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ACLU wants end to graduations at church
WTNH ^

Posted on 11/18/2009 2:18:21 PM PST by surroundedinCT

Enfield (WTNH) - The ACLU of Connecticut is warning the Enfield school board to stop holding graduation ceremonies at a Bloomfield megachurch, claiming the graduates and their families are unconstitutionally being subjected to religious messages.

(Excerpt) Read more at wtnh.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aclu; commencements; lawsuit; megachurch; publicschools
My first thread post, sorry if I did it wrong. Thought CT freepers would be interested. Constructive criticism welcome! Thank you in advance.
1 posted on 11/18/2009 2:18:21 PM PST by surroundedinCT
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To: surroundedinCT

Great job-thanks for the info!


2 posted on 11/18/2009 2:20:56 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: surroundedinCT

When will the people of this country say enough is enough on this type of crap.


3 posted on 11/18/2009 2:21:23 PM PST by bestintxas
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To: surroundedinCT

Where was the ACLU when Nidal Hasan subjected numerous U.S. Army personnel to religious messages? (Long before he decided to shoot the troops, that is.)


4 posted on 11/18/2009 2:22:14 PM PST by hellbender
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To: surroundedinCT
My first thread post, sorry if I did it wrong

A virgin no more! How's it feel?

Lol

But seriesly. You did good. I noticed it was an AP article, so it had to be excerpted. Which you did.

I woulda added a little more. I always try to max out the excerpt.

5 posted on 11/18/2009 2:22:32 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Ack, is that the site with "Responsibility2nd"? Some weirdo. ...)
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To: surroundedinCT
I think the ALCU needs to re-read the Constitution. The Constitution prevents the Gov't from creating a state sponsored church; it explictly forbids the Gov't from exercising an infaction of the free practicing of worship.

I have yet to attend a non-Military graduation, where attendance was manditory.

6 posted on 11/18/2009 2:22:48 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: surroundedinCT

Can the ACLU be sued? Or does it take an act of congress to deal with the organization? They have become very oppressive to christians.


7 posted on 11/18/2009 2:23:47 PM PST by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: surroundedinCT

Can someone please point out where in the Constitution there is a right to be free from “religous messages”? I’m pretty sure the Fed is not involved here and my understanding the Constitution limits the Feds power it does not enumerate our rights (or non-rights if you are the ACLU).

This should get taken all the way to the SCOTUS so this crap can end forever.


8 posted on 11/18/2009 2:25:01 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: surroundedinCT

Can someone please point out where in the Constitution there is a right to be free from “religous messages”? I’m pretty sure the Fed is not involved here and my understanding the Constitution limits the Feds power it does not enumerate our rights (or non-rights if you are the ACLU).

This should get taken all the way to the SCOTUS so this crap can end forever.


9 posted on 11/18/2009 2:25:09 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Responsibility2nd

Didn’t hurt as much as I thought it would.

I wasn’t sure if I should put copyright AP? Thanks for the tip!


10 posted on 11/18/2009 2:25:11 PM PST by surroundedinCT
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To: surroundedinCT
Good Lord. Um, so to speak.

It seems to me that if an atheist attends a graduation ceremony in a church and is thereby enticed into the eeeeevil clutches of Jesus, his atheism was pretty weak to begin with.

11 posted on 11/18/2009 2:25:49 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (Now with ConstructionCam! Click on my name and follow the progress.)
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To: surroundedinCT

What does “Congress shall make no law” have to do with this, with school prayer, with high school football games, etc.?


12 posted on 11/18/2009 2:26:07 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Veyitten-lekha Ha'Eloqim mital hashamayim umishmanney ha'aretz; verov dagan vetirosh.)
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To: surroundedinCT

These people are insane, but people keep giving into them because they have deep pockets. They have the same mind set as a old maid who makes you take off your shoes and put on slippers when you walk through the door.


13 posted on 11/18/2009 2:27:16 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Hodar

“The Constitution prevents the Gov’t from creating a state sponsored church...”

And what does that look like when it is happening?


14 posted on 11/18/2009 2:28:17 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at its root.")
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To: RockyMtnMan

Would you object of the graduation was held in a a Mosque?


15 posted on 11/18/2009 2:29:24 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at its root.")
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To: surroundedinCT
Sheesh! You need to understand where you went wrong on this post:

The ACLU is GOOD - it's CT that's bad!.

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Great post.

16 posted on 11/18/2009 2:30:18 PM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: surroundedinCT

I want an end to the ACLU.


17 posted on 11/18/2009 2:32:55 PM PST by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: surroundedinCT

The word limit is 300. If you exceed the limit, your submission will be rejected until you trim it to the appropriate length. I usually past a fair chunk and then reduce it as need be.


