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The Death Blow to Climate Science (Great read!)
Canada Free Press ^ | November 21, 2009 | Dr. Tim Ball

Posted on 11/21/2009 6:30:39 AM PST by maggief

Global Warming is often called a hoax. I disagree because a hoax has a humorous intent to puncture pomposity. In science, such as with the Piltdown Man hoax, it was done to expose those with fervent but blind belief. The argument that global warming is due to humans, known as the anthropogenic global warming theory (AGW) is a deliberate fraud. I can now make that statement without fear of contradiction because of a remarkable hacking of files that provided not just a smoking gun, but an entire battery of machine guns.

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1 posted on 11/21/2009 6:30:40 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Total Control

These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game.

CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing. It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”

You can download the climate change fraud documents from the link below:
http://www.filedropper.com/foi2009 or http://www.megaupload.com/?d=003LKN94

“Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”


2 posted on 11/21/2009 6:31:00 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Remember Galileo!!!


3 posted on 11/21/2009 6:33:13 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: maggief

Excellent talking point. I used to call it a hoax, but I now call it a fraud. Different connotation, with facts to back it up. We need to put a nail in this coffin.


4 posted on 11/21/2009 6:33:47 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: maggief; Beowulf; Genesis defender; markomalley; scripter; proud_yank; grey_whiskers; FrPR; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

5 posted on 11/21/2009 6:34:32 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

>> I now call it a fraud.

Another point: hoaxes don’t have a profit motive, whereas frauds usually involve $$$$$MONEY$$$$$.

That’s what Global Warmism is all about... MONEY fraud of breathtaking proportion never before seen in the history of mankind.


6 posted on 11/21/2009 6:36:47 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Since the info was gotten illegally, I guess these crooks can’t be prosecuted? Boy wouldn’t that be sweet, the courtroom circus and all. The DBM couldn’t avoid covering it.


7 posted on 11/21/2009 6:38:49 AM PST by DAC21
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To: maggief
If it weren't for the Healthcare voting this would (or should have) gotten a lot more coverage here. I hope it is raising holy hell in Europe!
8 posted on 11/21/2009 6:39:33 AM PST by Dem Guard
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To: maggief

One of the CO2 Liberals on a RANT on a conservative talk show... when the Host got the LIB to SHUT UP for a second, he asked...
“when we INHALE, we take in OXYGEN.. what do we release when we EXHALE?”

The caller said... “I’m NOT a SCIENTIST and never CLAIMED TO BE.”

I Laughed until I realized it was not a setup


9 posted on 11/21/2009 6:41:19 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: maggief

Best article yet on this.


10 posted on 11/21/2009 6:41:32 AM PST by Always Right
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To: ClearCase_guy

To slightly misquote Dan Rather, “Fake but Real”.


11 posted on 11/21/2009 6:43:06 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: DAC21

**Boy wouldn’t that be sweet, the courtroom circus and all.**

All the Info the DEFENSE would have to Demand for a proper defense..

LOL


12 posted on 11/21/2009 6:43:37 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: maggief

A lot of powerful people have a lot invested in the Global Warming theory so I suspect these miscreants will not have their careers destroyed as they deserve, but they will lose influence.


13 posted on 11/21/2009 6:44:03 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: DAC21
Actually, the only evidence that is barred from admission on the basis of improper acquisition is that which is taken by the State.

Most common case is vengeful about-to-be-ex-wife who turns evidence of crime over to the police. It's not a Fourth Amendment violation because the police didn't lift a finger to get it -- even if the wife used improper means to obtain it. Same is true for roommates, landlords, ex-girlfriends, etc.

So the hackers, not being government agents, didn't render this evidence inadmissible in court. Stand by for some fun and games!

14 posted on 11/21/2009 6:44:38 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: maggief
This is a good article. In the days to come, remember the SRM guidelines in dealing with “leaks.” If the information harms the left, focus only on the illegality of the leaks. If it harms the right, focus on the information contained in the leaks. You can easily envision any SRM stories even before they are written or broadcast. They're in a corner now, watch them fight.
15 posted on 11/21/2009 6:45:28 AM PST by JPG (Obama's plan for America...today, Labor Unions...tomorrow, Labor Camps.)
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To: DAC21
"Since the info was gotten illegally, I guess these crooks can’t be prosecuted?"

I think that restriction only applies if law enforcement collects the info illegally. That isn't the case here, this is a private individual or group. Any lawyers here know???

16 posted on 11/21/2009 6:45:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Always Right

I agree.


17 posted on 11/21/2009 6:45:54 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
That's quite the J'accuse. Dr. Ball, being a Canadian like myself, might wind up facing a lawsuit for defamation because he used the words "deliberate fraud." The bar for successfully claiming defamation is set much lower in Canadian law than in American law. I can say that he's run a real risk to get his message out. [If you don't believe me, ask about Richard Warman at the Free Dominion.]

As I said on another thread, demonstrating legal fraud would require a private E-mail that: a) admits that the data for a paper was salted, and b) says the data-salting was necessary to secure further funding. Both establish that money was appropriated on false pretenses. Data-massaging that isn't used to secure further funding may be breach of the contract with the grantor.

