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The Evidence of Climate Fraud
American Thinker ^ | November 21, 2009 | Marc Sheppard

Posted on 11/20/2009 10:52:26 PM PST by neverdem

A folder containing documents, data and emails purportedly "hacked" from Britain's Climate Research Unit (CRU) may be smoking gun proof of a worldwide conspiracy to exaggerate the existence, causation and threat of global warming.  And the list of apparent conspirators includes many of the world's leading climate alarmists -- the very scientists on whose work the entire anthropogenic global warming theory is based.

In a Friday interview with Investigative Magazine's TGIF edition, CRU director Phillip Jones confirmed [PDF] that the incriminating documents, which have been widely disseminated online, are in fact genuine. Accordingly, whether indeed the labor of hackers, or instead that of a CRU whistleblower, the contents of the FOI2009 folder are now public record -- and that's nothing short of dynamite.


After all, the names of the email exchangers represent a who's who of the world's leading climate alarmism scientists, including Stephen Schneider, Gavin Schmidt and James Hansen.  And the words within seemingly betray an organized apparatus of deception.

In one particularly odious email dated November 1999, Jones writes to Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes:

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

Now, these are the same Mann, Bradley and Hughes whose MBH98 reconstruction (aka the "Hockey Stick" graph) -- which deceitfully depicts last millennium's global temperatures as flat prior to a dramatic upturn last century -- remains the poster-child of global warming hysteria despite being thoroughly debunked.  And here we find Jones writing the three the following year admitting to using Mann's "trick" to "hide" a temperature decline.

Not surprisingly, the Keith mentioned is none other than CRU's own Keith Briffa, another Hockey-Team leader, whose temperature graphs, derived from Yamal, Russia tree ring data, were cited by the IPCC as supporting evidence of MBH's assertion of unprecedented 20th century warming.  But as we reported at the time -- that buttress crumbled last month when Briffa's results were proven to stand no more reliably than Mann's.

Ultimately, neither reconstruction attained its alarmist-imperative-goal of proving today’s global temperatures to be unprecedented.  Despite repeated fraudulent efforts to demonstrate otherwise, 20th century highs remain documented as several degrees cooler than those of the Medieval Warming Period of 900-1300 AD.  Bad news for the mankind-stinks crowd in general.  Worse news for those actually involved in this devious deception.  

Both Mann and Briffa had been challenged for years to produce their data, methods and source code by Climate Audit's Steve McIntyre. Both ignored the tenets of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) McIntyre cited, and fought every effort to induce their coming clean.  And actually not without good reason -- last month CRU was effectively forced to release the Yamal data, whereupon an analysis by McIntyre proved that Briffa et al. had cherry-picked and manipulated data, intentionally omitting records not friendly to their position.

And we now know that on the very day our expose of the Briffa scandal, UN Climate Reports: They Lie, appeared here at AT, Jones forwarded this email response from Tom Wigley of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research to Briffa: [my emphasis]

It is distressing to read that American Stinker item. But Keith does seem to have got himself into a mess. As I pointed out in emails, Yamal is insignificant. And you say that (contrary to what M&M say) Yamal is *not* used in MBH, etc. So these facts alone are enough to shoot down M&M is a few sentences (which surely is the only way to go - complex and wordy responses will be counter productive). But, more generally, (even if it *is* irrelevant) how does Keith explain the McIntyre plot that compares Yamal-12 with Yamal-all? And how does he explain the apparent "selection" of the less well-replicated chronology rather that the later (better replicated) chronology?


Of course, I don't know how often Yamal-12 has really been used in recent, post-1995, work. I suspect from what you say it is much less often that M&M say - but where did they get their information? I presume they went thru papers to see if Yamal was cited, a pretty foolproof method if you ask me. Perhaps these things can be explained clearly and concisely - but I am not sure Keith is able to do this as he is too close to the issue and probably quite pissed of.

And the issue of with-holding data is still a hot potato, one that affects both you and Keith (and Mann). Yes, there are reasons - but many *good* scientists appear to be unsympathetic to these. The trouble here is that with-holding data looks like hiding something, and hiding means (in some eyes) that it is bogus science that is being hidden.

