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Was There an Oswald/Ruby Cover-Up? Did the Mob Kill JFK? premieres November 22
TV By The Numbers ^ | 11/12/09 | Discovery Channe;

Posted on 11/20/2009 11:29:24 AM PST by AtlasStalled

This Sunday the Discovery Channel is running two back-to-back documentaries -- "Did the Mob Kill JFK?" and "JFK: The Ruby Connection" -- exploring the role of the Mafia behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy:

New information and never before heard details of a startling confession raise new questions on just who was behind the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy and the subsequent killing of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby. * * * "I had the little bastard killed. He was a thorn in my shoe" -- according to a secret FBI informant these were the words of his cellmate, Carlos Marcello, the notorious New Orleans mafia boss (one of America’s most powerful mafia godfathers) confessing to his role in orchestrating the Kennedy assassination and featured in Did the Mob Kill JFK." Almost half a century after the assassination, the informant has come forward to provide an exclusive interview that may solve one of the nation's most enduring mysteries and re-write history. * * * Marcello, who controlled mob operations in Louisiana and Texas, had long been suspected in having a hand in the Kennedy assassination. "Did the Mob Kill JFK?" links Marcello with both Oswald and Ruby, as the godfather reveals in his confession that he brought Lee Harvey Oswald into the plot, telling the informant that "He was my man. He did what the hell I told him to do." Marcello also admits that Dallas strip club owner Jack Ruby was deeply in debt and "owed him big." The special draws on an array of historians, investigators and eyewitness accounts, including interviews with author Lamar Waldron and former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden who claims an aborted attempt on the President's life in Chicago early in November was covered up.

(Excerpt) Read more at tvbythenumbers.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: carlosmarcello; dealeyplaza; jackruby; jfk; kennedyassassination; leeharveyoswald; mafia; oswald; rfk
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1 posted on 11/20/2009 11:29:25 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Maybe at the direction of the Fed. Or payment to the mob from them. I firmly believe the Fed was behind his murder.


2 posted on 11/20/2009 11:31:51 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: AtlasStalled

Mob boss, godfather - confession - pasha!
“thorn in my shoe” - hardly a phrase a mob boss would use.
If the mob were involved.......it wouldn’t have been so messy and no one would know - ever.


3 posted on 11/20/2009 11:33:52 AM PST by svcw (The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves. GW)
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To: AtlasStalled

I have always believed the mob killed JFK and Oswald was killed to keep him quiet. Ruby was the perfect hit man because he was going to croak anyway.


4 posted on 11/20/2009 11:34:46 AM PST by lone star annie
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To: svcw

The sicilian is “will someone remove the pebble from my shoe?”


5 posted on 11/20/2009 11:35:38 AM PST by votemout
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To: AtlasStalled

Fed contractors w/ mob subcontractors.


6 posted on 11/20/2009 11:36:15 AM PST by DogBarkTree (Support Sarah. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/sarahpalin?ref=nf)
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To: lone star annie

The ‘Miracle Bullet’ never really captured my imagination the way the politicians wanted it to.

Conspiracy, quite possibly. JFK’s would be one more so than some of the others floating around today.


7 posted on 11/20/2009 11:38:19 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: AtlasStalled

Lee Harvey Oswald, a liberal who grew up in NYC, killed the beloved JFK all by his lonesome. He was a deranged liberal, much like many of the liberals of today, and he did it all by himself. The Mob is innocent; another victim of liberal slander.


8 posted on 11/20/2009 11:39:00 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: AtlasStalled
Not saying who killed JFK, buy Marcello had a motive. he was picked up off the street by the feds and taken uop into the hills of Guatamalaand released without wallet or money. This after RFK lost the court case to deport him.

IIRC Marcello would have had to have the go ahead from Giancana in Chicago to do anything like that.

9 posted on 11/20/2009 11:39:19 AM PST by votemout
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To: AtlasStalled

I am sure the media will all saw it was George W Bush AND Sarah Palin as toddlers who forced Dick Cheney to do it. It is about the only think they have not been blamed for!


10 posted on 11/20/2009 11:39:46 AM PST by pikachu (I’m so scared of the swine flu I won’t even watch ‘The View')
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To: autumnraine

I think Bobby and JFK pissed off the mob and they did him in. Bobby went back on his word with the mob. That is a no no. Or maybe it was LBJ? LOL


11 posted on 11/20/2009 11:40:07 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: AtlasStalled

I’ve followed the incident my entire adult life and can come to only one sure conclusion: there was a conspiracy!

The government colluded to hide that there was more than one shooter! The rest of who did what is immaterial to me, and given the passage of time the details may never be known.

Simply download the Z film and watch K’s head be blown backwards as his brain matter explodes over the trunk of the limo. If not for the film the gvmnt would have gotten away with it.


