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Senate vote today, November 19th: Disabled vets care versus subsidies for the UN bureaucracy
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Posted on 11/18/2009 2:20:39 PM PST by Ooh-Ah

Edited on 11/18/2009 2:29:33 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Contact your Senators and let them know what you think!

Tomorrow morning the Senate will choose between funding care for disabled
U.S. veterans or subsidies for United Nations (U.N.) bureaucracy.

At issue is S. 1963, the Caregiver and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act,
which would authorize caregiver assistance to veterans disabled since

September 11, 2001. The bill is not paid for, does not provide immediate
assistance, and denies benefits to veterans of conflicts prior to 9/11.

Senator Tom Coburn is offering an amendment (#2785, attached) that would:

1) Make all disabled veterans eligible for the benefit, regardless of
the war in which they were injured;

2) Pay for the new benefits by reducing U.S. contributions to the
U.N.;

and

3) Ensure that the promised benefits become available immediately.

If the Senate rejects the Coburn amendment:

 1) Tens of thousands of veterans who have required caregiver assistance
for decades will be denied the benefits offered to other veterans by this
bill;

2) The national debt, which just reached $12 trillion, would be
increased by more than $3.7 billion to pay for the bill because it contains
no offset for the costs of the new benefits;

and

3) The benefits promised will not be available for at least a year or
more, because the bill provides no immediate funding and the Senate has
already passed the appropriations bill that provides funding for the
Department of Veterans Affairs for the next year without including any
funding for this program.

Earlier this week, the Senate defeated a motion offered by Senator Coburn to
provide funding for veterans caregiver assistance by eliminating
congressional earmarks not requested by the Commander-in-Chief funded by the
Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act.


(The vote tally is available HERE).


Senate Democrats held a press conference just last week where they stated
no price is too high <http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/1007620.html to
care for our veterans. While those same Senators a week later voted
against paying the price of care for our veterans with their earmarks, tomorrow
they will have another chance to pay that price with a reduction in payments to
the U.N.



The U.S. government sends over $4 billion a year in taxpayer dollars to
the U.N. with little or no accountability. The U.N. cannot account for tens
of millions spent in Afghanistan on the recent fraudulent election, with most
of the funding coming from the U.S. In one instance, the United Nations
Development Program paid $6.8 million for transportation costs in areas
where no U.N. officials were present. The U.N. procurement task force

found that 43 percent of all U.N. procurement is tainted by fraud, waste, and
abuse. In one year this amounts to over $630 million. The United Nations
headquarters renovation is already $800 million over its initial estimated
price, with U.S. paying the highest amount of any nation for each cost
overrun. The Oil for Food program run at the U.N. provided at least $7.4
billion in illicit revenues to Saddam Hussein's government.



Clearly, providing much needed care to all disabled veterans who
sacrificed to protect our nation and secure peace abroad should be
a higher priority than dumping more money into the bloated and
mismanaged U.N. bureaucracy.


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1 posted on 11/18/2009 2:20:43 PM PST by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah
Bad link for (The vote tally is available HERE) should be: HERE
2 posted on 11/18/2009 2:31:00 PM PST by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah

Good for Coburn; that is what he needs to do. Defund the Left and turn the funds over to the VA; SOME of that money will be used to help veterans.


3 posted on 11/18/2009 3:19:10 PM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: Ooh-Ah; 444Flyer; ~Kim4VRWC's~; HollyB; Saoirise; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; Candor7; Jet Jaguar; LucyT; ..

Support Our troops PING!
I note with sadness that the one and only response to this thread was at least 4 hours ago.
Almost everyone on Free Republic is in strong support of our troops. This needs way more attention.


4 posted on 11/18/2009 3:56:43 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: MestaMachine

BTTT!


5 posted on 11/18/2009 4:16:53 PM PST by 444Flyer (We will not stand down! Psalm 34:7)
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To: Ooh-Ah; MestaMachine
Clearly, providing much needed care to all disabled veterans who sacrificed to protect our nation and secure peace abroad should be a higher priority than dumping more money into the bloated and mismanaged U.N. bureaucracy.

Let's continue to care for them. To heck with the U.N., our disabled Vets come first!


6 posted on 11/18/2009 4:34:08 PM PST by 444Flyer (We will not stand down! Psalm 34:7)
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7 posted on 11/18/2009 5:26:23 PM PST by devolve ( "I would caution you against saying 10.24% unemployment!" - Barack Hasan Osama Junior mmm mmm mmm)
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8 posted on 11/18/2009 5:33:15 PM PST by devolve ( "I would caution you against saying 10.24% unemployment!" - Barack Hasan Osama Junior mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Ooh-Ah

The Commie’s currently running the show in D.C. have their heads in clouds of Globalist gases, and are breathing deeply. Their high is their own self importance in all matters pertaining to the ideology attached to the One World scenario, and their Commie agenda.

