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How Evolutionists Misunderstand Entropy
Creation Matters ^ | Timothy R. Stout

Posted on 11/20/2009 6:40:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

It has always amazed me how unconcerned evolutionists seem to be about entropy and the problems it poses both for a natural origin of life and for macroevolution. The argument from entropy is one of the most powerful arguments against the spontaneous formation of life from a random association of non-living chemicals...

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1 posted on 11/20/2009 6:40:12 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/20/2009 6:41:23 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

How is a 2008 article “News”? How is entropy applicable to a non-closed system?


3 posted on 11/20/2009 6:45:36 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

That was written by someone who understands what the word “entropy” means, but not how it works.


4 posted on 11/20/2009 6:49:01 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: GodGunsGuts

wow this is old...


5 posted on 11/20/2009 6:49:56 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Natural Law
How is entropy applicable to a non-closed system?

Slam. Dunk.

6 posted on 11/20/2009 6:51:34 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Natural Law

How is entropy applicable to a non-closed system?


Isn’t that the point? Our system is not closed. It is open to God’s influence and therefore life can be created?


7 posted on 11/20/2009 6:52:05 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: GodGunsGuts

Same as they misunderstand everything. Reality refutes evolution, so it has to be re-understood.


8 posted on 11/20/2009 6:56:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Natural Law
You should understand that when you have an equation that REQUIRES a factor of "(Then a miracle happens...)", you start to have a compulsion to play with verbal gymnastics, and careful selection of truths...

Galileo, Copericus and Kepler had the same problems. If you would like to see another example of this kind of "logic", go over to Digg.com and read the gibberings of the Global Warming Ardents over the E-mails that came out yesterday.

9 posted on 11/20/2009 6:58:14 PM PST by jonascord (Hey, we have the Constitution. What's to worry about?)
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To: miliantnutcase

You’re older!


10 posted on 11/20/2009 6:58:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: broncobilly
"Isn’t that the point? Our system is not closed."

Aside from the obvious sources of external energy one must also quantify the affect of natural selection as in input and feedback path into the equation. Creationists present an incomplete equation and then attempt to use it as proof to refute science. God certainly created life and guided its ascent, but the process He used wasn't crossing His arms and nodding His head like Genie or wiggling His nose like Samantha Stevens.

11 posted on 11/20/2009 6:59:58 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: editor-surveyor

The secret is out! lmao


12 posted on 11/20/2009 7:00:52 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: miliantnutcase

Not at all...they only let paid subscribers read current year issues. The 2009 issues will not be available until 2010 for the general public. Not a bad deal compared to most journals, who never let the general public see a word without shelling out copious amounts of $$$.


13 posted on 11/20/2009 7:01:51 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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"...when you have an equation that REQUIRES a factor of "(Then a miracle happens...)", "Cute cartoon, awful science.
14 posted on 11/20/2009 7:02:26 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: editor-surveyor

“Re-understood”...LOL!


15 posted on 11/20/2009 7:03:39 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: broncobilly

Creationsts (of my own stripe) sometimes make the mistake of saying the the 2nd law (”entropy law,” as it were)”disproves” evolution. This is not true, because an evolutionist can always make some sort of rescue dodge. For example, they might perhaps suggest that entropy has gone up and down in the past, cyclically. The problem is, evolutionary dogma is so plastic it cannot explain anything.
Yes, the earth is an open system; but simple raw, “unintelligent” energy will not assemble life, just as an energetic bull will not stack dishes by expending that energy willy-nilly in a china shop. Energy can bring order only if there is some sort of conversion device, and the conversion device itself would be very complicated.
It would be correct,however, to say that the 2nd Law does, at least, present tremendous problems for one who is defending the evolutionary position


16 posted on 11/20/2009 7:05:39 PM PST by Phantom4
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To: Natural Law

“How is entropy applicable to a non-closed system?:

There IS no non-closed system since we have only one universe. The universe is a system and it is in indeed closed...


17 posted on 11/20/2009 7:06:08 PM PST by babygene
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To: Phantom4

Did you read this section of the article?

“Entropy is not a manifestation of the second law of thermodynamics ... Entropy is much broader than the second law of thermodynamics.”


18 posted on 11/20/2009 7:09:52 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: babygene
"There IS no non-closed system since we have only one universe"

Then quantify the enthalpy in your so-called closed system. Jeez, I hate it when people who can't even balance their own checkbooks challenge the calulus of evolution.

19 posted on 11/20/2009 7:10:04 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

The energy provided by our sun has kept the second law of thermodynamics at bay within our local solar system so far.


20 posted on 11/20/2009 7:10:07 PM PST by RC one
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