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Chicago's homicide toll surpasses 400
Red Eye ^ | 11-19-09 | Tracy Swartz

Posted on 11/20/2009 6:51:43 AM PST by STARWISE

Englewood saw two homicides this week, bringing its 2009 murder toll to 17 victims.

On Sunday, a 20-year-old man was found shot to death in the 500 block of West 58th Street, according to police information. The next day, a 21-year-old man was shot and killed about four blocks away.

This year, Englewood has seen 16 shooting deaths and one fatal beating, a RedEye analysis of preliminary police data found.

Fourteen of the 17 victims were male, 14 were under the age of 30 when they died and all victims were black, according to data from the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office.

Citywide, the homicide death toll for the year surpassed 400 victims this month. As of Wednesday afternoon, there have been 418 homicide victims, including 11 victims of automobile crashes in which the driver was initially charged with reckless homicide, RedEye found.

This month, there have been 25 homicides, including a fatal car crash that killed two people in Greater Grand Crossing. The driver in that crash initially was charged with reckless homicide. Police logged 38 murders in November last year.

To check the number of murders in your neighborhood, go to the RedEye homicide map.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 400dead2009; chicago; chicagoway; deadpeople; guncontrol; gunfreezone; murders; nwa
Tracking murders in Chicago

In 2009, RedEye is tracking all murders that occur in Chicago. In every Thursday's paper, RedEye will publish a map of the homicides from the previous week. This interactive map also will be updated weekly. For more homicide information in Chicago, go to the Chicago Tribune and its Breaking News Center.

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Data is based on preliminary police reports. Information subject to change.

November 19: Englewood saw two homicides this week, bringing its 2009 murder toll to 17 victims.

On Sunday, a 20-year-old man was found shot to death in the 500 block of West 58th Street, according to police information. The next day, a 21-year-old man was shot and killed about four blocks away.

This year, Englewood has seen 16 shooting deaths and one fatal beating, a RedEye analysis of preliminary police data found.

Fourteen of the 17 victims were male, 14 were under the age of 30 when they died and all victims were black, according to data from the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office.

Citywide, the homicide death toll for the year surpassed 400 victims this month. As of Wednesday afternoon, there have been 418 homicide victims, including 11 victims of automobile crashes in which the driver was initially charged with reckless homicide, RedEye found.

This month, there have been 25 homicides, including a fatal car crash that killed two people in Greater Grand Crossing. The driver in that crash initially was charged with reckless homicide. Police logged 38 murders in November last year.

November 12: North Lawndale saw two homicides Sunday, bringing its homicide toll for the year to 18 victims.

On Sunday, a 16-year-old male was shot to death in the 1500 block of South Christiana Avenue and a 41-year-old man was stabbed to death in the 1900 block of South Trumbull Avenue, according to police information.

This year, there have been 16 shooting deaths and two stabbing deaths in North Lawndale, a RedEye analysis of preliminary police data found. Sixteen of the victims were male, two were female; all were black.

Citywide, 17 homicides have been recorded so far this month. Police logged 38 murders in November 2008.

November 5: The seven female homicide victims killed in the last week and a half represent 14 percent of all female homicide victims this year, according to a RedEye analysis of preliminary police data.

On Sunday, a 16-year-old woman died from assault wounds while a 24-year-old woman was shot to death in Austin.

Last week, a 3-month-old Avalon Park girl died after child abuse; and a 32-year-old woman was beaten to death in Englewood. A 47-year-old woman was stabbed to death in Pullman; and a 46-year-old woman was shot to death in West Englewood. In Hermosa, a 22-year-old woman was found shot to death, according to information from the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office.

Citywide, October ended with 37 homicides, including a fatal car crash that killed two people in West Englewood. The driver in that crash initially was charged with reckless homicide. Chicago police recorded 46 murders in October last year.

So far in November, seven homicides have been recorded. Police logged 38 in November 2008.


1 posted on 11/20/2009 6:51:45 AM PST by STARWISE
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~Chicago Way .... PING!


2 posted on 11/20/2009 6:53:30 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

Wonder if Baraq will fly in and join Oprah to plead for “peace in the streets”

Don’t hold your breath......


3 posted on 11/20/2009 6:53:54 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: STARWISE
Chicago's homicide toll surpasses 400

Chicago - more dangerous to Americans than Iraq and Afghanistan COMBINED!

4 posted on 11/20/2009 6:54:43 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: STARWISE

black on black crime...one wonders if this statistic wasn’t in America, would we be deemed a violent country? I tend to think not so much....


