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Orly Taitz Refuses to Pay Judge’s $20,000 Sanction
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Posted on 11/17/2009 12:06:33 PM PST by mnehring

Orly Taitz is refusing to pay a $20,000 sanction issued by Judge Clay Land, who is also presiding over the Mark Shelnutt trial.

Taitz is the California attorney who filed a motion for Capt. Connie Rhodes. Rhodes attempted to halt her Iraq deployment on the grounds that President Obama’s holding office was not legitimate.

Taitz told News 3 that she believes the sanctions were asserted in an attempt to silence her challenge of Obama’s legitimacy.

“I really haven’t done anything that would justify the sanction. If anything it is the opposite. The sanction was not justified. It was a political move. It is an extremely dangerous precedent to set.“

Taitz has retained counsel for her appeal.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; clayland; lane; obama; obotland; obottrollbaitthread; orly; orlytaitz; whackamole
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1 posted on 11/17/2009 12:06:33 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

She should start a legal defense fund and start accepting donations. While many here would not contribute, some would if nothing more than to protest Obama.


2 posted on 11/17/2009 12:10:00 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: mnehring

Hey Land, pay the fine yourself.


3 posted on 11/17/2009 12:10:27 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: mnehring

Free Orly Taitz !!

I’m printing the T shirts as we type.


4 posted on 11/17/2009 12:11:22 PM PST by y6162 (uish..)
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bump


5 posted on 11/17/2009 12:12:06 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: taxcontrol
She should start a legal defense fund and start accepting donations.

She's been soliciting contributions to support her legal antics for some time now. One of her websites has a link where you can send her money.

6 posted on 11/17/2009 12:13:38 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mnehring

What. An. Idiot.


7 posted on 11/17/2009 12:14:13 PM PST by r9etb
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To: mnehring

Good. At least she'll have "standing". The defendant always has standing. Wonder if that idiot judge said something in his diatribe that would circumspectly open a can of worms for the pres--ent.


8 posted on 11/17/2009 12:14:44 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
Good. At least she'll have "standing". The defendant always has standing. Wonder if that idiot judge said something in his diatribe that would circumspectly open a can of worms for the pres--ent.

Standing to do what?

9 posted on 11/17/2009 12:15:42 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mnehring

contempt of court on top of the fine.


10 posted on 11/17/2009 12:15:58 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango; All
Related:

Judge Directs US Attorney To Collect $20K From Orly Taitz After Failure To Pay Fine

A federal judge in Georgia has ordered the US Attorney to collect a $20,000 judgment against Orly Taitz after the Birther attorney failed to pay the fine -- which she appealed -- within 30 days.

Here's the full order from Judge Clay Land, of the US District Court in the Middle District Of Georgia:

"Orly Taitz has failed to pay the $20,000.00 sanction ordered by the Court on October 13, 2009. Accordingly, the Clerk is ordered to enter final judgment in favor of the United States of America and against Orly Taitz in the principal amount of $20,000.00. The United States Attorney is authorized and directed to collect the judgment as provided by law.
IT IS SO ORDERED, this 13th day of November, 2009. "


11 posted on 11/17/2009 12:18:43 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Taitz has retained counsel for her appeal.

Must mean she's worried.

12 posted on 11/17/2009 12:21:24 PM PST by Drew68
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To: mnehring

Could be a plan to get the issue to the Supreme Court.


13 posted on 11/17/2009 12:26:41 PM PST by drypowder
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To: mnehring

This may backfire- maybe it will cause her to have ‘standing’

since no one else seems to have legal ‘standing’ to ask for proof that our Pres—ent is legitimate

We are only citizens, after all, who are required to pay the taxes this Obozo imposes


14 posted on 11/17/2009 12:28:01 PM PST by Mr. K (Deathly afraid my typos become a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: Drew68

I am all for this woman’s efforts- The more we can do to disrupt Obambi the better


15 posted on 11/17/2009 12:30:37 PM PST by Mr. K (Deathly afraid my typos become a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: drypowder
Could be a plan to get the issue to the Supreme Court.

The only issue that can go up on appeal is whether she was properly sanctioned. That appeal will not bring up the issue of Obama's eligibility, because she was not sanctioned for filing the original lawsuit; she was sanctioned only for her motion to reconsider, which violated the court rules in a number of ways, and for her subsequent filing in which she accused the judge of "treason" and claimed that the judge met with Attorney General Holder (on a day when Holder was in Los Angeles).

16 posted on 11/17/2009 12:30:52 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Mr. K
I agree.

Here are my questions for the group:

1.) Why is Taitz being slapped with a $20,000 fine over technicalities and other BS for pursuing Obama's birth certificate? What is the real reason for this?

2.) Why has Obama stolen and spent over 1.7 million taxpayer dollars preventing his birth certificate and other public records from being viewed by the public?

3.) If Obama has nothing to hide, then why is Taitz being destroyed by these Kangaroo court systems? Why is Obama spending all that taxpayer cash to cover up his life history?

As a taxpayer, I would love to know these answers.