I think Keith needs to be very, very careful in how he handles this. I'd be willing to check over anything he puts together.
Tom.
Beyond his sophomoric cheap shot at this fine publication’s highly regarded name, Wigley admitted that McIntyre’s comparison of “Yamal-12 with Yamal-all” implied a "selection" of data on the part of Briffa.  Yet his concern was not one of scientific integrity, but instead that Briffa may not be up to the task of properly “explaining” the data cherry-picking as he is “too close to the issue and probably quite pissed of[f].”  And while offering his assistance in the cover up, imploring caution as “in some eyes” it might appear they’re hiding “bogus science,” Wigley actually defended the practice of withholding data.

Perchance the hitherto sequestered April 2007 document entitled jones-foiathoughts.doc, concerning reactions to FOIA inquiries might lend some insight into CRU’s atrocious reporting policies. Within, Jones lists 3 options to such requests.  As an alternative to the first of actual compliance, he suggests he and his coconspirators might “send them a subset removing station data from some of the countries” and “remove many of the early stations that we coded up in the 1980s.”  Or perhaps “send them the raw data as is, by reconstructing it from GHCN (Global Historical Climatology Network),” adding that “this would be the raw data, but it would annoy them.”

Amazing.  And yet  -- but the tip of the seasonally advancing iceberg.  Communiqués suborning subterfuge abound here, including one from May of 2008 in which Jones actually exhorts Mann to “delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4” and to entreat others to perform likewise. Was this in fact a fourth (and likely illegal) Jones option for dealing with McIntyre’s FOIA requests?

There appear to be thousands of emails, documents, reports, and data files to review here. So I’m sure this fledgling story will continue to evolve as greater minds than mine analyze them throughout the weekend.  For those sporting taste buds leaning toward the technical, rest assured that both Climate Audit and Watts Up With That will certainly be whetting those appetites until properly sated.  Needless to say, look no further than American Thinker for continuing political analysis.  And for those of you wishing to join in this criminal investigation, the FOI2009 folder is available for download here.

Criminal?  Oh yes, indeed.  As this mock-science serves as justification for Trillions of dollars in imposed and proposed new taxes, liens, fees and rate hikes, not to mention the absurd wealth-redistribution premise of international climate debt “reparations,” such manipulation of evidence should be treated as exactly what it is – larceny on the grandest scale in history.

Sorry Al – the science hasn’t been settled, it’s merely been meddled.



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1 posted on 11/20/2009 10:52:27 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Thanks for posting this!

I remain DEEPLY in your debt, sir.

Cheers!

2 posted on 11/20/2009 10:55:59 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem; Genesis defender; markomalley; scripter; proud_yank; grey_whiskers; FrPR; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 11/20/2009 11:02:28 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: neverdem
And the list of apparent conspirators includes many of the world's leading climate alarmists -- the very scientists on whose work the entire anthropogenic global warming theory is based.

ANYTHING touched by liberals is now trash. And that includes what we used to know as "science."

4 posted on 11/20/2009 11:05:49 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: neverdem
We long suspected the self-professed eggheads to be compleat liars, and now we know the truth. Rack 'em all, and bring back the good old Dark Ages. /s

America -- a great idea, didn't last.

5 posted on 11/20/2009 11:08:47 PM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Clint Williams

F- the Sierra Club, F- Greenpiss, F- EPA, and most of all F- Hussein and the Democrats. The LIE is being exposed. Get your pitchforks ready! Time to take it back!!


6 posted on 11/20/2009 11:22:15 PM PST by Xeroes80 ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools."- EH)
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To: sionnsar
ANYTHING touched by liberals is now trash. And that includes what we used to know as "science."

Don't put down science. The truth gets out eventually.

7 posted on 11/20/2009 11:23:28 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
MAN-BEAR-PIG Is Dead!… Emails Prove Global Warming Junk Science Conspiracy (Updated)
8 posted on 11/20/2009 11:24:43 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: grey_whiskers

This Professor Jones character...probably needs to pull out his university credentials and check to see if ethics were tied to them. If so...he might want to consider a six-month vacation and recover some of his values...and dock his pay while he’s on this recovery period.

This is the part about science that I can’t understand. You have to show some ethical behavior in your research. The minute that you agree it’s not required....you basically aren’t dealing with science anymore...it’s science fiction. Then you need to sign up for Star Trek or some commune in Colorado.

