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Deer Season Opener Leaves One Dead
KMOU.com ^ | No. 17, 2009 | Ryan Martin

Posted on 11/17/2009 8:42:42 AM PST by smokingfrog

AUXVASSE - Bernie Breer, 67, died when his friend accidentally shot him after deer hunting off Route B in Callaway County.

Breer was one of three hunters accidentally shot during the opening weekend of dear season. Breer's friend accidentally shot him while taking his gun off his shoulder.

"The firearm discharged and hit the victim in the stomach area," Missouri Department of Conservation officer Tom Stother said.

Officials reported hunters in Adair and Macon Counties were accidentally shot while deer hunting during the weekend.

Last year, a total of five people were accidentally shot during all of deer season. None were fatal.

"Unfortunately, if you do handle guns long enough, sooner or later you're gonna have one go off when you don't intend it to," Dave Shefe, an employee at Columbia's Powder Horn Guns and Sporting, said.

Still, Shefe said the accidents during the weekend should not scare hunters away from the sport. He said they do not reflect a growing trend in hunting accidents.

"It's all about basic gun handling and gun safety," Shefe said.

Stother said hunters are required to take gun safety classes before getting their hunting permit.

"Muzzle control is by far the best safety tip that we can provide to hunters," Stother said.

(Excerpt) Read more at komu.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Missouri
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I didn't correct the misspellings.

No report yet on how many dear were killed.

1 posted on 11/17/2009 8:42:44 AM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Was he hunting with Cheney?


2 posted on 11/17/2009 8:46:40 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

damn, you beat me to it....lol...


3 posted on 11/17/2009 8:47:41 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: smokingfrog
"Unfortunately, if you do handle guns long enough, sooner or later you're gonna have one go off when you don't intend it to,"

The first rule of thumb...ALWAYS handle a firearm as if it were loaded and ALWAYS point in a safe direction. I don't know the circumstance and what happened, but you can never be too safe with firearms.Even when I KNOW my firearm is empty, I never point it at someone.I know it was an accident, but it should remind us to NEVER take safety for granite!Just like when I flew airplanes, there are no "shortcuts"...safety, safety, safety!

4 posted on 11/17/2009 8:49:23 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: smokingfrog
...hunters are required to take gun safety classes before getting their hunting permit.

Yes, the state program solves all ills......

5 posted on 11/17/2009 8:49:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: smokingfrog

I wonder when they will print an article detailing how many innocents have been murdered while prevented by law from carrying a weapon for self defense? I don’t plan on holding my breath.


6 posted on 11/17/2009 8:51:37 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: smokingfrog
""Unfortunately, if you do handle guns long enough, sooner or later you're gonna have one go off when you don't intend it to," Dave Shefe, an employee at Columbia's Powder Horn Guns and Sporting, said."

Bull$hit. I have been handling guns since I was 8 years old. I have NEVER had an AD. The closest I ever came was a Remington 700 BEFORE they acknowledged there was a problem the with safety. I cut it up and had it melted down.

7 posted on 11/17/2009 8:55:42 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: smokingfrog

Suggested reading for all Freepers

http://www.frfrogspad.com/

Especially this page

http://www.frfrogspad.com/safety.htm


8 posted on 11/17/2009 8:56:32 AM PST by CodeJockey (If you can read this thank a teacher, if you can read it in English thank a Soldier.)
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To: smokingfrog
Maybe I should have cautioned him on his plan to "sneak up on the deer".

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9 posted on 11/17/2009 8:59:21 AM PST by txroadkill ( 9/12/2009 another win for the Gipper!)
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To: mikelets456

You got that right. Once, many years ago, a Frat Brother was showing me his new .303 Bolt action rifle. I took a bead on a lady walking down the street, but didn’t pull the trigger. Then, set the rifle on the floor barrel up to look down the barrel to see the rifling, accidentally pulled the trigger, blew my brains out and the bullet went up three floors of the frat house. So with no brains I had to go into Engineering.


10 posted on 11/17/2009 8:59:29 AM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Just in case someone out there still has one of those Remingtons.

http://www.remington.com/safety/safety_center/safety_modification_program/


11 posted on 11/17/2009 9:02:35 AM PST by smokingfrog (Well, are you gonna draw those pistols or whistle Dixie? Spit!)
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To: smokingfrog

Bernie's friend should have taken Al Gore's gun safety class.

12 posted on 11/17/2009 9:03:50 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: smokingfrog
The moment you start thinking you're too smart for it to happen to you...
13 posted on 11/17/2009 9:06:32 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Amen. The best safety is the thing between your ears. Never had an AD myself, and this story makes me wonder how folks end up also getting shot while cleaning their firearms. It’s just plain old carelessness.