18 posted on 11/18/2009 2:33:52 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Bob J

No I wouldn’t also the Mosque would likely object to me. I don’t see where it’s relevant to the Constitution or Federal Government. That would be between the students and the school.


19 posted on 11/18/2009 2:34:26 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: swheats
Can the ACLU be sued? Or does it take an act of congress to deal with the organization? They have become very oppressive to christians.

if the ACLU did this against another religion, they would be considered a hate group.

20 posted on 11/18/2009 2:35:42 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: surroundedinCT
In most towns, especially small ones, the local churches are exempt from property taxes. In exchange they allow the townships to use the auditoriums for such things as graduations, school board meetings, voting, etc.

The ACLU is crapping on everyone's leg with this.

21 posted on 11/18/2009 2:36:15 PM PST by groanup
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To: kevinm13
"I want an end to the ACLU."

Oh yes. Any good American; anyone with a brain thinks the same way towards the ACLU. They are a scourge on the American landscape.

22 posted on 11/18/2009 2:37:21 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: RockyMtnMan
Can someone please point out where in the Constitution there is a right to be free from “religous messages”?

Making the kids go to a church would be a clear violation of the 1A. More accurately, making them go to church services would be a violation. For their purposes this is just another building.

So what's the problem? That they may see religious symbols or messages? You can get that on the billboards on the way to a field trip. Do field trips now violate the 1A?

Besides, megachurches are basically just big businesses anyway. IMHO, there's not much really religious about them.

23 posted on 11/18/2009 2:40:38 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bob J
And what does that look like when it is happening?

It looks like congressmen voting on a proposal in the house, and then sending it over to the senate for debate where it is voted on there as well. Then, once both house and senate have voted in favor of the proposal, the affirmed bill is sent to the president for his signature (or veto). Once the president signs it, then voila, you have an official established religion. Depending on the implementing legislation, other religions would lose their tax exempt status, or their property confiscated, etc.

It doesn't remotely resemble a high school using a church facility to hold its graduation ceremony.

24 posted on 11/18/2009 2:42:01 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: surroundedinCT

I bet that nearly all the ACLU members have been exposed to religion in their life times. Either their parents took them to church, or they prayed in school. And, instead of being indoctrinated by the Christians, just the opposite seems to have happened. If Christianity didn’t hurt them, why do they insist it is corrupting our children? Who has actually been hurt by being subjected to the word, “Jesus”? And, why does God offend them, while giving a pass to someone yelling, Allah Akbar? There is no consistency with the ACLU, except that it’s consistently harassing Christians.


25 posted on 11/18/2009 2:44:15 PM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Bob J
And what does that look like when it is happening?

The Gov't takes your tax money, and gives it to a particular denomination. The church clergy are Gov't employees, with full benefits, and the property the church sits on belongs to the state. The state then dictates the message set forth by that church.

26 posted on 11/18/2009 2:44:55 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
The Fed is barred from promoting a religion and I suppose they can tell schools not to do so in exchange for taxpayer dollars. That said there is no such thing as "freedom from religion". Private businesses and individuals can "preach" all they want.

If the school took public cash (from the Fed) then they made a deal with the devil. Unless of course it was state cash and the state has no such restriction.

27 posted on 11/18/2009 2:47:13 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: NoRedTape

I was talking with my ten year old about the ACLU a couple of weeks back. I said they defended ONE persons “right” to not be offended over a cross but then they defend one person’s “right” to do something that offends a whole town.
I told her about the naked pumpkin run where the ACLU sued a town so that a group of people could run naked on Halloween with a carved out pumpkin on their head.
My daughter said “Mom, why would anyone want to run through town naked” and I said “yeah really and with a pumpkin on their head?” To which she replied “If you had to run naked through town wouldn’t you want a pumpkin on your head”. She has a VERY good point!


28 posted on 11/18/2009 3:04:07 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: surroundedinCT
When will the people of this Nation stop giving the children of Hitler and Stalin money to destroy our country? The ACLU is a Communist/Nazi organizations and was organized and started to destroy the United States. Doing a Hitler/Stalin job with our tax money in completing their goal.
29 posted on 11/18/2009 3:08:36 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Royal 100 Club is Acting the Same as the Roman Senate When the Republic Collapsed)
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To: RockyMtnMan

“That would be between the students and the school.”

So if 51% of the students were Muslim and 49% Christian, you’d be okay with holding it in a Mosque? You know, if that was what was worked out between the students and the school?


30 posted on 11/18/2009 3:13:16 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at its root.")
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To: swheats

For interference with we the people worshiping the way we see fit!


31 posted on 11/18/2009 3:15:36 PM PST by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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