2010 we must reach up and pull the chain to flush the Congressional bowl of all the Leftists up for election, and in 2012 we must continue pulling the chain to ensure all of the Leftist gasbags are flushed from the system. Some will remain for 2016, and we must flush them from the system as well. Not a speck of the Leftist residue must remain in the Congressional Bowl. Democrats, Progressives, Greenies, RINO’s. If it’s Left it must go.

Perhaps then we can get this Nation under control, and the Hell out of the useless UN.


9 posted on 11/18/2009 5:46:01 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: devolve; LucyT; ExTexasRedhead; 444Flyer; All

I am still a little surprised. We need phone calls asap. People read but do they DO anything?
This is important. It’s easy to pay lip service. Support means SUPPORT. PLEASE, y’all. Call the number!
We owe these guys and gals eveything. The UN is anti-American on its face. I would prefer they get NOTHING from us, but if a few of our dollars can be subtracted from funding them and used to fund those who probably did more for the UN participants than the UN ever has, this needs our support and it needs it now.


10 posted on 11/18/2009 5:54:16 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: Ooh-Ah

What does it take before the United States wakes up and realizes the UN is more of a burden than its worth. Time to get out of the UN.


11 posted on 11/18/2009 6:40:36 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: MestaMachine; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; ...
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We need phone calls asap. People read but do they DO anything?

This is important. It’s easy to pay lip service. Support means SUPPORT. PLEASE, y’all. Call the number!

This is important... please call your Senators, and let them know what you think.

12 posted on 11/18/2009 6:52:37 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT
Tomorrow morning the Senate will choose between funding care for disabled U.S. veterans or subsidies for United Nations (U.N.) bureaucracy.

It is beyond DISGUSTING that they should even have to *choose*.

I will make that call.

13 posted on 11/18/2009 7:09:48 PM PST by azishot
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To: LucyT; 444Flyer

Thank you, LucyT, and 444Flier. We WANT THIS!!!!


14 posted on 11/18/2009 7:12:51 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: MestaMachine

I haven’t really been online much the past few days. I have passed it along via emails. And bump!


15 posted on 11/18/2009 7:14:31 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: azishot

Thank you, azishot. I called earlier, several times from both telephone numbers. LOL


16 posted on 11/18/2009 7:15:36 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

I know. I missed ya. Thanks for passing it on. WE WANT THIS!!!!


17 posted on 11/18/2009 7:16:35 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: devolve

I bet if jim rob took a poll on threads where there were few comments, but call for action..percentage of people who took action would be high. I am surprised there haven’t bumps by the activists though.


18 posted on 11/18/2009 7:18:37 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: LucyT; MestaMachine
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19 posted on 11/18/2009 7:19:38 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Amen!!!


20 posted on 11/18/2009 7:21:45 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Click to add front page to the “topic” and check all of the states. That will increase exposure to the thread 100 fold.


21 posted on 11/18/2009 7:22:00 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Nevermind I’ll get on computer and do it real fast.


22 posted on 11/18/2009 7:22:41 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

See. WE BE THE ACTIVISTS! That’s what I’m talkin’ about.


23 posted on 11/18/2009 7:24:39 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: MestaMachine

Done..it’s on the front page and all of the state pages.


24 posted on 11/18/2009 7:32:26 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: MestaMachine

and editiorial and extended news.. Gotta go bump!


25 posted on 11/18/2009 7:36:52 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Great idea. I’m sick of funding the UN, which has gradually turned from its founding principles into nothing but a bureaucracy run by thugs, Muslims, Communists, and terrorists.

I was hoping maybe we would act when the Oil for Food scandal broke, and support for the UN had diminished among the voters.

But no.

Who do we want to fund, our veterans, or a bunch of freeloading child sex slavers?


26 posted on 11/18/2009 7:38:44 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

This shoud be a no brainer even amongst the dems with no brains. Unfortunately, it probably isn’t.


27 posted on 11/18/2009 7:41:36 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: MestaMachine

Bump to frmail... :)


28 posted on 11/18/2009 7:43:05 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I have passed it along via emails.

What a good idea! (Why didn't I think of that? Smack myself upside the head.)

Will email this far and wide!

29 posted on 11/18/2009 7:44:23 PM PST by azishot
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To: MestaMachine; LucyT

You’re welcome, MestaMachine.

This is why I depend on my *pingers*.

Thanks, LucyT.


30 posted on 11/18/2009 7:46:35 PM PST by azishot
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To: LucyT

Oh, Good Lord..I’ll be on the phones first thing!!!! This has got to stop...all of it..and NOW!


31 posted on 11/18/2009 7:47:28 PM PST by IrishPennant (If you can accept losing, you can't win. ~ Vince Lombardi)
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To: IrishPennant; All
Bump for Our Troops


32 posted on 11/18/2009 7:52:23 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: azishot

Anyone know what time the vote is?


33 posted on 11/18/2009 7:52:51 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Sorry...I don’t know.

I don’t trust this group at all. Who knows they could be voting on it right now.


34 posted on 11/18/2009 7:58:40 PM PST by azishot
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Bumpin it up!