18 posted on 11/21/2009 6:49:41 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: maggief
Father of Climatology Throws Up at the Thought of Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth'
19 posted on 11/21/2009 6:50:08 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: maggief

Which lefty in the MSM is going to be the first to break away and admit they’ve been pushing the biggest fraud in history?


20 posted on 11/21/2009 6:50:08 AM PST by NotSoModerate
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To: maggief

So what other form of global ‘disaster’ will they come up with in order to try to control us? Aliens from outer space coming to attack?

If this one finally bites the dust, they’ll think of something else. I hope people don’t swallow the koolaid again. There’s probably going to be fools who still believe in man-made global warming no matter what the facts say.


21 posted on 11/21/2009 6:50:15 AM PST by sneakers
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To: JPG

Wait til the EPA starts regulating based on the flawed SCOTUS ruling that CO2 is a pollutant.


22 posted on 11/21/2009 6:50:18 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: maggief

AP has reassigned it’s 11 fact checker ‘journalists’ from Sarah Palin to this bust......right.


23 posted on 11/21/2009 6:50:29 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama is a DIC....... Ditherer-in-Chief)
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To: Dem Guard

I’ve see and read and heard ZERO about this, other than right here...(and now the source link)


24 posted on 11/21/2009 6:51:50 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama is a DIC....... Ditherer-in-Chief)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I used to call it a hoax, but I now call it a fraud.

True.

It was designed to suck funds from governments, via taxes, into self-interested concerns.

To quote Judge Judy: "Follow the money."

Who got and are getting rich off of this fraud?

The trouble is, who can investigate? Major world governments can't, because they voted for the various funding bills. Look at how many of our own politicians have been 'sold' on this fraud just during the last decade.

Massive amounts of $money have exchanged hands. And government entities have been the brokers.

How many $billions has this fraud cost taxpayers throughout the world?
25 posted on 11/21/2009 6:54:07 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: DAC21
Since the info was gotten illegally, I guess these crooks can’t be prosecuted?

No, the evidence would be admissible as long as it wasn't the government that stole the evidence.

They won't be prosecuted because the Government is part of the conspiracy.

26 posted on 11/21/2009 6:54:25 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: maggief

Latest Weather Channel Headline:
GORE’S GLOBAL FLATULENCE CAUSED DEATH OF PILTDOWN MAN!


27 posted on 11/21/2009 6:55:01 AM PST by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Not a word yet from the drive bys...
Maybe Monday.
28 posted on 11/21/2009 6:55:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: NotSoModerate
Let's see what the only good looking lesbian in historyTM Tammy Bruce has to say: she sometimes rejects the kool-aid.

Cheers!

29 posted on 11/21/2009 6:57:25 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: maggief
I wonder if it was really a hacker or if it was a disgusted, disillusioned insider.

Either way, well done!

30 posted on 11/21/2009 6:59:19 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: ErnBatavia

If Sarah posted this on Facebook MSM would jump all over it.


31 posted on 11/21/2009 6:59:58 AM PST by maggief
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To: danielmryan
That's quite the J'accuse. Dr. Ball, being a Canadian like myself, might wind up facing a lawsuit for defamation because he used the words "deliberate fraud."

Do your courts allow discovery? If these frauds try to being a suit against him he can request all of their documents involving global warming. And really blow the lid off of this thing.

32 posted on 11/21/2009 7:00:20 AM PST by NotSoModerate
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To: DAC21
Since the info was gotten illegally, I guess these crooks can’t be prosecuted?

That may not apply. Even if private corporate interests were involved, the funds were mostly through government grants and programs. Thus, the taxpayers have an explicit interest. Something like the whistle-blower protection act may have a higher priority than the act of hacking the computers.

Also, in these kinds of things, it is additional cover-ups that create more jail sentences than the initial fraud. And you can bet officials on both sides (government and private recipients) are trying to find ways to cover their involvement.

The global carbon footprint created from the document shredders and hard drive erasures is going to be massive. lol
33 posted on 11/21/2009 7:00:38 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: maggief

Best line of the article: “Jones claims the files were obtained illegally as if that absolves the content. It doesn’t and it is enough to destroy all their careers.”


34 posted on 11/21/2009 7:01:34 AM PST by StarCMC (Sometimes you need a Jimmy Carter to get a Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
A lot of powerful people have a lot invested in the Global Warming theory so I suspect these miscreants will not have their careers destroyed as they deserve, but they will lose influence.

The Global Warming fraud is another one of those "too big to fail" entities. Governments have pumped too much money into it and too many private companies have vested interest in it.
35 posted on 11/21/2009 7:04:06 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: DAC21
Since the info was gotten illegally, I guess these crooks can’t be prosecuted?

Yep, that's right. Even Dirty Harry couldn't get away with it.

36 posted on 11/21/2009 7:05:42 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: DAC21

“Since the info was gotten illegally, I guess these crooks can’t be prosecuted?”