I would say that everything Professor Jones has now written over the past decade or more...is suspect. I would expect the university to have a independent team to pull out the publications and start asking stupid questions. If things can’t be verified....then remove them as “facts”. It’s that simple. And if the university isn’t capable of that...then they need to remove themselves from science entirely...and start selling their degrees as science fiction.


9 posted on 11/20/2009 11:28:18 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: neverdem
one from May of 2008 in which Jones actually exhorts Mann to “delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4” and to entreat others to perform likewise.

E-mail is forever.

10 posted on 11/20/2009 11:28:44 PM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: neverdem

When did this ‘hacking’ take place? Strange that only 11/16 Copenhagen was announced a failure and some interim agreement was in the works.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=767358


11 posted on 11/20/2009 11:32:53 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: neverdem

While we knew we were being manipulated, I had always thought there was some actual form of evidence that these poseurs were using in order to coerce world behavior. I didn’t know they were actually deceptive from the get-go.

This will help liberals realize that they are EASILY led astray. Gee, do you think this whole Obama thing was all fake too? But we were made to look so intellectual! Oh no, what do I do with all my Shepherd Fairey tee shirts?? And the bumper stickers on my Prius?! Oh my gosh, my PRIUS!!


12 posted on 11/20/2009 11:40:45 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: neverdem

If you have not had a chance. Schedule several hours. Download this stuff and read through it. Start at the very end. Go back in time for a few weeks. Then Jump to the earliest e-mails. Pick some random discussions, look for correspondence about skeptics and the posted articles and papers as they discuss how to refute them.

To say it is extremely enlightening is an understatement.

I spent the past 4 hours reviewing their papers and e-mails.

BTW - Feel free to e-mail some of them with questions. All their e-mails are there.


13 posted on 11/20/2009 11:41:45 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: Clint Williams
America -- a great idea, didn't last.

That's the second time tonight that I've seen you utter this defeatist crap. And, on two different threads, no less.

Just what is your agenda here, Clint?

14 posted on 11/20/2009 11:43:48 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Clint Williams
America -- a great idea, didn't last.

Yes. Please. Do explain this comment. Maybe you left something out or I don't get it.

15 posted on 11/20/2009 11:47:08 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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16 posted on 11/20/2009 11:53:30 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Sorry Al – the science hasn’t been settled, it’s merely been meddled.

Manbearpig's ass has been gored.
17 posted on 11/20/2009 11:55:16 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: grey_whiskers
With no irony, only sorrow:

"This isn't the science I knew."

18 posted on 11/20/2009 11:59:12 PM PST by FredZarguna ("Just get me one terrorist on that jury and the case is mine.")
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To: neverdem; grey_whiskers; All
FReeper BP2 has done a nice job picking out some of the more incriminating outtakes. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2391062/posts?page=53#53

It was also instructive to visit much reviled "denier" Steve McIntyre's (Climate Audit) web page last night, before CRU admitted the hack: numerous posters (AGW skeptics, all) cautioned each other to be skeptical of these documents until the provenance of the files could be authoritatively verified. Quite a different approach to fact-checking on our side of the tracks.

19 posted on 11/21/2009 12:11:52 AM PST by FredZarguna ("Just get me one terrorist on that jury and the case is mine.")
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To: neverdem

WONDERFUL article! This sums it up nicely! :)


20 posted on 11/21/2009 12:29:07 AM PST by Marie (Is there a crack smoking epidemic in the media that I was unaware of? It was TERRORISM!)
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To: neverdem

Something interesting is, we really don’t know how much data was hacked...

This is one of those things that could be the gift that keeps on giving...

Or in other words, this could be the first installment 62 MB of a possible much more. Who knows?

One would think if somebody had access to what they did, they had access to it all.


21 posted on 11/21/2009 12:42:07 AM PST by DB
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To: FredZarguna
It was also instructive to visit much reviled "denier" Steve McIntyre's (Climate Audit) web page last night, before CRU admitted the hack: numerous posters (AGW skeptics, all) cautioned each other to be skeptical of these documents until the provenance of the files could be authoritatively verified. Quite a different approach to fact-checking on our side of the tracks.

I agree. The left likes to leave traps into which the right falls like deadweight. I haven't yet read the supposedly CRU's hacked booty myself, other than the blockquotes in the story, but there's so much other crap that he left is doing!