14 posted on 11/17/2009 9:08:35 AM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Bull$hit. I have been handling guns since I was 8 years old. I have NEVER had an AD. The closest I ever came was a Remington 700 BEFORE they acknowledged there was a problem the with safety. I cut it up and had it melted down.

Calm your jerking knee, sir. The sherriff went on to make the following, common-sense statement:

"It's all about basic gun handling and gun safety," Shefe said."

Surely you don't object to that...?

15 posted on 11/17/2009 9:11:25 AM PST by r9etb
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To: smokingfrog

The old “I accidentally shot and killed my friend while hunting” excuse. Let’s wait and see if there’s some insurance policy or something extracurricular between these two.

I am also EXTREMELY suspicious of shooting deaths that occur “accidentally” while cleaning a gun. I’ve cleaned guns lots of times before and can’t imagine someone trying to clean a loaded gun.


16 posted on 11/17/2009 9:11:51 AM PST by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: mikelets456

Who the hell said that? I know plenty of people who have handled guns their entire lives, and have never had one discharge when they didn’t intend it to.

That is BS.


17 posted on 11/17/2009 9:12:14 AM PST by rlmorel (Obama, The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him...)
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To: stubernx98

....or politics....


18 posted on 11/17/2009 9:12:47 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: r9etb
No, I was objecting to the guy who said that sooner or later you will have an AD. That is the WRONG attitude and will get someone shot.
19 posted on 11/17/2009 9:17:39 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: smokingfrog

1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
—Jeff Cooper

Hmmmm .... Surely a Rule 2 violation, here ... and probably a Rule 3 violation as well.


20 posted on 11/17/2009 9:18:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: smokingfrog

Many years ago I was deer hunting in Yellowwood State Forest. I’d found what I thought was a nice “tree stand,” a tree cut about six feet off the ground by DNR that I could stand on, while leaning on the trunk behind me. After a while, through the brush behind me, I heard somebody almost literally fall out of a tree, crunch through the brush, and take a leak. I then heard them clamber up the tree, followed by the unmistakeable sound of a beer can being opened. I could not see him, and assumed he could not see me. So I as quietly as I could, I unloaded my shotgun, got down from the tree and crept away through the woods to find a better spot.

That guy wasn’t going to see any deer, much less shoot them, but he damn well could have shot me. The woods are full of deer...and idiots.


21 posted on 11/17/2009 9:19:30 AM PST by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: mad_as_he$$
I don't see anything wrong with the statement. The possibility of an AD is part of the reason why you're supposed to always be careful where you're pointing the damned thing.

Assume an AD will happen. Take steps to prevent it. And make sure that nobody gets hurt if it does.

No sense in being knee-jerk about it. The sherriff sounds like one of the good guys.

22 posted on 11/17/2009 9:20:48 AM PST by r9etb
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To: smokingfrog

If you check back in a couple of months, the shooter probably will have married the widow!


23 posted on 11/17/2009 9:21:32 AM PST by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: Right Brother

No clip in the gun, he probably has checked it.


24 posted on 11/17/2009 9:22:59 AM PST by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: mikelets456
Some friend. That's why guns are equipped with a safety lock. I remember once as a boy when my Dad finally let him shoot his pistol, a 9mm semi-automatic, extremely handy for the occasional encounter with rattlesnakes.

I handed it back to him without resetting the safety lock. I not only got the biggest a**-chewing in my life, but it was months and months before my Dad would ever let me handle a firearm again. This friend evidently didn't have the good fortune of learning such a lesson early in life.

25 posted on 11/17/2009 9:23:03 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: r9etb

I had an AD once in VN. With an M79!

You can’t drop them loaded on the top deck of a track!


26 posted on 11/17/2009 9:25:41 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Vigilanteman
I was the beneficiary of my stepfather's firearms safety lessons, and I never went hunting with him (wasn't my thing). He was a stickler for it, even when it came to BB guns and the like.

Those lessons have stuck with me my entire life, through college (4 years on the rifle team), 8+ years in the Army, etc.

27 posted on 11/17/2009 9:28:58 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: rahbert
I had an AD once in VN. With an M79! You can’t drop them loaded on the top deck of a track!

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm tossing my grenade launcher into the track.... ;-)

28 posted on 11/17/2009 9:29:42 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Big_Harry

You try to console the widow, and....you know....sometimes things just happen.


29 posted on 11/17/2009 9:29:59 AM PST by smokingfrog (Well, are you gonna draw those pistols or whistle Dixie? Spit!)
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To: rahbert

Er... what did you destroy?


30 posted on 11/17/2009 9:30:30 AM PST by r9etb
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To: smokingfrog

Very sad. May his family find comfort and peace.


31 posted on 11/17/2009 9:32:02 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: smokingfrog
"Unfortunately, if you do handle guns long enough, sooner or later you're gonna have one go off when you don't intend it to," Dave Shefe, an employee at Columbia's Powder Horn Guns and Sporting, said.