5 posted on 11/20/2009 6:54:51 AM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: STARWISE
And the mob boss in charge of the government says that the Texas murders were because of too many guns in Texas! The guy has a screw loose.
6 posted on 11/20/2009 6:56:54 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: STARWISE
in order to provide a comparison, NYC has had 403 homicides as of last sunday.

what are the population differences between these two cities?

7 posted on 11/20/2009 6:57:12 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: STARWISE
"Chicago's homicide toll surpasses 400 "

The positive point is...that's 400 they won't have next year.

8 posted on 11/20/2009 6:57:36 AM PST by blam
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To: thefactor

NYC has about 8.2 Million. Chicago is about 2.9 Million.


9 posted on 11/20/2009 6:59:41 AM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: nascarnation

Yeah, and wouldn’t you think the 0 and
his belted woman would get involved
with the explosive crime situation,
especially amongst the lost generation
of twisted hiphop thugs in their own
hometown .. at least for the chillun?


10 posted on 11/20/2009 7:00:05 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

Well the war for Chicago is lost just get all our troops out and let go to the thugs and politicians


11 posted on 11/20/2009 7:00:10 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: STARWISE
Chicago has more murders than NYC, even tho it has about a third NY's population.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf

12 posted on 11/20/2009 7:01:24 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: 2banana

Thank goodness gun control is keeping people safe in Chicago. Maybe they should consider “goon control” instead....

hh


13 posted on 11/20/2009 7:02:12 AM PST by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: al baby

John Kass has an idea ..

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Turn Thomson prison into training camp of our own

Excerpt:

###

Don’t worry. I’ve got the perfect political compromise.

I tried it out on U.S. Rep. Don Manzullo. He’s the Illinois Republican in whose district Obama wants to ship the Gitmo Gang and lock them behind super-max walls so they won’t escape, fan out across the prairie, and kill all of us in our beds.

“I’m opposed to the terrorists coming here at all,” Manzullo told me Wednesday. “The generals tell us that Gitmo is the rallying cry for terrorist recruiting. I asked: Will that animosity transfer to Thomson? The Defense Department could not give us a guarantee.”

So I told him my plan. There was a long silence on the phone. I could hear him breathing.

*snip*

If Obama really wants the Gitmo Gang in Illinois, it’s going to happen. After all, he is the president of the United States of America.

So let’s bow low, as if he were the emperor of Japan and we’re a bunch of terrified peasants, almost touching our foreheads to the ground, without a shred of imperialistic American dignity.

OK, President Obama, you win. We’ll take the Gitmo Gang.

***But only on one condition:

In exchange, we want all the convicted American politicians currently living in cushy Club Feds to be transferred immediately to the Thomson Correctional Center so they can bunk with the terrorists and corrupt them too.***

That might benefit American interests and save us lives and treasure. Before you say I’m crazy, just think about it.

What is terrorism anyway? It is the use of violence to achieve a political goal, and one offshoot is subverting people’s confidence in their system of government.

And what of corrupt politicians? They subvert the people’s confidence in their system of government much more than the terrorists could ever dream of doing.

Political corruption corrodes almost everything, from the belief that a job application is based on qualifications and ability, to school admissions (may the kid with the best clout win), to the way business is conducted in public and private sectors.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-19-nov19,0,6027124.column


14 posted on 11/20/2009 7:04:01 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE
Well GOOD for Chicago! I'm wondering what sort of recognition is in order on such a momentous occasion.

Is a simple “Congratulations” greeting card enough?
Should I send flowers?
What sort of gift, if any, is appropriate?

Both Miss Manners and Emily Post have given this type of event short-shrift in their etiquette books, so I am at somewhat of a loss as to what I should do...

...other than stay out of Chicago.

15 posted on 11/20/2009 7:05:06 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: All

*Related:

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Veteran robbed, killed on way to deposit money from benefit

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Army veteran William “Bill” Burtner survived Vietnam and dedicated his life to helping other veterans.

On Monday, Burtner was about to enter a Midlothian bank to deposit money the south suburb’s Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 2580 had raised during a benefit.

He never made it inside.

Burtner, 65, was assaulted and robbed outside the bank. He died Wednesday night at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.

An autopsy today concluded Burtner died of hypertensive cardiovascular disease and fractured ribs from the assault, according to the Cook County medical examiner’s office. It ruled the death a homicide.

Burtner was about to deposit proceeds from a VFW benefit last weekend for Chicago-area World War II veterans so they could visit a war memorial in Washington, D.C., according to Katherine Foss, a family friend.

