Skip to comments.Purple Hearts proposed for Fort Hood victims
Posted on 11/17/2009 12:29:19 PM PST by Califreak
Washington (CNN) -- Military victims of the Fort Hood massacre will be eligible to receive the Purple Heart if Congress passes a bill introduced Tuesday.
Non-military victims could receive the Secretary of Defense Medal of Freedom -- the civilian equivalent of the Purple Heart. Both military and civilian personnel killed or wounded in the November 5 attack would be granted the same legal status as combatant casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The bill was introduced by Texas GOP Rep. John Carter, who represents Fort Hood in the House of Representatives.
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Fascinating .... Does this mean that POS Hasan is officially an enemy combatant?
That’s uncomfortably close to saying the attack was a military attack and not a civil crime...which leads us to question trying KSM in New York...
As far as I’m concerned he is.
I’m sure I’m not alone in that sentiment.
This should open up quite a few cans of worms, shouldn’t it?
effin-a he’s an enemy combatant, and those troops suffered those wounds due to ENEMY action. Congress doesn’t need to do dick. It’s already covered. Just need an army chief of staff with some cajones. Uh oh. There goes that idea. Press on congress, and do the army’s command staff’s job.
I'd say that he's an enemy combatant ... and that he was wearing our uniform while engaged in direct action against us. That makes him a spy, IIRC ... seems to me The Army can just put him up against a wall and shoot him.
That is exactly why the RAT Congress or the RAT POTUS will never allow this measure to advance. Can't issue a Purple Heart for a Man Made Catastrophe.
And they probably won't. That would be an admission that this was a terrorist attack. That in turn would be a concession that Dick Cheney was right in stating that this country is less safe now than it was under the Bush White House.
I don't see it happening with this congress under this administration.
At the very least, he should be sent to GITMO, to be incarcerated with his brethren.
“I’d say that he’s an enemy combatant ... and that he was wearing our uniform while engaged in direct action against us. That makes him a spy, IIRC ... seems to me The Army can just put him up against a wall and shoot him. “
Thank you for that great piece of logic!! Too bad the rat critters in Congress can’t think that clearly!
Seems like a no brainer to me aside from the fact that 0 has declared the War on Terror to be over.
Will they also get a shout-out from the Commander In Chief?
I think they should be given the Purple Heart. I wonder if the victims of Sgt. Akbar in Iraq were awarded the Purple Heart, or the victims in Little Rock a couple of months ago.
Maybe there should be a new medal for the victims of liberal diversity policy.
Is there any question?
>I think they should be given the Purple Heart.<
I’m surprised someone in Congress is just now bringing this up.
It’s about damned time.
“Fascinating .... Does this mean that POS Hasan is officially an enemy combatant?”
I believe he will be if the Soldiers’ wounds are considered ones warranting a Purple Heart. This not only backs FUBO into a corner, but also the dems in the House.
I’m going to send John Carter a thank you note.
That is exactly why the RAT Congress or the RAT POTUS will never allow this measure to advance.
Oh, what noise will be made of this in the coming election year if it does NOT advance! This, more than any, will expose them for the anti-American vermin they are!
I sent him a thank you note, but I had to find an address because I’m way out of his district.
I think this will, on its face, make this an act of war (terror) rather than a crime....unless the RATs in congress decide to make a Purple Heart signify anything they want it to...just because they can.
Was it necessary to pass such a Bill for the victims at The Pentagon on 9/11....or for those killed or wounded at Pearl Harbor?
>unless the RATs in congress decide to make a Purple Heart signify anything they want it to...just because they can.<
That’s a scary thought.
They are so deranged that before it’s over they might give Hasan a Purple Heart.
I don’t like the idea. Do service members who are killed by illegal immigrants on welfare get a purple heart?
I think the Purple Heart should be restricted to injuries sustained on the battlefield.
A skull and bones with a rainbow background?
A tombstone with rainbow triangle?
ehh...that's it but you guys get the idea.
“Im sure Im not alone in that sentiment.”
Makes sense. Didn’t military personnel injured during the Pearl Harbor attack receive purple hearts?
IMO, Hasan brought the battlefield right to Fort Hood.
Maybe this proposal will bring about an honest discussion about this issue instead of all the PC crap they’re shoveling around right now.
Full Disclosure ... I am a Purple Heart receipiant from Desert Storm ... and I disagree with these soldiers receiving the PH. It is a big stretch the fit this into a combat related situation and I think it begins to lessen the true value and meaning.
