Posted on 11/20/2009 10:52:26 PM PST by neverdem
A folder containing documents, data and emails purportedly "hacked" from Britain's Climate Research Unit (CRU) may be smoking gun proof of a worldwide conspiracy to exaggerate the existence, causation and threat of global warming. And the list of apparent conspirators includes many of the world's leading climate alarmists -- the very scientists on whose work the entire anthropogenic global warming theory is based.
In a Friday interview with Investigative Magazine's TGIF edition, CRU director Phillip Jones confirmed [PDF] that the incriminating documents, which have been widely disseminated online, are in fact genuine. Accordingly, whether indeed the labor of hackers, or instead that of a CRU whistleblower, the contents of the FOI2009 folder are now public record -- and that's nothing short of dynamite.
"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
It is distressing to read that American Stinker item. But Keith does seem to have got himself into a mess. As I pointed out in emails, Yamal is insignificant. And you say that (contrary to what M&M say) Yamal is *not* used in MBH, etc. So these facts alone are enough to shoot down M&M is a few sentences (which surely is the only way to go - complex and wordy responses will be counter productive). But, more generally, (even if it *is* irrelevant) how does Keith explain the McIntyre plot that compares Yamal-12 with Yamal-all? And how does he explain the apparent "selection" of the less well-replicated chronology rather that the later (better replicated) chronology?
Of course, I don't know how often Yamal-12 has really been used in recent, post-1995, work. I suspect from what you say it is much less often that M&M say - but where did they get their information? I presume they went thru papers to see if Yamal was cited, a pretty foolproof method if you ask me. Perhaps these things can be explained clearly and concisely - but I am not sure Keith is able to do this as he is too close to the issue and probably quite pissed of.
And the issue of with-holding data is still a hot potato, one that affects both you and Keith (and Mann). Yes, there are reasons - but many *good* scientists appear to be unsympathetic to these. The trouble here is that with-holding data looks like hiding something, and hiding means (in some eyes) that it is bogus science that is being hidden.
I think Keith needs to be very, very careful in how he handles this. I'd be willing to check over anything he puts together.
Tom.
I remain DEEPLY in your debt, sir.
Cheers!
ANYTHING touched by liberals is now trash. And that includes what we used to know as "science."
America -- a great idea, didn't last.
F- the Sierra Club, F- Greenpiss, F- EPA, and most of all F- Hussein and the Democrats. The LIE is being exposed. Get your pitchforks ready! Time to take it back!!
Don't put down science. The truth gets out eventually.
This Professor Jones character...probably needs to pull out his university credentials and check to see if ethics were tied to them. If so...he might want to consider a six-month vacation and recover some of his values...and dock his pay while he’s on this recovery period.
This is the part about science that I can’t understand. You have to show some ethical behavior in your research. The minute that you agree it’s not required....you basically aren’t dealing with science anymore...it’s science fiction. Then you need to sign up for Star Trek or some commune in Colorado.
I would say that everything Professor Jones has now written over the past decade or more...is suspect. I would expect the university to have a independent team to pull out the publications and start asking stupid questions. If things can’t be verified....then remove them as “facts”. It’s that simple. And if the university isn’t capable of that...then they need to remove themselves from science entirely...and start selling their degrees as science fiction.
E-mail is forever.
When did this ‘hacking’ take place? Strange that only 11/16 Copenhagen was announced a failure and some interim agreement was in the works.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=767358
While we knew we were being manipulated, I had always thought there was some actual form of evidence that these poseurs were using in order to coerce world behavior. I didn’t know they were actually deceptive from the get-go.
This will help liberals realize that they are EASILY led astray. Gee, do you think this whole Obama thing was all fake too? But we were made to look so intellectual! Oh no, what do I do with all my Shepherd Fairey tee shirts?? And the bumper stickers on my Prius?! Oh my gosh, my PRIUS!!
If you have not had a chance. Schedule several hours. Download this stuff and read through it. Start at the very end. Go back in time for a few weeks. Then Jump to the earliest e-mails. Pick some random discussions, look for correspondence about skeptics and the posted articles and papers as they discuss how to refute them.
To say it is extremely enlightening is an understatement.
I spent the past 4 hours reviewing their papers and e-mails.
BTW - Feel free to e-mail some of them with questions. All their e-mails are there.
That's the second time tonight that I've seen you utter this defeatist crap. And, on two different threads, no less.
Just what is your agenda here, Clint?
Yes. Please. Do explain this comment. Maybe you left something out or I don't get it.
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"This isn't the science I knew."
It was also instructive to visit much reviled "denier" Steve McIntyre's (Climate Audit) web page last night, before CRU admitted the hack: numerous posters (AGW skeptics, all) cautioned each other to be skeptical of these documents until the provenance of the files could be authoritatively verified. Quite a different approach to fact-checking on our side of the tracks.
WONDERFUL article! This sums it up nicely! :)
Something interesting is, we really don’t know how much data was hacked...
This is one of those things that could be the gift that keeps on giving...
Or in other words, this could be the first installment 62 MB of a possible much more. Who knows?
