twist this thing. Of late, I put NOTHING past these terrorists running OUR COUNTRY.


14 posted on 11/17/2009 7:49:44 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: HD1200
This dirt bag took and oath to protect and defend which he violated with his Muslim first philosophy. Second he is a Dr. He took an oath there too. Part of that oath is Dr. patient confidentiality.
15 posted on 11/17/2009 7:50:12 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Califreak

Yes ofcourse.
I have come into contact with soldiers that are suffering the guilt aspect of War.
Some very anry and some severly depressed.
There are plenty of WELL-qualified therapist working with them as we speak.
It is absolutely heartbreaking to see some of our young people suffering like this. I can only imagine what they are going through in Afgan/Iraq with the current politization of the WAR on TERROR.


16 posted on 11/17/2009 7:50:13 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: HD1200

Gibson is full of it.

I’ve never been impressed with his intellect.

Now, I’m even LESS so.

So, let me see...Hasan is going to be the judge of who should be prosecuted for war crimes, and his patients would be used to provide the material on which to prosecute...uh...his patients.

Therefore, he felt justified in opening fire on unarmed people like ducks in a shooting gallery.

Sure, Charlie...suuuuuuurrrrre...


17 posted on 11/17/2009 7:50:15 AM PST by txrangerette ("Question with boldness. Hold to the truth. Speak without fear".) - Glenn Beck -)
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To: Grumpybutt
Meehan said one of his doctors tried to give Hasan a copy of the book last month. Hasan refused. The captain said he had previously avoided Hasan, who was one of a small crew responsible for interviewing soldiers and writing up summaries of their condition.

"I heard he was not one you wanted to go to" because he didn't finish his work promptly, Meehan said. "Apparently

the reason it took so long is he was turning it over to legal."

Well well well. Jihad by infiltration and subversion of the military legal system. Give the SOB credit for inventiveness.

18 posted on 11/17/2009 7:52:24 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Grumpybutt

Because Hasan was a Muslim. That would be “profiling” and “racist” not to mention discriminating again his “creed.”


19 posted on 11/17/2009 7:52:32 AM PST by Little Ray (The beatings will continue until GOP comes to heel.)
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To: Grumpybutt

It’s very simple. PC trumps all, even in the military.


20 posted on 11/17/2009 7:53:19 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: nmh

By that same logic, Hitler had no blame for his atrocities against mankind.

The legal meaning of insanity prevents one who has thought the thing through, and has his reasons and plans, and is in full possession of his faculties, from being judged insane.

It isn’t nearly enough to say that because he thought it was ok, therefore it was ok for him.

Trust me.


21 posted on 11/17/2009 7:53:54 AM PST by txrangerette ("Question with boldness. Hold to the truth. Speak without fear".) - Glenn Beck -)
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To: Grumpybutt

The army board that passes over any army Captain for Major better have a long paper trail.


22 posted on 11/17/2009 7:56:34 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: txrangerette
“The legal meaning of insanity prevents one who has thought the thing through, and has his reasons and plans, and is in full possession of his faculties, from being judged insane.”

Don't worry. Liberals can easily redefine things.

Just look at the 9/11 trial in NYC. These terrorists now have the protection of OUR Constitution, legal rights as citizens and our GOVERNMENT will be on trial. Who would have thought they'd do THAT. I'm telling you, it's INSANITY to do those things.

23 posted on 11/17/2009 7:58:05 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Obiviously the good Colonel is in line for a promotion!


24 posted on 11/17/2009 7:58:50 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: txrangerette

BTW, I believe YOU are right but the LEFT running the show is ALWAYS wrong.


25 posted on 11/17/2009 7:58:50 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Isn't Col. Kimberly Kesling a piece of work. She seems destined to join Gen Janis Leigh Karpinski of Abu Ghraib fame. It seems clear that the military has been massively infected by the Politically Correct Stupidity Bug.

I wonder how many suicides this Col and Major Hasan assisted?