22 posted on 11/21/2009 1:20:56 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

bump


23 posted on 11/21/2009 1:22:09 AM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: neverdem
1) ACORN            check-mate
2) CAIR             check-mate
3) Globull Whoring  check-mate
4) Obama            pending
5) Democrats        pending

2009 has turned out to be a great year!

24 posted on 11/21/2009 1:37:20 AM PST by ROTB ("By any means necessary" is evil. See what God thinks of "rising oceans" in Jeremiah 5:22)
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To: pepsionice

Jones is going to Prison.


25 posted on 11/21/2009 1:48:38 AM PST by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: neverdem
YOU THINK UNCOVERING OUR CONSPIRACY IS GOING TO SAVE YOU? WE OWN SCIENCE. WE OWN MANY RELIGIONS. WE OWN THE GOVERNMENT. WE OWN ALL THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS AND THEIR PEOPLE COMPLETELY. WE OWN TELEVISION. WE OWN THE MOVIES. WE OWN MUSIC. WE OWN ENOUGH MINORITIES AND FOOLS TO MAKE A MAJORITY. AND - MOST IMPORTANTLY - WE OWN THE UNIVERSITIES, THE SCHOOLS, THE TEXTBOOKS, THE TEACHERS AND YOUR KIDS! WHO'S GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU? MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!
26 posted on 11/21/2009 2:21:10 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: All

reference to read


27 posted on 11/21/2009 2:31:19 AM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: neverdem; sionnsar
"Don't put down science. The truth gets out eventually."

Yea, verily, and forsooth.

It may take decades (or even centuries), but the truth ALWAYS comes out.

28 posted on 11/21/2009 3:34:17 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: All
Scanning through this large pot of information and found file "jones-foiathoughts.doc" in path "FOIA\documents\". Quoting the contents:

Options appear to be:

1. Send them the data

2. Send them a subset removing station data from some of the countries who made us pay in the normals papers of Hulme et al. (1990s) and also any number that David can remember. This should also omit some other countries like (Australia, NZ, Canada, Antarctica). Also could extract some of the sources that Anders added in (31-38 source codes in J&M 2003). Also should remove many of the early stations that we coded up in the 1980s.

3. Send them the raw data as is, by reconstructing it from GHCN. How could this be done? Replace all stations where the WMO ID agrees with what is in GHCN. This would be the raw data, but it would annoy them.

These crooks were actually planning to provide information that could mislead the world into thinking we were wrong and they were right!

29 posted on 11/21/2009 3:36:40 AM PST by egfowler3 (Ask advice from everyone, but act with your own mind.)
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To: neverdem

Fie To Ye Deniers! Fie I Say!
30 posted on 11/21/2009 5:09:01 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: neverdem

“The evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so widely accepted that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=4&hp

So true. Wait and see. This is going to be bulldozed over by Monday. Watched FoxNews last night for 3 hours, and not a word was said about this. It was virtually all about Palin. The only thing that could de-rail the man-made global warming argument is if Al Gore, James Hansen, and Michael Mann themselves went on natl. television and said they faked the whole thing. Maybe not even then.


31 posted on 11/21/2009 5:29:42 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: Just mythoughts

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=767358

From that link:

“World leaders were hoping to negotiate a replacement for the expiring Kyoto Protocol in Copenhagen, but it appears that America’s failure to pass aggressive “cap-and-trade” measures are dooming the talks. On top of that, the global recession has soured many nations on passing further restrictions on greenhouse gases from power plants and businesses.” [let’s add]....

On top of that, there “may be smoking gun proof of a worldwide conspiracy to exaggerate the existence, causation and threat of global warming. And the list of apparent conspirators includes many of the world’s leading climate alarmists — the very scientists on whose work the entire anthropogenic global warming theory is based.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2391339/posts

This information needs to be shouted from the hilltops and Obama needs to be prevented from signing ANY treaty in Copenhagen.


32 posted on 11/21/2009 5:39:29 AM PST by Kimberly GG ((Come On Sarah - NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP & ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT))
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To: Kimberly GG

I`ve lost count of how many “smoking guns” there have been in the last 5 years.


33 posted on 11/21/2009 5:50:09 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Yeah, funny thing...seems all the “targets” of the “smoking guns” were wearing bulletproof vests...and will continue to do so, IMO. Far too much invested into the whole of the agenda to allow anything to get in their way.