35 posted on 11/18/2009 8:10:58 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Ooh-Ah

UN money is wasted money.


36 posted on 11/18/2009 8:14:03 PM PST by 4Liberty (Pimp my mortgage)
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To: 4Liberty

The un is a waste..and full of freedom grabbers.


37 posted on 11/18/2009 8:22:20 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; azishot; All

This is what is being voted on:

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=a30aaca9-c956-4094-8671-7c1ec004a1cd

This is Coburn’s latest update:

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=RightNow.Home

Coburn’s efforts to improve the Caregiver and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act
November 18, 2009

The Senate will soon debate S. 1963, the Caregiver and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act. The bill contains many provisions regarding caregiver assistance, rural health care for veterans, construction of VA facilities, and several pilot programs. However, the issue that has garnered the most attention is the caregiver assistance.

S.1963 creates a new VA program that provides caregivers of severely disabled wartime veterans the following new benefits. Typically the VA does not provide benefits for non-veterans, this program would be an exception to that. This bill proposes

• monthly stipends for caregivers of disabled wartime veterans (CBO estimates around $2300 per month maximum)
• health coverage for caregivers (if they do not have health insurance)
• travel benefits for caregivers (lodging and per diem when taking veterans to VA hospitals)
• training for caregivers to provide proper medical care and assistance

However, S.1963 as written only provides benefits to veterans injured after September 11, 2001. Also, the bill does not identify a source of funding to pay for the increased spending.

Dr. Coburn’s amendment opens the eligibility for this program to ALL veterans who are severely disabled from wartime service. He also directs that the Secretary of State should transfer funding out of the U.S. contribution to the United Nations to the VA to pay for this program.

If Dr. Coburn’s amendment is not adopted, and S.1963 becomes law, it will exclude a large number of severely disabled wartime veterans from these benefits benefits, maintain funding for the UN, and increase the already massive national debt.


38 posted on 11/18/2009 8:23:21 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: Ooh-Ah

My daughter called me from Denver on Veterans Day. I told her that for the first time in 15 or so years we were having a parade and reception in this little town I live in. She said on the campus where she goes to school veterans were demonstrating because many on them have not yet received GI bill money they were approved for. These are Afghanistan and Iraq veterans.


39 posted on 11/18/2009 8:26:05 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: MestaMachine

I was just getting ready to post a google search link for that..guess I’ll do it anyway. Can’t use bing on this phone yet.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=S.+1963&btnG=Google+Search


40 posted on 11/18/2009 8:28:15 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

S. 1963 – Caregiver and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act
This bill unfairly discriminates against severely disabled veterans from prior wars, many of whom have needed caregiver assistance for decades and were not the beneficiary of recent advancements in military medical care.

There are currently 35,000 veterans receiving aid and attendance benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. Out of this population, around 2,000 veterans received their injuries after September 11 and would qualify for extra caregiver assistance in this bill. Caregivers for 33,000 veterans of prior wars would not.

Our nation faces a severe long-term fiscal crisis. If we don’t start paying for new programs we’re not going to have a country left to defend. The bill is not paid for by identifying any wasteful, duplicative, or obsolete federal programs and represents a false promise intended more to help DC politicians and lobbyists than veterans in need.

CBO estimates that the bill will cost $3.9 billion over five years if all funds are appropriated that are authorized. However, if the funds are not appropriated, then this benefit will amount to an empty promise to veterans. As written, this is a press release bill intended to bolster the image of politicians and lobbyists among veterans. When the bill passes, no funding is ensured and any funding that may eventually be provided will be borrowed.


41 posted on 11/18/2009 8:31:21 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: MestaMachine

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42 posted on 11/18/2009 8:41:20 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Nachum; nutmeg; null and void; Slings and Arrows; bamahead; STARWISE

Sure could use some ping lists for our disabled veterans!


43 posted on 11/18/2009 8:43:43 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

How many phone calls and/or emails? That’s what I want to know.


44 posted on 11/18/2009 8:44:30 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: MestaMachine; ~Kim4VRWC's~; HollyB; Saoirise; NoObamaFightForConservatives; thouworm; freema; ...

Ping for Veteran’s care!


45 posted on 11/18/2009 8:48:58 PM PST by 444Flyer (We will not stand down! Psalm 34:7)
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To: MestaMachine

Called my Senators and left messages for both. Will be calling them again first thing in the A.M.. (I have had a crazy night! Good to see so many hits in the last hour or two!)


46 posted on 11/18/2009 8:51:22 PM PST by 444Flyer (We will not stand down! Psalm 34:7)
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To: MestaMachine

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47 posted on 11/18/2009 8:51:30 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: 444Flyer

Thanks, 444Flier. It’s a love thing.


48 posted on 11/18/2009 8:53:29 PM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1. Afghanistan Updates Daily on My Profile)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Bump Before Bed...


49 posted on 11/18/2009 8:54:00 PM PST by azishot
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To: azishot

Bumpback


50 posted on 11/18/2009 8:55:14 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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