In this type of case, where much worse crimes than distribution of the information occurred, the whistleblower (I believe this was an inside job myself) is absolved, and the guilty prosecuted. At least here in the US. Besides, all of this came from a publicly funded institution, and should have been accessible under FOIA laws over there. I understand a flood of new requests were made yesterday. ;-)

We’ll see how it goes, but I’m guessing the guilty at CRU didn’t sleep too well last night.


37 posted on 11/21/2009 7:10:03 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“A lot of powerful people have a lot invested in the Global Warming theory ...”

ie. bailed-out GE/NBC/MSNBC

Any wonder why they are covering the story?

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090520141935.aspx

GE’s Jeff Immelt: Global Warming ‘Compelling’; Cap-and-Trade Most ‘Effective’ Way to Go
CEO of parent company of NBC Universal argues for carbon price to create ‘certainty.’


38 posted on 11/21/2009 7:10:09 AM PST by maggief
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To: Sacajaweau
Remember Galileo!!!

Isn't he the dude Queen sings about in that really long song they did?

39 posted on 11/21/2009 7:10:49 AM PST by murdoog ("Aim high. Shoot straight. Praise the Lord. Audit the FED." Gary North)
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To: maggief

oops ...

Any wonder why they are NOT covering the story?


40 posted on 11/21/2009 7:11:24 AM PST by maggief
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To: AnAmericanMother
Are you sure that "improperly" covers illegality? I'm not talking about sufficient grounds for a further investigation, I mean illegally-obtained evidence by a private-citizen third party that's the linchpin of a criminal case against the defendant, and not the third party...
41 posted on 11/21/2009 7:11:56 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: NotSoModerate
Do your courts allow discovery? If these frauds try to being a suit against him he can request all of their documents involving global warming. And really blow the lid off of this thing.

Yes, they do, as one of the valid defenses against defamation is "truth." Canadian courts tend to be less accomodative of fishing expeditions than American courts, though.

42 posted on 11/21/2009 7:17:26 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: PreciousLiberty


In one of the actual emails, the sender stated that he hoped nobody on the outside was aware of FOIA.

There were several emails related to FOIA: Alleged CRU Emails - Searchable: FOIA [FYI]
43 posted on 11/21/2009 7:23:52 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Yes, my list of the offenses on another thread went:

1) Illegal resistance to FOIA requests
2) Tampering with scientific data to support CAGW
3) Probable destruction of data to prevent peer replication (or not) of results
4) Suppression of scientific data that contradicted their theories
5) Suppression of opposing scientific viewpoints in peer reviewed publications (then claiming that due to few peer reviewed papers being published the other side had no evidence)
6) Guidelines for brainwashing the gullible masses with their viewpoint
7) Probable money laundering

Several major players (including the creator of the “hockey stick” graph) are in big trouble.


44 posted on 11/21/2009 7:27:34 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: DAC21

Yes, they can. They have violated the FOIA on numerous occassions. If this information came from an internal “whistleblower” source, then they’re up a very “muddy” creek without a paddle.


45 posted on 11/21/2009 7:34:28 AM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: PreciousLiberty
One important point: they could well be nailed without reference to any of those leaked E-mails. The tree-ring cherry-picking scandal, in and of itself, can serve as grounds for further investigation because the "we must make the Medieval Warming Period disappear" E-mail can be reasonably construed as showing intent to defraud amongst the AGW boys.

Unless the statute of limitations pre-empts, all you'd need is an aggressive prosecutor.

46 posted on 11/21/2009 7:38:52 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: NotSoModerate
Which lefty in the MSM is going to be the first to break away and admit they’ve been pushing the biggest fraud in history?

None. The day the talking points go out, they will all lockstep it with whatever liberal spin they are instructed to give it.

47 posted on 11/21/2009 7:42:55 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: danielmryan

“One important point: they could well be nailed without reference to any of those leaked E-mails.”

Many of those emails were to folks here in the States, which can now be requested under our own FOIA laws.

I don’t think the “hack” aspect will be significant going forward. It was the last, desperate, line of defense for CRU - and it’s crumbling.


48 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:21 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: TomGuy

FOIA certainly applies. But so do the basic tenets of science in the West.

When you put forward an important scientific hypothesis, such as AGW, then you need to make public the evidence on which it is based. This gives other scientists the opportunity to check the evidence and to check your math.

Refusal to make the evidence available undermines a scientist’s scientific credibility in the most basic way possible. It’s as if Galileo had said, “The earth moves,” but refused to supply any of the evidence on which he based that hypothesis.

The climate skeptics asked these climatologists, “Where’s your evidence.” And they replied, “Shut up! You’re not an accepted member of the Gang. No grants for you, and no academic tenure, and no chance to publish in any of the journals we control.”


49 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: maggief
Dr. Ball's article is important, and I hope that IBD or the WSJ sees fit to put out some editorials from Dr. Ball and/or other scientists working in this area.

The larger science community cannot be silent on this appearance of gross fraud by this small group.

50 posted on 11/21/2009 7:48:08 AM PST by snowsislander
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