Posted on 11/18/2009 11:29:52 AM PST by Jeb21
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid prepared to unveil long-awaited healthcare overhaul legislation on Wednesday, with the first test vote on the package expected by the end of the week.
The healthcare reform bill, President Barack Obama's top domestic priority, has been delayed in the Senate for weeks as Reid waited for cost estimates and searched for an approach that can win the 60 votes needed to overcome Republican procedural hurdles.
Senate Democrats have scheduled a 5 p.m. EST meeting in which Reid will brief them on the bill, and on the cost estimates provided by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
The bill's release would clear the way for a vote on Friday or Saturday by the full chamber on whether to proceed to debate on the measure -- the first key procedural hurdle for the Senate plan.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
But...but Obama said we have to reduce the debt or we will see a double dip recession...
Dhimmis, never saw a program they would not vote for..
Liberal pipe dreams. And yes, I mean Dirty Harry and the rest have been smoking the weed deeply and heavily. Along with Barry, our First Toker in Chief.
The real bill is being written behind closed doors in the Capitol by the Senate Majority Leadership and the White House.
http://utahpolicy.com/press_release/hatch-blasts-health-care-reform-bills-before-congress
Unveil? Oh, goody. Transparency at last /s!
BS...how many "meetings" have they had with Owebama and/or Rahm.
Betting pool: $1 buy in for how many pages in the Senate bill. Closest +/- wins the pot.
Any bets under 1000 pages will be thrown out.
While they are unveiling with one hand they better be packing up with the other and after they are voted out of office all should be investigated - espically Frick and Frack (Pelosi & Reid)!
“liberal pipe dreams”
I think fascist super-Romneycare has a good chance of passing. There is little outrage in the so-called “conservative” opposition. Little, that is, after the phony public option “threat” fell away. Once that went, mostly crickets.
There are the Rushbots who got whipped up into a frenzy to be misled about the real bill. But I concluded there are a lot of self-identified conservatives who are really economic fascists, they love anything that enriches their business cult CEO idols. The health bill is a public/private partnership with the federal government working as tax collector/jailer for those who do not buy insurance. These people do not mind the idea of their tax money going to private companies, with a skim kicked back to the politicians as campaign contributions and otherwise, in order to buy insurance for other people.
What!? Before they vote on it???
2,343
But that’s only at the moment of release. It will have 647 pages added over the first night.
Anyone else here smell a bait-and-switch coming?
Whoa going big are ya :)
I’m not sure it will crack 2K but will be up there.
It doesn’t matter what we want or don’t want.
It doesn’t matter what is good or bad for our country.
It doesn’t matter how many American lives are lost or destroyed over this.
It doesn’t matter what the constitution says about all or any of this.
The criminal enterprise in DC is going to do anything they damn well want.
I wish each and every traitor that votes for this travesty, complete political and personal destruction.
No apologies, no excuses, no second thoughts... you vote for it or don’t vote against it, you are politically dead.
Damn them all.
Fine print: This of course for you... me and Congress of course... are exempt!
Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."
That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?
Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.
Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.
Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.
TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393
So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."
HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.
I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.
Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin
Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right
Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal
To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right
OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH
Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy
Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)
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