26 posted on 11/17/2009 8:00:50 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Grumpybutt
Col. Kimberly Kesling, deputy commander of clinical services at the base's Darnall Army Medical Center, also said he was a "hardworking, dedicated young man who gave great care to his patients."

COL Kesling, I'll give you a choice: reason your commission, or face a court martial for dereliction of duty.

27 posted on 11/17/2009 8:03:05 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: nmh

Unless the Army is the Left running the show, when he is tried this will not happen.

To say there is pc in the Army is not the same as saying the Left will run this Army trial.

Many in the Army were afraid for their careers. In no way did they think his behavior was ok or excusable just because they did not speak out or speak out forcefully.

Now that he has done this horrific act, pc will not lead to an Army jury finding him innocent by insanity.


28 posted on 11/17/2009 8:04:46 AM PST by txrangerette ("Question with boldness. Hold to the truth. Speak without fear".) - Glenn Beck -)
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To: Grumpybutt
Nidal Malik Hasan sought to have some of his patients prosecuted for war crimes based on statements they made during psychiatric sessions with him

I don't get how this was a possibility even in Hassan's dreams. Isn't it immoral? Isn't a soldier seeing an Army psychiatrist entitled to the unbreachable wall of privacy he'd get if he spoke in confidence to his lawyer? Or to a Catholic priest? I don't see the point of going to an Army shrink if there's no patient confidentiality. Might as well go off-base.

29 posted on 11/17/2009 8:10:24 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Marty62

They’re going through enough already.

What a shame that a dirt bag like this was allowed to stir up their brains even further.


30 posted on 11/17/2009 8:11:56 AM PST by Califreak (Obama's Purple Reign must be stopped!)
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To: Grumpybutt
Obama squelched the Congressional investigations into this jihad attack. The story is quickly disappearing from the media and being replaced by a media feeding frenzy attack on Sarah Palin.

Get used to it.

31 posted on 11/17/2009 8:12:44 AM PST by Gritty (The American left is unparalleled at wriggling out of deadly cul-de-sacs of its own creation-JR Dunn)
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To: Marty62

I have to believe that’s at least partly thanks to the lying anti-American terrorist-embracing media. The troops should be getting treated as heros, no ifs ands or buts, instead they come home to a media and groups like Code Puke calling them murderers and worse. The guys who dropped the first atom bomb, to the best of my knowledge, never felt that they’d committed a crime (which of course they hadn’t), but just imagine them having to come back to the media/political climate our troops have had to face since at least Vietnam.

The media and the rats have so much to answer for in their treason.


32 posted on 11/17/2009 8:12:49 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: Grumpybutt
"Col. Kimberly Kesling, deputy commander of clinical services at the base's Darnall Army Medical Center, also said he was a "hardworking, dedicated young man who gave great care to his patients."

What kind of drugs are these people on?

Hasan was openly communicating how much he hated the American effort in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he was accusing his patients of war crimes. And this woman claims that he was the greatest thing since sliced bread?

These politically correct drones shock and disturb me because they are not capable of distinguishing RIGHT from WRONG, and this particular FAILURE directly led to the murder of 14 human beings and the serious wounding of another 40.

WTH is wrong with these damn idiots?

Are they that stupid by default, or are they programmed to reject common sense?

33 posted on 11/17/2009 8:13:28 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: Grumpybutt

” “He was right on his authority to report it,” said the ex-Marine,
who formerly served as a court-martial judge. The Army teaches all
service members that they have a duty to report evidence of war crimes. “

(I’m not Catholic)
It seems the moral of this sad tale is that if you have to get something
off your chest about wartime activities...
take it to a priest in the confessional.
(My naive thought is that if you confess something vile enough,
the priest might tell you that you need to turn yourself in and
take your lumps. But not being Catholic, I may be totally off with
that speculation.)

Not only has this EVIL Hasan put 13/14 in a grave and wounded many
others...
he’s now poisoned any thought that returning military personnel
will readily open up to their shrinks/counselors.

(I’m not for covering-up for obvious war-crimes. But this SOB Hasan
was probably looking to turn any innocent, but regrettable, collateral
damage into a war crime.)