She said Burtner, who was elected as a commander for the post, was supposed to go to the VFW later in the day to help pack up belongings, such as clothing and other donations, for soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

On Monday, Burtner was entering AJ Smith Federal Savings Bank, 14757 S. Cicero Ave., when two men attacked him in a strong-arm robbery, said Midlothian Police Detective Sgt. Steve Zamiar.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/11/veteran-robbed-killed-on-way-to-deposit-money-from-benefit.html


16 posted on 11/20/2009 7:05:24 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE
Let's look at one murder at a time.
17 posted on 11/20/2009 7:07:35 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: STARWISE

Probably go down if law abiding citizens could carry guns but only criminals are allowed to:

June 2 2009 (Bloomberg) — A Chicago ordinance banning handguns and automatic weapons within city limits was upheld by a U.S. Court of Appeals panel, which rejected a challenge by the National Rifle Association.

The unanimous three-judge panel ruled today that a U.S. Supreme Court decision last year, which recognized an individual right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment, didn’t apply to states and municipalities.


18 posted on 11/20/2009 7:07:44 AM PST by maddog55 (The enemy is domestic and it's the government.)
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To: STARWISE

Why wouldn’t they want to have the Olympics there?


19 posted on 11/20/2009 7:08:46 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: All
The Good Samaritan, whose life was viciously and needlessly taken by thugs ... God rest his soul and comfort his family.


20 posted on 11/20/2009 7:09:00 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

Seriously, the first thing I thought when I saw that headline was “That’s all?”

I listen to WLS radio on the internet out of Chicago, I would have imagined that number to be a lot higher judging from the news there.


21 posted on 11/20/2009 7:10:19 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: STARWISE

There is only one solution to this problem.We must negotiate with the thugs. We must understand them and show compassion and give them money, lots of money. We need programs. We need social workers.

Send Code Pinkos there. After all, they know how to reach out to the Taliban, so the Chicago thugs should be no problem.

This is probably all caused by too many guns, umm no; Consevatives, umm no; Christians, umm no. Oh, I know, it’s the Amish again, right? Those darn Amish, such a violent group.


22 posted on 11/20/2009 7:11:18 AM PST by SamiGirl
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To: STARWISE

I heard gunfire here Monday night. A few weeks ago, a dead body was found under the porch of a neighboring house. This used to be a quiet, mixed race, blue collar, middle class neighborhood. Not anymore.

Government’s response to this will be to spend more money
on law enforcement and anti-proverty programs. Why don’t they just enforce the laws instead?


23 posted on 11/20/2009 7:11:51 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: STARWISE
Yeah, and wouldn’t you think the 0 and his belted woman would get involved with the explosive crime situation,

Hey! Don't sell the Obamessiah and Mrs Obamessiah short! I'm sure they were both "involved" at one time. I'll bet they both committed MORE than their share of crimes while they lived in Chicago.

Of course, due to the husband's unexpected job promotion, they are currently introducing the "Chicago Way" INSIDE the "Beltway". And, right now I am confident they are doing their part to contribute to the crime rate in our nation's capital.

I mean, sure, they'll have some "cathing up" to do once they return from their little adventure, but I bet they'll get right back to the "Chicago Way" IN Chicago, in very short order.

24 posted on 11/20/2009 7:14:37 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: fatnotlazy

Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” destroyed the black family structure in a mere two generations time.

Now we are reaping the evil harvest.


25 posted on 11/20/2009 7:15:38 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: fatnotlazy

I saw a post in a forum from a guy who asked “Why didn’t the Jews just get out of Germany when the Nazis first started attacking them?”

I noticed he lives in Detroit.


26 posted on 11/20/2009 7:16:03 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: STARWISE

There were 50 homicides in Utah in 2005.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060102/ai_n15976636/

I’d wonder about demographics of murder epicenters, but then I’d be branded a racist and made to apologize.


27 posted on 11/20/2009 7:17:03 AM PST by RabidBartender (I will work harder, Napoleon is always right.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Are you in Chicago?


28 posted on 11/20/2009 7:18:03 AM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: STARWISE
Chicago needs its Magic Negro back in town.

Fly Barry, fly to the ooze from whence you crawled!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

29 posted on 11/20/2009 7:23:45 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: STARWISE

Need a Nobel Peace Prize winner to visit and calm things down


30 posted on 11/20/2009 7:25:20 AM PST by uncbob
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To: STARWISE

Sorry, Chicago. On a per-capita basis, Baltimore (a.k.a. Bloodymore, Murderland) beats you easily. There were 234 murders in 2008, and 202 as of 11/17/09. The population of Baltimore is only a little over 0.6 Million, roughly 10% of whom are heroin addicts.


