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Senate Democrats plan to unveil healthcare bill
Reuters ^ | 11/18/09 | John Whitesides

Posted on 11/18/2009 11:29:52 AM PST by Jeb21

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid prepared to unveil long-awaited healthcare overhaul legislation on Wednesday, with the first test vote on the package expected by the end of the week.

The healthcare reform bill, President Barack Obama's top domestic priority, has been delayed in the Senate for weeks as Reid waited for cost estimates and searched for an approach that can win the 60 votes needed to overcome Republican procedural hurdles.

Senate Democrats have scheduled a 5 p.m. EST meeting in which Reid will brief them on the bill, and on the cost estimates provided by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

The bill's release would clear the way for a vote on Friday or Saturday by the full chamber on whether to proceed to debate on the measure -- the first key procedural hurdle for the Senate plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; obamacare; reid; socialisttakeover; socializedmedicine
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Here it comes.
1 posted on 11/18/2009 11:29:56 AM PST by Jeb21
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To: Jeb21

But...but Obama said we have to reduce the debt or we will see a double dip recession...

Dhimmis, never saw a program they would not vote for..


2 posted on 11/18/2009 11:32:59 AM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Jeb21

Liberal pipe dreams. And yes, I mean Dirty Harry and the rest have been smoking the weed deeply and heavily. Along with Barry, our First Toker in Chief.


3 posted on 11/18/2009 11:34:02 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Jeb21

Senate Democrats plan to unveil healthcare bill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ40cIK7-wA


4 posted on 11/18/2009 11:36:52 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Jeb21

The real bill is being written behind closed doors in the Capitol by the Senate Majority Leadership and the White House.

http://utahpolicy.com/press_release/hatch-blasts-health-care-reform-bills-before-congress


5 posted on 11/18/2009 11:38:48 AM PST by Pete (exponential problems require exponential solutions : 29thday.org)
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To: Jeb21

6 posted on 11/18/2009 11:40:34 AM PST by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: Jeb21

Unveil? Oh, goody. Transparency at last /s!


7 posted on 11/18/2009 11:40:48 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Jeb21
cost estimates provided by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

BS...how many "meetings" have they had with Owebama and/or Rahm.

8 posted on 11/18/2009 11:41:16 AM PST by demsux
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To: Jeb21

Betting pool: $1 buy in for how many pages in the Senate bill. Closest +/- wins the pot.

Any bets under 1000 pages will be thrown out.


9 posted on 11/18/2009 11:44:37 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: Kartographer

While they are unveiling with one hand they better be packing up with the other and after they are voted out of office all should be investigated - espically Frick and Frack (Pelosi & Reid)!


10 posted on 11/18/2009 11:44:59 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Secret Agent Man

“liberal pipe dreams”

I think fascist super-Romneycare has a good chance of passing. There is little outrage in the so-called “conservative” opposition. Little, that is, after the phony public option “threat” fell away. Once that went, mostly crickets.

There are the Rushbots who got whipped up into a frenzy to be misled about the real bill. But I concluded there are a lot of self-identified conservatives who are really economic fascists, they love anything that enriches their business cult CEO idols. The health bill is a public/private partnership with the federal government working as tax collector/jailer for those who do not buy insurance. These people do not mind the idea of their tax money going to private companies, with a skim kicked back to the politicians as campaign contributions and otherwise, in order to buy insurance for other people.


11 posted on 11/18/2009 11:46:50 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Jeb21

What!? Before they vote on it???


12 posted on 11/18/2009 11:48:15 AM PST by oldbill
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To: Domandred

2,343

But that’s only at the moment of release. It will have 647 pages added over the first night.


13 posted on 11/18/2009 11:52:04 AM PST by oldbill
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To: Pete

Anyone else here smell a bait-and-switch coming?


14 posted on 11/18/2009 11:58:22 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Shermy
Quite the posting history you have. Your obvious hate of capitalism makes one wonder why you are here on a conservative new forum?
15 posted on 11/18/2009 12:14:09 PM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Shermy

For the whole series of Zero dollar bills, go here:

"Flickr Archive of Zero Bills"

16 posted on 11/18/2009 12:18:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: oldbill

Whoa going big are ya :)

I’m not sure it will crack 2K but will be up there.


17 posted on 11/18/2009 12:20:03 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: Jeb21

It doesn’t matter what we want or don’t want.

It doesn’t matter what is good or bad for our country.

It doesn’t matter how many American lives are lost or destroyed over this.

It doesn’t matter what the constitution says about all or any of this.

The criminal enterprise in DC is going to do anything they damn well want.

I wish each and every traitor that votes for this travesty, complete political and personal destruction.

No apologies, no excuses, no second thoughts... you vote for it or don’t vote against it, you are politically dead.