34 posted on 11/17/2009 8:17:32 AM PST by VOA
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To: mrsmel

ABSOLUTELY
At the very least our wonderful D.C based Freepers like Raoul and Kristinn have made sure that Code Pinkos didn’t go unchallenged.
These young men and women are no different than the Soldiers that fought to the death to defet the Fascist National Socialist of WWII.
To have this traitor attempting to destroy our young soldiers BEFORE he MURDERED others is beyond outragous. It is pure evil.


35 posted on 11/17/2009 8:18:00 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: HD1200

If that’s true that Hasan had demanded “any number of times” that his own patients be charged with war crimes, why on earth did his superiors give him any patients at all? About two or three times is enough to notice a major problem.


36 posted on 11/17/2009 8:29:26 AM PST by heartwood
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To: HD1200

He was in the US Army, Marines use Navy doctors and Corpsmen.


37 posted on 11/17/2009 8:29:54 AM PST by Garvin ("Semper American Primitus")
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To: 70th Division
This dirt bag took and oath to protect and defend which he violated with his Muslim first philosophy. Second he is a Dr. He took an oath there too. Part of that oath is Dr. patient confidentiality.

Also there is something about "Do no harm"

38 posted on 11/17/2009 8:30:56 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Snurple

Boy howdy. Can you imagine some poor grunt being sent to this example of poor bovine breeding? On top of that, she’d probably tell ‘em he’s a baby killer and a war criminal.


39 posted on 11/17/2009 8:34:06 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Garvin

Saw that I said Marines and not Army, but my son in the Marines says they (the Marines) are the only real soldiers anyway.....

joke...


40 posted on 11/17/2009 8:39:32 AM PST by HD1200
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To: Grumpybutt

The answer is PC. Not political correctness as it used to be but political COWARDICE.

For the most part we are a nation dominated by cowards who parrot the “We are a nation of laws” garbage that makes our enemies into heroes and our real heroes into criminals.

Take, for instance, the Fort Hood terrorist or the movement of the KSM trial to New York. Who’s really on trial? In the former example, it’s the Army and the vets who have fought bravely and gallantly and are now being accused by a radical of war crimes. In the latter, it will be the CIA interrogators whose “enhanced interrogation techiniques” are now being brought into question by the very people who screamed for blood after 9/11 and told them to do what was necessary.

The liberals scream for the blood of our own, forgetting that they’re on our side and that our soldiers and agents have made sacrifices beyond what nearly any politician has even considered. They are unable to understand Churchill’s statement that “we sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”

They are cowards of the first order who attack our brave defenders and defend the enemy.


41 posted on 11/17/2009 8:40:27 AM PST by the lone haranguer
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To: org.whodat

There are going to be a bunch of unexpected retirements for personal reasons. Fort Hood and Walter Reed are going to get new Commanders and a bunch of people are not going to make General. Remember we have been fighting a war for the last 8 years and the warfighters are going to be on the promotion boards. Having Hasan in your chain of command is going to be the “Kiss of Death” to your career.


42 posted on 11/17/2009 9:58:46 AM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Grumpybutt
This murderer needs needs a long rope and long drop so bad.

FMCDH(BITS)

43 posted on 11/17/2009 10:50:52 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Grumpybutt
I wonder if Able Danger data mining found links to Hasan. I wonder if Able Danger data mining found links to Hasan. I wonder if . . . .

"the Pentagon-ordered destruction in 2000 of 2.5 terabytes of data unearthed by Able Danger . . . the Able Danger program did in fact identify four 9/11 hijackers well before the attacks . . . ."

44 posted on 11/17/2009 2:23:04 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Grumpybutt

BTTT!


45 posted on 11/17/2009 8:16:09 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Grumpybutt

Because the “highest good” in our silly military isn’t to protect us from evil and destruction but to push PC...


46 posted on 11/19/2009 6:40:07 AM PST by GOPJ (ObamaCare - slush fund scam that would make Bernie Madoff blush.)
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