17 posted on 11/17/2009 12:46:52 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: so_real

“Wonder if that idiot judge said something in his diatribe that would circumspectly open a can of worms for the pres—ent.”

Yes! After Taitz filed a motion to reconsider, the plaintiff, Rhodes, attempted to contact the court to object to the filing.

Instead of advising the plaintiff to contact her attorney and inform her of plaintiff’s demand to cease and desist, the Clerk of the Court began negotiating with the plaintiff to file a motion with the court. The Clerk of the Court knew the plaintiff was represented by an attorney. The only appropriate response would have been to instruct the plaintiff to contact her representative (Taitz).

The Clerk of the Court stepped in it further by contacting the US Attorney’s office and informing him of plaintiff’s ex-parte communications with the Court.

When this is over, it will be a laundry list of ethics violations against Judge Land and the US Attorney’s office.


18 posted on 11/17/2009 12:52:22 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (Clever tagline can only be seen on the other internet.)
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To: GI Joe Fan
1) She isn't.

2) He hasn't.

3) She's incompetent.

That was pretty easy, really.

19 posted on 11/17/2009 12:53:15 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Thanks for the info. It's what she can prove that counts. My thought was that she will fight until the $20K fine is dismissed which could then allow the reopening of the Obama legitimacy issue. We'll see.
20 posted on 11/17/2009 12:55:54 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Mr. K
This may backfire- maybe it will cause her to have ‘standing’

Standing to do what?

21 posted on 11/17/2009 12:59:15 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: drypowder
Could be a plan to get the issue to the Supreme Court.

I don't suppose you can cite a single instance where a lawyer's fine made it all the way to the Supreme Court can you?

22 posted on 11/17/2009 1:00:44 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: El Sordo
Excuse me?

1.7 million dollars in legal fees to prevent his birth records from seeing the light of day, and you don't see anything wrong here?

What kind of drugs are you on?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114202

23 posted on 11/17/2009 1:02:55 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: drypowder
My thought was that she will fight until the $20K fine is dismissed which could then allow the reopening of the Obama legitimacy issue. We'll see.

The sanction will be upheld-- appeals court judges are judges, and don't like to see lawyers accuse judges of "treason" or falsely accuse judges of unethical behavior (Orly accused Judge Land of secretly meeting with Attorney General Holder to talk about the case, on a day when Holder was actually in Los Angeles).

And even if the sanction were reversed, that would not "allow the reopening of the Obama legitimacy issue." Only Captain Rhodes has standing to appeal that part of the order, and she didn't.

24 posted on 11/17/2009 1:03:04 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: r9etb

She is a good person.

I wondered how many seconds would elapse until
Romney’s hoards, BOTs, and flotsam would
attack her for Obama.


25 posted on 11/17/2009 1:05:21 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: GI Joe Fan
Here are my questions for the group...

Here are some answers:

1) See Lurking Libertarians explanation in Reply 16.
2) Because he can.
3) There is no Kangaroo Court. Orly's problems are entirely of her own making.

26 posted on 11/17/2009 1:05:47 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GI Joe Fan

Land is being coached by 0bama’s thugs on how to play Chi-Town Hardball. Intimidation is job one.


27 posted on 11/17/2009 1:05:47 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Exactly.

Some Freepers here choose to face the 1.7 million dollar gorilla in the room by putting their heads in the sand.

No one, BUT NO ONE, spends 1.7 million dollars in a courtroom unless he has something serious to hide.

His Constitutional eligibility as President is at stake, and too many here at Free Republic choose to mock those of us who ask simple questions.

28 posted on 11/17/2009 1:09:09 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: GI Joe Fan
2.6 million to the law firm of Perkins & Cole to cover various legal fees and services.

1.7 million of that since the election.

Unless you can provide a specific cost breakdown that shows 1.7 million going specifically to “prevent his birth records from seeing the light of day”, you are being disingenuous.

29 posted on 11/17/2009 1:12:53 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: GI Joe Fan
No one, BUT NO ONE, spends 1.7 million dollars in a courtroom unless he has something serious to hide.

Not a dime has come out of his pocket so what does Obama care?

30 posted on 11/17/2009 1:13:25 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GI Joe Fan

bet that 1.7 mil created a lot of jobs.......LOL


31 posted on 11/17/2009 1:14:59 PM PST by tioga
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To: Diogenesis
She is a good person.

She's a fruit loop who by her ridiculous antics brought it on herself.

Read Judge Land's ruling. She clogged the court like a 10-burrito eating binge.

32 posted on 11/17/2009 1:16:18 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Non-Sequitur
That doesn't answer the question.

WHY spend 1.7 million dollars if there is nothing to hide?

33 posted on 11/17/2009 1:16:32 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: El Sordo
You fail to see the forest through the trees.

Millions of dollars being spent on legal fees to prevent simple public documents from being examined.

For what reason is this happening?

34 posted on 11/17/2009 1:18:34 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: GI Joe Fan; El Sordo

The challenge with that statement is that is a summary of what he paid his lawyers, not specifically for what. While running for president and as president, there will be many functions he would use lawyer for, from analyzing all personal financial and real estate transactions, to handling all campaign compliance and financing paperwork, etc, etc.