Damn them all.


18 posted on 11/18/2009 12:23:31 PM PST by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: Gator113
Fine print: This of course for you... me and Congress of course... are exempt!
19 posted on 11/18/2009 12:43:41 PM PST by FiddlePig (truth is hard... lies are easy - http://redneckoblogger.blogspot.com)
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To: Jeb21
Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

20 posted on 11/18/2009 2:03:56 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: Jeb21; SwinneySwitch; Prince of Space; Sun; NormsRevenge; Billthedrill; Coldwater Creek; kitkat; ...
ACTION ALERT ON THE SENATE NOW


The Senate must be persuaded to stop, block, filibuster, the Health Care Reform. The following are considered key Senators: people who will go either way.

Reid has NO margin for error: he has to get ALL 60 Dems in order to put the bill on the floor.

Here's the key concept: Urge these Senators to Vote No on any "procedural vote" to "move to the health bill."

This will happen Friday or Saturday!
We don't want the bill even to make it to the floor!


Click! Click! Click!
Clickable U.S. Senate Constituent Message Links


Here’s info you can use if you need local constituent city and zip codes to get past their email message filters.


Ben Nelson (D NE)
Strong abortion opponent …Against Big Government, the "public option"…Fiscal conservative…Quote: "Faced with a decision about whether or not to move a bill that is bad, I won't vote to move it," he told ABC News. "For sure."
Use: City Omaha, Zip Code 68108 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (402)

Blanche Lincoln (D Ark)
Member of the Senate Finance Committee…Voted twice against making the "public option" part of the bill…Facing tough re-election, eager to display her conservative credentials in a state that was handily carried by Sen. John McCain… probably won't even agree to let the bill be debated on the Senate floor.
Use: City Little Rock, Zip Code 72291 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (501)

Joe Lieberman (I CT)
Independent but caucuses with the Democrats… has threatened to filibuster against public option. ..Quote: “I would use the power I have as a single senator to stop a final vote," he said in a recent televised interview.
Use City Hartford, Zip Code 06160 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (860)

Sen. Susan Collins (R Maine)
Could go either way…One of just three Republican lawmakers to cross party lines and vote for the Recovery Act (a.k.a. Federal Stimulus Package) …voted in favor of the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act (H.R. 2)…but although pro-“reform”, she is on record as being against (quote) "billions of dollars in new taxes and fees that will drive up the cost of health insurance premiums." The whole bill should be re-written, Collins said, according to the New York Times.
Use City Augusta, Zip Code 04330 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (207)

Robert Casey (D PA)
On record as an opponent of abortion, from a very pro-life district…
Use City Erie, Zip Code 16501 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (814)

Evan Bayh (D IN)
Concerned about tax on medical-device makers in the current legislation…Indiana is the third-biggest state for jobs in the medical device sector, with currently some 63,000 Indiana residents working in that field….Quote: "I want to know what works for families and small businesses."
Bayh says medical devices fee would "seriously threaten thousands of American jobs and deter innovation in the industry."
Use city Indianapolis, Zip Code 46201 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (317)

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D LA)
Often “on the fence” about issues…Mixed voting record on Abortion, rated 43% by NARAL (pro-abortion) and 50% by NRLC (pro-life)…Favors letting some states try "trigger" mechanisms that would create a public option if residents don't have enough insurance choices (needs to be vehemently argued out of this fallback position)…Quote "I'm not for a government-run, national, taxpayer-subsidized plan, and never will be."
Use city New Orleans, Zip Code 70141 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (504)

Roland Burris (D IL)
A bit quirky and cantankerous, Burris' willingness to bend could prove crucial if Reid needs every possible vote in crafting a compromise, such as a national public option that is triggered if certain insurance availability targets aren't met. Or might favor a public option “offered by states, not feds.” Or “might” be pushed to favor no on the bill altogether. Push him to say NO, JUST NO! At age 72, Burris has virtually nothing to lose by defying his party's leaders and voting as he pleases.
Use city Kankakee, Zip Code 60901 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (815)


Reid does not plan on keeping the "Stupak-Pitts" pro-life amendment in the Senate version of the bill. He is expected to take up the House bill, and then replace it with a "Senate substitute" which will fund elective abortions. He is also in hot water about the "public option," with some Dem Senators saying they won't vote for the bill WITH public option, and some (on the Left) saying they won't vote for the bill WITHOUT it.

This is our chance to stop it dead.

21 posted on 11/18/2009 2:20:03 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West" - Aragorn)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for gathering the info and sharing it, to make it so much easier for us to take action.


22 posted on 11/18/2009 2:27:16 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you for the list.


23 posted on 11/18/2009 2:28:03 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

BTTT


24 posted on 11/18/2009 2:36:15 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks, I sent my comments to Bayh.