12 posted on 11/20/2009 11:40:38 AM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: autumnraine

no...hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned...at the last minute, jackie had the secret service switch from the armored limosine to the convertible limo...jackie set it up and had her cheatin old man shot down like the dog he was...


13 posted on 11/20/2009 11:41:14 AM PST by joe fonebone (I am racist, hear me roar....I don't give a crap anymore....)
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To: AtlasStalled

NO.
Jackie did it. Or had it done.
And she’s definitely NOT GUILTY. The pig deserved it.


14 posted on 11/20/2009 11:42:57 AM PST by Little Ray (The beatings will continue until GOP comes to heel.)
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To: AtlasStalled

"How many historic events have only the two of us witnessed together, Ronald? How often did we make or change history? And our names can never grace any pages of record. No monument will ever bear our image. And yet once again, tonight, the course of human history will be set by two unknown men... standing in the shadows."

15 posted on 11/20/2009 11:43:05 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Nonstatist

My wife comes from a certain Sicilian family in Chicago and I can tell you that they think the mob killed JKF. Motive..revenge for Bobbie K’s attack of the mob after thehad helped JFK elected in IL. Judith Exner was a go- between the mob and JFK.


16 posted on 11/20/2009 11:43:20 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: AtlasStalled

On the History Channel in mid-October, were about four shows covering different aspects of the assassination, revealing a lot of new information.

One person on one of these programs made what I thought was a very interesting point.

A number of very well placed mob figures were prosecuted in the years after Kennedy’s death, on unrelated matters. Although these figures faced long prison sentences, and did go the state’s evidence route, not a one of them claimed to have knowledge of a Kennedy conspiracy.

About five years ago, there was a series of five one hour shows covering a number of conspiracy theories. On one of them, there was a well place mob figure that stated he delivered a message to either Oswald or mob contacts in New Orleans prior to Kennedy’s assassination. He thought it was a “hit” order.

No large sum of money was every found to have been deposited in the Oswald account.

I still don’t know if Oswald was even involved. I tend to think he was, but in the overall scheme of things, I’m less than positive.

One aspect about Oswald that comes out over and over again, is that he was a man who desired to make a mark on history. He thought he was very smart, and that he had not lived up to his potential, or hadn’t been recognized for the brilliant mind he had. I’m probably not expressing this well, but the idea is that if he had made a history making move, why didn’t he own it from day one, and explain what cause had influenced him to do it?

Some of these things are real quandaries for me.


17 posted on 11/20/2009 11:45:09 AM PST by DoughtyOne (A MELTING POT not a potters wheel. Join us. Don't try to turn this nation into the one you fled.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Jim Garrison, New Orleans District Attorney in the ‘60s, discovered the link to Marcello, and attempted to follow up and prosecute several people. He was met with disdain and belittled for his efforts. It was much like the way anyone asking about zer0’s “natural born” status has been treated.


18 posted on 11/20/2009 11:47:17 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: 70th Division
I forget if it was Joe Bonanno or who told the story.

Joe Kennedy had solicited the assistance of the mob to sway some unions to help in the 1960 election. Included was the dem primary in WV in which JFK upset Humphrey and the city of Chicago, which reportedly held back vote tallies to see how many votes JFK needed to beat Nixon.

After the boys got in and went after the teamsters and the mob, Giancano sent Roselli and another guy to Hyannisport to remind the old man that the organization had helped JFK get elected. Joe said he would talk to them when the family got together at Christmas. Before that the old man had a major stroke and the conversation did not happen.

The problem with the JFK assassination is there's plenty of motive and capability to go around. Hard evidence is another thing all together.

19 posted on 11/20/2009 11:48:41 AM PST by votemout
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To: Joe 6-pack
Encore presentation:




20 posted on 11/20/2009 11:49:00 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: tired1

* * * GRAPHIC CONTENT * * *

At the moment of the last impact, at least the most dramatic impact, his facial tissue explodes outward toward his front.

This jetting of tissue, causes the head to move backwards.

I have seen video of a pumpkin being shot by a large caliber bullet, and the pumpkin actually fell towards the shooter.

The skin blowout, is the selling point for me. Even if the dynamics of the pumpkin don’t sell it, seeing his facial scalp (if you will) be blown outward, tells me it was a shot from behind.


21 posted on 11/20/2009 11:52:14 AM PST by DoughtyOne (A MELTING POT not a potters wheel. Join us. Don't try to turn this nation into the one you fled.)
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To: DoughtyOne

A couple of years ago the discovery channel or one of those ran a show about the timing of Oswalds movements after the shooting. One of the counter-arguments was that Oswald could not have physically made all of the stops and taken the routes he supposedly took in time to be in the theatre when he was arrested. They did the steps and took the longer routes where there was a choice. Conclusion: he could have done it all. Just one point.