WND needs to dig deeper than they have and find specific out-layer costs for action, not just general payments to law firms.


35 posted on 11/17/2009 1:18:44 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Gotcha.

I still fail to understand why Americans are met by an army of lawyers whenever a simple public record will suffice.

Again, my question receives no answer.

If there is nothing to hide, then why throw all these lawyers at the American people?

36 posted on 11/17/2009 1:21:06 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: All

I have a question - WHO gets the $$ IF she pays? And, who usually gets the money when people are fined in other cases??


37 posted on 11/17/2009 1:26:36 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: GI Joe Fan

That’s a good question because the conclusion lies in his hands.

On one hand, if a long form certificate does exist that would clear this up, there must be another reason for not releasing it, be it he likes to use the issue as a political weapon, it has some other embarrassing detail (bastard?), etc...

However, if it does not exist, considering the position he is in, why not just have some document expert over at the CIA make a fake one. No need to for the cheap Photoshop crap he is accused of. I’m sure there are people out there who would be willing to make one using period papers, period stamps, etc that would be completely indistinguishable from a real one and they would have no qualms or risks presenting.

The ball in Zero’s court, but I think there may be more reasons he doesn’t do one of the above in regards to releasing it than people want to venture into.


38 posted on 11/17/2009 1:27:19 PM PST by mnehring
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To: jackibutterfly
WHO gets the $$ IF she pays?

The Judge has asked that the money go to a Vet's association (Wounded Warrior foundation?) That determination is up to the judge usually. Most of the time it goes to the State coffers, but sometimes, they direct it to non-profits.

39 posted on 11/17/2009 1:28:46 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Oh, good. Thanks. I was afraid individual persons would get the money.


40 posted on 11/17/2009 1:30:43 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly

Correction on previous, he asked the money to go the National Infantry Foundation at Fort Benning.


41 posted on 11/17/2009 1:35:38 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Free the BC! Free the BC! Free the BC!

No proof of his birth has ever been offered, at any time, by anyone . . . ever. All who claim it has been produced are duplicitous in this treasonous scam. Just produce the document from Hawaii. That’s all. Don’t obfuscate by shouting about the one on the web.

Produce the real deal, for public examination.


42 posted on 11/17/2009 1:37:53 PM PST by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: GI Joe Fan
"Millions of dollars being spent on legal fees to prevent simple public documents from being examined."

If you get sued, you have to reply. That normally means hiring a lawyer. That's all he's done. Obama has not initiated any suits.

43 posted on 11/17/2009 3:58:12 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo; GI Joe Fan
If you get sued, you have to reply. That normally means hiring a lawyer. That's all he's done. Obama has not initiated any suits.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And...All of these suits would have been stopped in their tracks with the nod of Obama’s head to his secretary and ( at most) $50 worth of documents.

Only a **NUT** or criminal would expend more than a million of his own, others, and/or taxpayer dollars to prevent the release of these documents. Obama has also **deliberately** diverted DOJ attorneys from important matters such as keeping our soldiers from being murdered by a terrorist on their own soil!

Fundamentally,....An honest man would be **HONORED** to prove in every way possible that they were a natural born citizen and **constitutionally** eligible to be a Commander in Chief of our troops and president of the people.

So?...What does Obama’s actions say about his character? What does it say about the character of those who defend his actions?

44 posted on 11/17/2009 4:09:50 PM PST by wintertime
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To: mnehring
I have read on these threads that the hard part is that every other real birth certificate is numbered. It is one thing to fake one birth certificate. It another to re-do and fake **all** the birth certificates for all the children born for a year or more.
45 posted on 11/17/2009 4:13:19 PM PST by wintertime
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To: mnehring

I agree with Orly. The sanctions are thuggery.


46 posted on 11/17/2009 4:14:02 PM PST by bvw
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To: Macoozie
All who claim it has been produced are duplicitous in this treasonous scam.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What does this say about Obama’s character?

What does it say about those who defend his actions?

47 posted on 11/17/2009 4:14:22 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
"And...All of these suits would have been stopped in their tracks with the nod of Obama’s head to his secretary and ( at most) $50 worth of documents."

That's simply not true. Not one of the suits ever got to an evidentiary phase, where such documentation would be produced. There was no point at which Obama's lawyers could have walked in with such documentation and made them go away. It's not even true that such documentation would settle the issues contained on the suits. They contained other claims.

48 posted on 11/17/2009 4:23:24 PM PST by mlo
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To: bvw
I agree with Orly. The sanctions are thuggery.

You think it is proper conduct for an attorney to file papers in court accusing the judge of an unethical meeting with the Attorney General, which supposedly took place at a time when the Attornewy General was in California and the judge was in Georgia?

49 posted on 11/17/2009 4:45:24 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I think Justice is Justice. Not “proper conduct” — to me to pass “proper conduct” as Justice ... well, a con.

Are you a con man? Seems like we have them aplenty in our times.


50 posted on 11/17/2009 4:58:17 PM PST by bvw
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