25 posted on 11/18/2009 2:36:25 PM PST by jaydubya2
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To: rabscuttle385; mkjessup; Landru; Liz

Series P I N G


26 posted on 11/18/2009 2:38:32 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; Landru; Liz

Take 20 minutes tomorrow to call these politicians tomorrow, and let them know how we feel about bringing Politboro Medicine to the Floor.

Mrs. Don-0 made it easy for us.


27 posted on 11/18/2009 2:41:40 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Reid just may find all his efforts to push this crap through will meet in defeat within the week. It appears no one is bringing out the options regarding a path to nationalize a huge mass of illegal immigrants so that they can have eventual set of guidelines that will allow many of them to probably get free health care, while the majority of us support the whole system by paying hire health insurance premiums.
2010 is going to be a messy time for a lot of the goons on the Hill.
28 posted on 11/18/2009 2:43:42 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

bttt


29 posted on 11/18/2009 2:47:47 PM PST by kcvl
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30 posted on 11/18/2009 2:50:35 PM PST by devolve ( . "I would caution you against jumping to contusions!" - Barack Hasan Osama Junior - mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Jeb21

bump and thanks


31 posted on 11/18/2009 2:57:48 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: Jeb21
Bend over.Here it comes.

There, fixed it.

32 posted on 11/18/2009 3:05:42 PM PST by b4its2late (Before you can control a horse, you have to break it. Sound familiar?)
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To: Domandred

2999,they will want to keep it under 3000.


33 posted on 11/18/2009 3:10:28 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: b4its2late

They have the votes it is going to pass. Lets hope that the GOP gives them NO cover !!


34 posted on 11/18/2009 3:11:35 PM PST by italianquaker (“Every inch of this Administration is rife with corruption and cronyism.” --- Michelle Malkin)
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To: Jeb21

Remember the scene from Frankenstein where he pulls back the veil and screams “It’s alive!”


35 posted on 11/18/2009 3:17:45 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Jeb21

Pelosi or some other chump will trot out on a mule with a big sign “free health care for everyone!”


36 posted on 11/18/2009 3:18:30 PM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: Pete

Of course it was written BEHIND CLOSED DOORS!

While they floated news stories that it was DOA. I predicted this. Forrest Gump could have predicted this.


37 posted on 11/18/2009 3:19:16 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Soothesayer9

Oh they will brag and say such crap but will the media call them to the carpet for saying it was DOA while they were secretly working on it behind closed doors? Or did the media KNOW and were covering for them? They are insane!!! Every day is a nightmare.


38 posted on 11/18/2009 3:21:46 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Jeb21

Last night on FOX TV (of course, as the other outlets would never inform the public) they were talking about how they need 60 votes to get it to committee where it will have tons of additions and deletions then back to the floor were it will only need 51 votes to become law. Folks call your Senators tomorrow, tell then to KILL THE BILL. It needs to be stopped NOW!!!!

CALL!!!!!!


39 posted on 11/18/2009 3:23:36 PM PST by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: Jeb21

Last night on FOX TV (of course, as the other outlets would never inform the public) they were talking about how they need 60 votes to get it to committee where it will have tons of additions and deletions then back to the floor were it will only need 51 votes to become law. Folks call your Senators tomorrow, tell them to KILL THE BILL. It needs to be stopped NOW!!!!

CALL!!!!!!


40 posted on 11/18/2009 3:24:01 PM PST by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: Jeb21
Here it comes.


41 posted on 11/18/2009 3:27:58 PM PST by 444Flyer (We will not stand down! Psalm 34:7)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
"Of course it was written BEHIND CLOSED DOORS!

While they floated news stories that it was DOA."

THEY LIE!!!


42 posted on 11/18/2009 3:30:20 PM PST by 444Flyer (We will not stand down! Psalm 34:7)
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To: italianquaker; refermech; b4its2late; henkster; willgolfforfood; HospiceNurse; Huskrrrr; ...
They do NOT have the votes. We can push on the Dem wobblies, and this bill will screech to a halt.


ACTION ALERT ON THE SENATE NOW


A mere handful of wobbling Democratic Senators must be persuaded to stop, block, filibuster, the Health Care Reform. The following are considered key Senators: people who will go either way.

Reid has NO margin for error: he has to get ALL 60 Dems in order to put the bill on the floor.

Here's the key concept: Urge these Senators to Vote No on any "procedural vote" to "move to the health bill."

This will happen Friday or Saturday!
We don't want the bill even to make it to the floor!


Click! Click! Click!
Clickable U.S. Senate Constituent Message Links


Here’s info you can use if you need local constituent city and zip codes to get past their email message filters.