22 posted on 11/20/2009 11:53:59 AM PST by votemout
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To: tired1
I also have concluded that there was more than one shooter in Dallas that day. The wound ballistics lead me to infer that there were two different types of bullets that hit JFK. However, that doesn't mean there was a conspiracy connecting the two(or more) shooters. There may even have been more than two separate groups trying to kill JFK that day, but only two of them hit their target.
23 posted on 11/20/2009 11:54:37 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: AtlasStalled

Actually, it all sounds very probable. I have it on very good authority that Ruby knew Oswald, and that Marcello did, indeed, order the hit. I also have it on good authority that Sirhan Sirhan was mobbed up to the hilt.


24 posted on 11/20/2009 11:57:24 AM PST by hampdenkid
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To: The Sons of Liberty

When I was fifteen, I went to boarding school in Keene, Texas.

At the time a local conservative talk show host thought highly of Garrison. He had him on the show several times.

I was at an impressionable age, and I wasn’t mature enough to evaluate what Garrison was saying from an adult perspective, but I will say his claims seemed sound to me.

He claimed that about five people (as I recall) had died strange deaths just prior to his scheduled interviews with them. One fell down some stairs. One went through a plate glass window. Another committed suicide.

I didn’t consider him to be a kook at the time. It is interesting how people have tried to tear him down over time. It may be deserved, but I didn’t see it that way after listening to him in the day.


25 posted on 11/20/2009 11:57:55 AM PST by DoughtyOne (A MELTING POT not a potters wheel. Join us. Don't try to turn this nation into the one you fled.)
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To: AtlasStalled
At AmericanHeritage.com

But just as Ruby had sabotaged Texas’s efforts to carry out justice against Oswald, he would also thwart the state’s prosecution against himself. On December 9, 1966, he was diagnosed with cancer, as doctors found extensive tumors throughout his lungs, lymph nodes, and liver. He died less than a month later, at Dallas’s Parkland Memorial Hospital. Both President Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald had died at the same place. Ruby did not die in peace; he suffered from delusions that his crime had brought on pogroms against American Jews. Melvin Belli, vacationing in Europe, responded to his death with characteristic flair: “That poor little son of a bitch. Those goddamn Texans. They never gave him a chance.”

26 posted on 11/20/2009 11:58:27 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: riverdawg
Reminds me of the Woody Allen bank robbery movie. he and his gang were going to rob the bank and just when they were going up to the window to pass the robbery note to the teller, another robber gang got to another window ahead of them and got the money.

So many people and groups had motive, but the arrival independently of two hit teams on the same day and location is too much of a coincidence. Argues more for central planning sending two hit teams.

27 posted on 11/20/2009 11:58:55 AM PST by votemout
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To: votemout

Thanks. I believe I saw something like that. It was interesting.

I don’t think we’ll ever know, but I do like to watch shows discussing the matter.

It’s amazing what folks come up with.


28 posted on 11/20/2009 12:00:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (A MELTING POT not a potters wheel. Join us. Don't try to turn this nation into the one you fled.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Right. I think the list of those who “died under mysterious circumstances” associated with Garrison’s probe is about as long as the Clinton death list. If the truth ever comes out, and I doubt that it will, I believe he will be vindicated, but he died being labeled a crackpot.


29 posted on 11/20/2009 12:04:09 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: AtlasStalled

You cannot successfuly kill a president unless you can control the subsequent investigation....

Sec. Steward killed Lincoln and controlled the investigation, his motive was simple, he wanted to punish the souht and Lincoln didn’t.

Those that wanted Cuba back, and the war on communism to continue removed JFK and whether anyone likes it or not, the one correct thing Oliver Stone ever did was his movie JFK.....we whom have investigated it know his film was produced to satisfy those who knew what happened and was designed to quiet them by giving them closure.

These are facts. That’s the reason I worry for Madame President...these people play for keeps and the people behind bowow would think nothing of killing 100 people in their way....


30 posted on 11/20/2009 12:05:11 PM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: DoughtyOne
Showtime ran a movie about Joe Bonnano. He retired in Arizona and IIRC correctly he died of old age. The rest of the commission let him go without any hits out on him. At the end of the movie there was an interview with the old man.

He said that Giancana had JFK hit and that one of the shooters was in the sewer opening by the curb. I have seen this debunked by several people, but that's what the old man said.

IIRC there was a guy interviewed in prison who claimed to be one of the shooters. It was running in several clips on youtube. Don't know if he was ever debunked or if he could be.