31 posted on 11/20/2009 7:32:28 AM PST by hellbender
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To: STARWISE
There are some parts of Chicago where even skinny wimps are safe:


32 posted on 11/20/2009 7:35:05 AM PST by hellbender
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To: STARWISE

This is awful! I think we as the American people need to help out and send BO BACK to his city in 2012 to stop this insanity!


33 posted on 11/20/2009 7:48:53 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Dawgreg
This is awful! I think we as the American people need to help out and send BO BACK to his city in 2012 to stop this insanity!

We should all deluge him with contacts urging him to step down and go take care of his own home town. If anybody can unite the opposing parties I'm sure it's Barack Hussein 0bama, Community Organizer.

Right?

34 posted on 11/20/2009 7:59:26 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: al baby

Correct. We need to pull ALL of our forces out of Chicago immediately. If drafted, I will not go to Chicago.


35 posted on 11/20/2009 8:03:54 AM PST by Nabber
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To: Clemenza

so chicago has a murder rate of a city almost 3x’s its size. sounds about right.


36 posted on 11/20/2009 8:07:42 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: STARWISE
How many Americans have died in Iraq, a whole country? I remember this summer, a few weekends that there were more murders in Philly than in both wars.
37 posted on 11/20/2009 8:09:02 AM PST by chuckles
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To: STARWISE

Chicago...making more good democrat voters every day...


38 posted on 11/20/2009 8:30:18 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: STARWISE

400 dead and yet they still all vote!


39 posted on 11/20/2009 8:31:16 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: nascarnation

To be fair, it’s not a “black problem” only. As I said, I live in a mixed neighborhood. I think we have raised one or more generations with an entitlement mentality. They don’t want to get an education or work for a living. Much easier to shoot and rob someone. And even those who are educated are merely indoctrinated. They can tell you all sorts of things about global warming, but they can’t read, write, do math or even tell you who their congressperson is.

And we’ve let the criminal element get way out of hand. Sure, we can get more police on the streeet, but what good is it when these gangsters are back out doing whatever. I said once (long before the War on Terror) that we should send soldiers into the streets to clean up these hoodlums. Boy, did I get flak for being so cruel, heartless, unconcerned for their rights, etc. etc. I still think it’s a good idea. Round ‘em all up and throw the book at ‘em. And if they deserve the death penalty, give it to them. None of these endless appeals, bleeding hearts and the like.


40 posted on 11/20/2009 9:06:57 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Clemenza

I’m sorry...I wasn’t clear. I live in Western PA. Unfortunately, the murders and other crimes are all over, not just Chicago. And it’s not even in the inner city only; even the suburbs are seeing higher crime as well, much of which is becoming more and more violent.


41 posted on 11/20/2009 9:09:19 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: blam
The positive point is...that's 400 they won't have next year.

And they can still vote...

42 posted on 11/20/2009 9:09:46 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 303 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: STARWISE

The Amish community is completely out of control.


43 posted on 11/20/2009 9:14:55 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: fatnotlazy

I’m not convinced law enforcement can do much here.
Deterrence doesn’t seem to have much effect on this generation of amoral/immoral folks. Overloaded prisons are a good example of that IMHO.

We somehow have to improve the society and the family structure. My daughter teaches 4th grade in an upscale suburb here in Indiana. 40% of her class is not from an intact family. And that’s probably one of the BEST segments of the population you could find in the entire US.


44 posted on 11/20/2009 9:17:46 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: paulycy

In our dreams.......he’s too stuck on himself to step down. It’d take a civil war to do that.....so’s I guess we’ll have to settle for 2012 but in the meantime, neuter him politically by electing CONSERVATIVES in 2010!......:)


45 posted on 11/20/2009 10:22:24 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Dawgreg
neuter him politically by electing CONSERVATIVES in 2010!......:)

Absoluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutely!

46 posted on 11/20/2009 10:23:40 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Actually, crime has been DROPPING in the largest cities, including my own (the largest in the US). Where violent crime has been rising has been in smaller cities, especially in the south and west.


47 posted on 11/20/2009 8:24:42 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

Yesterday, I took a look at stats for my nearest big city, Pittsburgh. Now Pittsburgh doesn’t have nearly as many people as New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. Last year we had something like 37 murders, but iolent crime in general was rather high. One stat said that death from drive bys is relatively low here, but the number of drive bys themselves are huge. How much longer do you thnk it will be before the fatality rate rises?


48 posted on 11/21/2009 5:13:32 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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