Ben Nelson (D NE)
Strong abortion opponent …Against Big Government, the "public option"…Fiscal conservative…Quote: "Faced with a decision about whether or not to move a bill that is bad, I won't vote to move it," he told ABC News. "For sure."
Use: City Omaha, Zip Code 68108 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (402)

Blanche Lincoln (D Ark)
Member of the Senate Finance Committee…Voted twice against making the "public option" part of the bill…Facing tough re-election, eager to display her conservative credentials in a state that was handily carried by Sen. John McCain… probably won't even agree to let the bill be debated on the Senate floor.
Use: City Little Rock, Zip Code 72291 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (501)

Joe Lieberman (I CT)
Independent but caucuses with the Democrats… has threatened to filibuster against public option. ..Quote: “I would use the power I have as a single senator to stop a final vote," he said in a recent televised interview.
Use City Hartford, Zip Code 06160 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (860)

Sen. Susan Collins (R Maine)
Could go either way…One of just three Republican lawmakers to cross party lines and vote for the Recovery Act (a.k.a. Federal Stimulus Package) …voted in favor of the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act (H.R. 2)…but although pro-“reform”, she is on record as being against (quote) "billions of dollars in new taxes and fees that will drive up the cost of health insurance premiums." The whole bill should be re-written, Collins said, according to the New York Times.
Use City Augusta, Zip Code 04330 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (207)

Robert Casey (D PA)
On record as an opponent of abortion, from a very pro-life district…
Use City Erie, Zip Code 16501 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (814)

Evan Bayh (D IN)
Concerned about tax on medical-device makers in the current legislation…Indiana is the third-biggest state for jobs in the medical device sector, with currently some 63,000 Indiana residents working in that field….Quote: "I want to know what works for families and small businesses."
Bayh says medical devices fee would "seriously threaten thousands of American jobs and deter innovation in the industry."
Use city Indianapolis, Zip Code 46201 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (317)

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D LA)
Often “on the fence” about issues…Mixed voting record on Abortion, rated 43% by NARAL (pro-abortion) and 50% by NRLC (pro-life)…Favors letting some states try "trigger" mechanisms that would create a public option if residents don't have enough insurance choices (needs to be vehemently argued out of this fallback position)…Quote "I'm not for a government-run, national, taxpayer-subsidized plan, and never will be."
Use city New Orleans, Zip Code 70141 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (504)

Roland Burris (D IL)
A bit quirky and cantankerous, Burris' willingness to bend could prove crucial if Reid needs every possible vote in crafting a compromise, such as a national public option that is triggered if certain insurance availability targets aren't met. Or might favor a public option “offered by states, not feds.” Or “might” be pushed to favor no on the bill altogether. Push him to say NO, JUST NO! At age 72, Burris has virtually nothing to lose by defying his party's leaders and voting as he pleases.
Use city Kankakee, Zip Code 60901 (plus any 4 digits), Area Code (815)


Reid does not plan on keeping the "Stupak-Pitts" pro-life amendment in the Senate version of the bill. He is expected to take up the House bill, and then replace it with a "Senate substitute" which will fund elective abortions. He is also in hot water about the "public option," with some Dem Senators saying they won't vote for the bill WITH public option, and some (on the Left) saying they won't vote for the bill WITHOUT it.

This is our chance to stop it dead.

43 posted on 11/18/2009 3:38:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West" - Aragorn)
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To: Jeb21

Reid talking now. The American people have spoken and the Senate is deaf and dumb! The dimlylits are going to break us!


44 posted on 11/18/2009 3:40:59 PM PST by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Bushbacker1

Good gosh, he has NO speaking skills. Of course, it’s hard to speak well when you’re spouting B.S. Haha, Fox just cut him off.


45 posted on 11/18/2009 3:42:44 PM PST by McLynnan
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To: Jeb21

This is all one big con job, lies, all lies.

Look at the stage...only a couple of those people were even in the room.

I heard that each state will be REQUIRED to offer a policy with abortion coverage.


46 posted on 11/18/2009 3:42:51 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: Shermy

Yep. They sacrifice us so the Crats won’t have health care for an issue anymore. Then whine cause we won’t support RINOS. Ughhh! They make me sick.


47 posted on 11/18/2009 3:43:39 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: SatinDoll

I smell us getting screwed over with delight if this mass of garbage makes it to conference.


48 posted on 11/18/2009 3:43:39 PM PST by cranked
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To: Jeb21

Reid is standing there telling us the CBO is now saying it will cost $849B, but won’t add ONE DIME to the deficit. I hope this bold-faced liar rots in hell.


49 posted on 11/18/2009 3:45:30 PM PST by Wisconsinlady
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks !!!


50 posted on 11/18/2009 3:59:48 PM PST by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLEN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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