I fully believe that the POS should be lined up against a wall but PHs for the victims I think not.
I hear what you are saying but the war we are in does not have front lines, the enemy is here as well as Europe, Philippines, Middle East, etc.
Thank you for responding, LavaDog.
I was wondering what someone like you would say about this.
I can see your point.
I also think it’s a good thing that Carter is doing. Even if it is “playing politics”-it may force an honest discussion.
The PC stuff is going to kill us.
and I hear and agree with what you said ... and I spent the last 8 yrs of my career fighting it but the military were the only ones fighting a war. If we are going to give thses soldiers PHs then we as a nation need to stop half-a$$ing this ... declare war as a nation and “lets Roll” until then this type of gesture is fluff and is done to make politicians feel better about themselves. Another point, 8 yrs of “war” and we haven’t had one live MOH winner? That is a travesty too. Thanks for the good discussion
I have several relatives who have been fighting in this war from the start. Most are Marines including officers. Also AF intel, a ret Army who is an Speaks fluent Russian and Arabic, his son is also over in Afghn in the Marines.
Understand and appreciate you service.
Here in San Diego at Ft. Rosecrans National Cemetery is
buried one of the recent MOH awardees Navy SEAL Michael Monsoor and last Sat. buried was one of the officers
killed at Ft. Hood.
“don’t jump to conclusions”
“I think the Purple Heart should be restricted to injuries sustained on the battlefield.”
The problem with asymetric warfare is there is no “battlefield.”
Probably 1/2 the casualties are what used to be in positions I would dismiss as a REMF.
If put up for a vote, it would be interesting to see how the dems would vote.
If they get the Purple Heart, that means they were wounded in combat. If they were wounded in combat, psycho-doc was an enemy combatant, not a psycho-doc. If Obambi vetos the Purple Heart bill, he looks like crap. If he signs it, there was a terrorist attack on US soil, and he looks worse. Obama: Is there some way I can vote “present”?
I predict he will neither sign it or veto it, and the bill will lapse into law after the constitutional time period passes.
” I disagree with these soldiers receiving the PH. It is a big stretch the fit this into a combat related situation.”
Not sure how this is any different than the turd who threw the grenade into the tent. Didn’t they get PHs?
Yes, this is RE, but, as posted above, in asymetric warfare probably 1/2 of the casualties are non-combat personel -— REMFs sitting in an office or loading a truck or somesuch when a bomb goes off.
Thinking back to Desert Storm (which I was also in), I think most of the deaths were Marines sleeping in a barracks somewhere hit by a SCUD, wasn’t it?
We wouldn’t hestate to give PHs to office jocks in the Green Zone if Dr. Hasan when crazy there — so I am not sure what difference it being Texas makes.
911 military vicims got one....
Bob Gates needs to step up or resign...
Why do we even have to ask and why does a congressman have to do something that Bob Gates should have done from day one and Where the hell is the media on this? ....
Has D.C. Bob even been asked?
>If they get the Purple Heart, that means they were wounded in combat. If they were wounded in combat, psycho-doc was an enemy combatant, not a psycho-doc. If Obambi vetos the Purple Heart bill, he looks like crap. If he signs it, there was a terrorist attack on US soil, and he looks worse. Obama: Is there some way I can vote present?<
Quite the pickle.
I disdain your euphemism of REMF. Any idea how many REMF died supporting the “real” combat heros?
A REMF, as you put it, puts his azz on the line, too, and many are killed by doing so.
You denigrate these good men and women who worked to allow our actual combat forces to perform their work.
No way in HELL these people should be considered for a purple heart. ONLY those wounded by an enemy of America....oh, wait......
Dont let Obama turn Purple Hearts into a Commercial product...photo op....he has not real understanding of what a Purple Heart stands for....this is my fear...he will dole them out without real conviction.
Call your congress critters and get them behind this~!
Do you really think this bill will ever get to his desk?
My take on this is that if the Purple Hearts are awarded that means this was in fact a terrorist attack. By awarding these medals, Obama would be conceding that Dick Cheney was right when hs said we, as a nation, are less safe today than we were under the Bush administration.
On the other hand, I'd hate to be the congress critter that votes no on this effort. There will have to be some rule implemented that keep this bill from ever seeing the light of day.
You’ll post pics of the front lines as soon as they are ready, won’t you?