NONSENSE. Poppycock. Bilge. I have been shooting guns since I was 6; I'm now middle-aged, carry a revolver concealed EVERY DAY, and I have NEVER, NO NEVER had an accidental discharge.

My teenage kids have been shooting since they were 4, my son has been hunting many, many times, and as far as I know, not a single AD. Just follow the rules: keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire, and you won't have a problem.

You watch: the media will try to spin this into gun-control advocacy.

32 posted on 11/17/2009 9:43:51 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Proud to be an American, where I least I know I'm free!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

“Bull$hit. I have been handling guns since I was 8 years old. I have NEVER had an AD.”

It happened to me. My semi-auto Beretta 12 gauge jammed. I cleared the shell out of the chamber and when I let go of the chamber lever it snap close and discharged at the same time.

I had the gun pointed in the air and resting on my thigh. It felt like I got kicked by a donkey, and scared the hell out of me. I was 13 and hunting with my cousin who was 16.

Never let the barrel of your gun point at anyone no matter what.


33 posted on 11/17/2009 9:46:20 AM PST by bassfishing
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To: ArrogantBustard

Great axioms by the man who invented the 10-mm Auto cartridge. Soon to be a new addition to Lord Vader’s arsenal.


34 posted on 11/17/2009 9:52:39 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: mikelets456

35 posted on 11/17/2009 9:53:00 AM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: mikelets456

36 posted on 11/17/2009 9:56:25 AM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: mikelets456
.I know it was an accident, but it should remind us to NEVER take safety for granite!

That rule should be carved in stone!

37 posted on 11/17/2009 10:00:04 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: BertWheeler
I am also EXTREMELY suspicious of shooting deaths that occur “accidentally” while cleaning a gun.

I have come to the conclusion that most of those are actually "I don't want to admit I was messing around with it and being stupid" events. All the ones I have seen details of the person had no cleaning suppilies around and was either 'trying to figure out how it worked' or just plain playing with the gun.
38 posted on 11/17/2009 10:03:07 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: ArrogantBustard

5. NEVER trust the “safety”!


39 posted on 11/17/2009 10:06:17 AM PST by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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To: BertWheeler
I am also EXTREMELY suspicious of shooting deaths that occur “accidentally” while cleaning a gun.

You mean like the guy sharpening his knife and it slipped out of his hand? 17 times?

40 posted on 11/17/2009 10:09:29 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: smokingfrog
Breer's friend accidentally shot him while taking his gun off his shoulder.

Not sure what kind of gun he had, but I was taught, if you are carrying a bolt action rifle, have the bolt open. Pros/cons?

41 posted on 11/17/2009 10:09:48 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: smokingfrog

One could argue there were two deaths. A man drowned in his truck trying to cross a flood swollen creek around here. He and two other men were deer hunting on family land.


42 posted on 11/17/2009 10:16:55 AM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Alas Babylon!

LOL...I love witty sarcasm/humor!


43 posted on 11/17/2009 10:19:08 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: sockmonkey
The article says he was shot AFTER deer hunting, so the rifle probably should not have been loaded in the first place. Which brings up the topic of removable magazines. One of the things the gun lobby likes to ban. A removable magazine is the safest way to unload a firearm, but I don't often see people making that argument.
44 posted on 11/17/2009 10:24:22 AM PST by smokingfrog (Well, are you gonna draw those pistols or whistle Dixie? Spit!)
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To: smokingfrog
Breer's friend accidentally shot him while taking his gun off his shoulder.

Uh...with his finger on the trigger? With the muzzle pointed at his friend? Why?

45 posted on 11/17/2009 10:25:08 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: DarthVader

I have never seen a better set of gunhandling rules. His four rules are concise and complete, and are best understood as a mindset than as a checklist.


46 posted on 11/17/2009 10:25:56 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sausageseller

Is there always a “safety” to (dis)trust?


47 posted on 11/17/2009 10:27:01 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mikelets456

Simplest rule in all of firearms safety:

NEVER POINT THE MUZZLE AT ANYTHING YOU’RE NOT WILLING TO KILL


48 posted on 11/17/2009 10:28:28 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: mikelets456; dighton; martin_fierro; Larry Lucido; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day; ...
NEVER take safety for granite!

That advice is rock solid!

49 posted on 11/17/2009 10:30:06 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.remington.com/safety/safety_center/safety_modification_program/

That flaw led to an accidental discharge in just such a rifle, in my hands, as I toggled the safety to off prior to unloading...no finger anywhere near the trigger. It was pointed at the ground near my father’s feet.

Thus I repeat the rule: NEVER POINT THE MUZZLE AT ANYTHING YOU’RE NOT WILLING TO KILL.


50 posted on 11/17/2009 10:34:30 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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