One would think if somebody had access to what they did, they had access to it all.
I agree. The left likes to leave traps into which the right falls like deadweight. I haven't yet read the supposedly CRU's hacked booty myself, other than the blockquotes in the story, but there's so much other crap that he left is doing!
bump
1) ACORN check-mate 2) CAIR check-mate 3) Globull Whoring check-mate 4) Obama pending 5) Democrats pending 2009 has turned out to be a great year!
Jones is going to Prison.
reference to read
Yea, verily, and forsooth.
It may take decades (or even centuries), but the truth ALWAYS comes out.
Options appear to be:
1. Send them the data
2. Send them a subset removing station data from some of the countries who made us pay in the normals papers of Hulme et al. (1990s) and also any number that David can remember. This should also omit some other countries like (Australia, NZ, Canada, Antarctica). Also could extract some of the sources that Anders added in (31-38 source codes in J&M 2003). Also should remove many of the early stations that we coded up in the 1980s.
3. Send them the raw data as is, by reconstructing it from GHCN. How could this be done? Replace all stations where the WMO ID agrees with what is in GHCN. This would be the raw data, but it would annoy them.
These crooks were actually planning to provide information that could mislead the world into thinking we were wrong and they were right!

“The evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so widely accepted that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=4&hp
So true. Wait and see. This is going to be bulldozed over by Monday. Watched FoxNews last night for 3 hours, and not a word was said about this. It was virtually all about Palin. The only thing that could de-rail the man-made global warming argument is if Al Gore, James Hansen, and Michael Mann themselves went on natl. television and said they faked the whole thing. Maybe not even then.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=767358
From that link:
“World leaders were hoping to negotiate a replacement for the expiring Kyoto Protocol in Copenhagen, but it appears that America’s failure to pass aggressive “cap-and-trade” measures are dooming the talks. On top of that, the global recession has soured many nations on passing further restrictions on greenhouse gases from power plants and businesses.” [let’s add]....
On top of that, there “may be smoking gun proof of a worldwide conspiracy to exaggerate the existence, causation and threat of global warming. And the list of apparent conspirators includes many of the world’s leading climate alarmists — the very scientists on whose work the entire anthropogenic global warming theory is based.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2391339/posts
This information needs to be shouted from the hilltops and Obama needs to be prevented from signing ANY treaty in Copenhagen.
I`ve lost count of how many “smoking guns” there have been in the last 5 years.
Yeah, funny thing...seems all the “targets” of the “smoking guns” were wearing bulletproof vests...and will continue to do so, IMO. Far too much invested into the whole of the agenda to allow anything to get in their way.
Your many posts exposing the global warming hoax have come to fruition. You did well, neverdem. Congratulations. And thanks to the many Freepers who contributed and exposed this fraud.
I’d imagine Sen. Inhofe is preparing a senate speech now on Al Gore’s fraud. It should be a barnburner.
I can hear the Gore cult crying now. Let’s not forget the democrat swine in the house who voted for cap and trade.
I’m thinking the rats will lose more than 100 seats in 2010. That will give the republicans the numbers to pass articles of impeachment against king obuma. And obuma is involved up to his eyeballs in this fraud with his bogus Chicago Climate Exchange. And this time the propaganda press can’t run interference because the MSM are co-conspirators in this crime. They will have no credibility.
I think we need a party. :-)
Thanks for the ping.
I didn’t need this as proof of a world wide climate bullsh*t program. Common sense told me that years ago.
It don’t matter . Most people are idiots . They see the climate as getting colder with their own eyes and still don’t believe it. What makes anyone think they will believe emails?
It ain’t over til its over. Radicals control the entire Federal Government and can do as they please for a year, more if the 2010 elections are stolen. More harm to come, count on it.
This is not going to be ‘good’ news to the ‘green’ industry and maybe the Weather Channel will get back to being a ‘weather channel’ and not some advertising ad provider for the ‘greenies’.
Please distribute far and wide!
You got thet right my friend.
They have such a tight hold on the idiots of the world that most of this won’t matter. It can be snowing in August and the greenies will cry global warming. The brainwashing is complete and I assure you not one mind will be swayed on either side of the issue anymore. I’ve yet to here a global warming freak say they have been convinced it’s a fraud.
Look at what Obama is doing to this country . Except for some independents his majority base still thinks he’s God’s gift to the world. Those people will NEVER change. Same situation.
Yes, but this is a SMOKING ARSENAL.
I would love to see prosecutions.
Sounds like the intro to “The Outer Limits”. :-)
BTTT
>>>It aint over til its over. Radicals control the entire Federal Government and can do as they please for a year, more if the 2010 elections are stolen. More harm to come, count on it.<<<
I’m with you. If the 2010 elections are successfully stolen by the left, at that point I’ll know that the Republic is really dead. Whether I go John Galt, Ethan Allen, or Thomas Paine is up in the air.
Sorry should have pointed to #10 at this link.
Have faith. The Republic will survive.
Why, yes, I am one of those who would have a problem with missing data. Call me unsophisticated, but I am just funny that way.
Thanks for posting, neverdem.
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