31 posted on 11/20/2009 12:05:31 PM PST by votemout
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To: Oldexpat
I can tell you that they think the mob killed JKF

That arrogant SOB had a lot of enemies: Russians, Cubans, Mobsters (Organized Crime/Mafia), Special Agents (CIA), G-men (J. Edgar Hoover's FBI), Rednecks and Oilmen (Right-wing Extremists), and the MIC (Military Industrial Complex).

But irony of ironies, the guy who did it was a semi-literate paperback Marxist from a broken home. Just another misguided liberal.

32 posted on 11/20/2009 12:06:21 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: DogBarkTree

absolutely correct, with assorted professional assistance from some in government.


33 posted on 11/20/2009 12:07:27 PM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: Nonstatist

It’s folks like you that keep us in the dark ages....Lee shot no one.


34 posted on 11/20/2009 12:08:22 PM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: svcw

...and they would still be looking for the body!


35 posted on 11/20/2009 12:09:13 PM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: AtlasStalled

Folks my grand children’s grand children will be debating this question long after I am gone.


36 posted on 11/20/2009 12:10:17 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: votemout
One more.

IIRC Mark Lane wrote a book Plausible Denial in which he outlines E. Howard Hunt's involvement in the shooting. Then Hunt sued him for defamation and Lane won the case.

Supposedly Hunt told everyone he was at home on the day of the shooting, but his family said he was not (all according to Lane).

I thought Hunt's son made some rounds on talk radio saying his dad was involved.

Maybe someone will tell us the rest of the story.

37 posted on 11/20/2009 12:10:34 PM PST by votemout
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To: The Sons of Liberty

and that should tell you something....the Agency was involved, parts of the FBI, CIA and others, who had worked together with the mob for years, were all a part of this....and I have had enough....

It was wrong, and look....the bastards have radicals controlling the government anyway.


38 posted on 11/20/2009 12:12:54 PM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: votemout

Naming the shooter of JFK is like asking who’s Spartacus. There’s so many conspiracy theories and people and groups who hated him, pick one and go with it. In the next 10 years, someone else will admit to the shooting. Then they’ll all have died out and we’ll get kids and grandchildren popping stories.


39 posted on 11/20/2009 12:13:20 PM PST by votemout
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To: AtlasStalled
According to the Venona Tapes, the KGB considered their two greatest propaganda successes to be the destruction of J. Edgar Hoover's reputation, by flooding the media with lies of his homosexuality, and creating 1000 myths about the assassination of JFK that implicated everyone except the dedicated Stalinist, Lee Harvey Oswald.

And the misinformation continues...

40 posted on 11/20/2009 12:14:09 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: DoughtyOne

You have never ever seen something shot from the front fall forwards.....you talk like someone who have never even fired a gun, or seen it’s impact

Physics...study that before you make such a comment again.


41 posted on 11/20/2009 12:15:13 PM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: AtlasStalled
This all boils down to the fact that the liberals refuse to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. They also believe that George H.W. Bush (41) did it because he was head of the CIA at the time of the assassination.
42 posted on 11/20/2009 12:17:17 PM PST by skimask
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To: AtlasStalled

43 posted on 11/20/2009 12:18:13 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Nonstatist
The Mob is innocent

LOL!

44 posted on 11/20/2009 12:18:30 PM PST by jd777
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To: autumnraine

If that’s what you believe you are the perfect subject for KGB disinformation. Congratulations. You will believe anything.


45 posted on 11/20/2009 12:18:36 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: votemout

I did two hours of interviews with Mark Lane in his Washington DC home after he won his case against Hunt, and right before the JFK movie was released....(he actually had a pre release copy on his table)

Mark’s First book, Rush To Judgement presented all the problems with the Oswald did it story 40 years ago, and his points still hold today......


46 posted on 11/20/2009 12:21:01 PM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: tired1
According to Norman Mailer, Richard Nixon killed Marilyn Monroe.

This thread is proof Americans will believe anything...except the truth.

47 posted on 11/20/2009 12:22:26 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: votemout

My mother saved the newspapers from the Kennedy assassination, including the one from the day before. On the front page of the New Orleans newspaper evening edition on Nov. 21, there was a story about how Carlos Marcello was going on trial for something the next day, I think to be deported, the day Kennedy was assassinated. I don’t know if there is any connection or not, but it does seem to be very coincidental.


48 posted on 11/20/2009 12:22:48 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: AtlasStalled

The mob boss didn’t like kennedy boinking his girl.


49 posted on 11/20/2009 12:27:21 PM PST by Dewey Revoltnow
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To: AtlasStalled

Well it was the mob that got Kennedy elected, from Chicago to WVa. And then his self-important little brother, Bobby, decided to investigate the engineers of Jack’s victory!


50 posted on 11/20/2009 12:27:40 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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