34 posted on 11/21/2009 5:55:04 AM PST by Kimberly GG ((Come On Sarah - NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP & ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT))
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To: neverdem

Your many posts exposing the global warming hoax have come to fruition. You did well, neverdem. Congratulations. And thanks to the many Freepers who contributed and exposed this fraud.

I’d imagine Sen. Inhofe is preparing a senate speech now on Al Gore’s fraud. It should be a barnburner.

I can hear the Gore cult crying now. Let’s not forget the democrat swine in the house who voted for cap and trade.

I’m thinking the rats will lose more than 100 seats in 2010. That will give the republicans the numbers to pass articles of impeachment against king obuma. And obuma is involved up to his eyeballs in this fraud with his bogus Chicago Climate Exchange. And this time the propaganda press can’t run interference because the MSM are co-conspirators in this crime. They will have no credibility.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/25/obama-years-ago-helped-fund-carbon-program-pushing-congress/

I think we need a party. :-)


35 posted on 11/21/2009 5:56:35 AM PST by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping.


36 posted on 11/21/2009 7:14:55 AM PST by GOPJ (ObamaCare - slush fund scam that would make Bernie Madoff blush.)
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To: Clint Williams

I didn’t need this as proof of a world wide climate bullsh*t program. Common sense told me that years ago.
It don’t matter . Most people are idiots . They see the climate as getting colder with their own eyes and still don’t believe it. What makes anyone think they will believe emails?


37 posted on 11/21/2009 7:17:56 AM PST by sonic109 (and...what are we going to do about it ? NOTHING)
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To: neverdem

It ain’t over til its over. Radicals control the entire Federal Government and can do as they please for a year, more if the 2010 elections are stolen. More harm to come, count on it.


38 posted on 11/21/2009 7:25:42 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: Kimberly GG
Have you found when the hacking took place? Meaning date and time.

This is not going to be ‘good’ news to the ‘green’ industry and maybe the Weather Channel will get back to being a ‘weather channel’ and not some advertising ad provider for the ‘greenies’.

39 posted on 11/21/2009 7:36:06 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: neverdem; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...

Please distribute far and wide!


40 posted on 11/21/2009 7:38:33 AM PST by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: ricks_place

You got thet right my friend.
They have such a tight hold on the idiots of the world that most of this won’t matter. It can be snowing in August and the greenies will cry global warming. The brainwashing is complete and I assure you not one mind will be swayed on either side of the issue anymore. I’ve yet to here a global warming freak say they have been convinced it’s a fraud.
Look at what Obama is doing to this country . Except for some independents his majority base still thinks he’s God’s gift to the world. Those people will NEVER change. Same situation.


41 posted on 11/21/2009 8:00:13 AM PST by sonic109 (and...what are we going to do about it ? NOTHING)
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To: narses

42 posted on 11/21/2009 8:00:32 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: chessplayer
I`ve lost count of how many “smoking guns” there have been in the last 5 years.

Yes, but this is a SMOKING ARSENAL.

I would love to see prosecutions.

43 posted on 11/21/2009 8:42:43 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Sounds like the intro to “The Outer Limits”. :-)


44 posted on 11/21/2009 9:04:37 AM PST by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: Caleb1411

BTTT


45 posted on 11/21/2009 9:10:58 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: ricks_place

>>>It ain’t over til its over. Radicals control the entire Federal Government and can do as they please for a year, more if the 2010 elections are stolen. More harm to come, count on it.<<<

I’m with you. If the 2010 elections are successfully stolen by the left, at that point I’ll know that the Republic is really dead. Whether I go John Galt, Ethan Allen, or Thomas Paine is up in the air.


46 posted on 11/21/2009 10:29:16 AM PST by redpoll
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To: Kimberly GG

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/open-letter/#comment-11917


47 posted on 11/21/2009 10:33:22 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Kimberly GG

Sorry should have pointed to #10 at this link.


48 posted on 11/21/2009 10:35:55 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: redpoll

Have faith. The Republic will survive.


49 posted on 11/21/2009 10:53:10 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: neverdem
Sorry Al – the science hasn’t been settled, it’s merely been meddled.

Why, yes, I am one of those who would have a problem with missing data. Call me unsophisticated, but I am just funny that way.

Thanks for posting, neverdem.

50 posted on 11/21/2009 11:15:36 AM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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