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Posted on 11/21/2009 9:43:50 AM PST by kristinn
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Every single one of us who feels despair and helplessness. Sad isn't it?
You seem to find these threads full of distraught conservatives and cut and paste your defeatist diatribes from other, earlier threads. Why? If we get bad law, we have to deal with it. Folding up into the fetal position is not dealing with it. Who are you?
Try this. What if, rather than just talking about how miserable we all are, we get as many people as possible to sign off on the Manhattan Declaration? Basically, it preempts the wait to November 2010 by drawing a line in the sand right now. That declaration sends a clear message that all who sign it will engage in conscientious civil disobedience. Simply put, we will not comply. If only a handful do this, it will go nowhere. But if the naysayers among us would stop throwing cold water on hot spirits, we could get this teapot to critical mass and finally boil over. Any thoughts?
By then, the Hussein-Health-Hell will be enshrined into law, the Kenyan Commie will have a treasure chest as large as the PORKULUS BILL + HIS CULTISTS' DONATIONS to distribute, and liberty will continue to die her ignoble death.
Our lives are in deep trouble, and people like Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Joe Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln--who could have stood up tall for once in their lives--are allowing us to be sold down the river.
Pray for America. God help us all.
I'd like to read it.
Gotcha, thank you.
That's correct as far as it goes, but I'm pretty sure you are conflating various aspects of the parliamentary process.
The cloture widget can come up more than once. It's function is to get around objection. If there is no objection to "whatever," then there is no need to use cloture.
Compounding the confusion, the cloture widget can come into play before a bill is brought to the floor, on voting for any amendment or even for all amendments, if all of them are controversial, and on final passage. Here's a purely hypothetical scenario:
If cloture does NOT pass, that means unlimited debate can go on. Sometimes the leader keeps the same point as the object of debate before the Senate (even to the point of having multiple cloture motions and votes on exactly the same point of contention), sometimes the leader takes a failure to get 60 votes as a cue to withdraw "whatever" it is that is being objected to.
There's a time to quit, and a time to fight.
Here's the thing: If neither of you recognizes the global march to
socialism Marxism and simply chooses to run away, eventually it'll catch up to you and eat you alive. It's like feeding an alligator - it only leaves you alone as long as you have someone else to feed it. When you run out of other people the alligator knows it's your turn to be his lunch.
Your choice is to Stand and fight with the rest of us, or run and become alligator food later.
Your choice, go look in the mirror and figure out which you can live with.
My bad on the assumption. Gotcha, I'm with ya.
Thanks for your explanation.
This is the ONLY way to get rid of these traitorous bastards! We have to starve the beast! We stop sending them OUR money, we stop filing tax returns, we max out deductions and finally...
WE TELL THEM ALL TO GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
Now That’s what I call Taxation without Representation.
Liberman had been telling us he WAS GOING TO FILLABUSTER WITH THE REPUBLICANS. ANY ONE KNOW WHAT CHANGED HIS MIND???
Ben Nelson from my home state of Nebraska is just as much a whore for the Dems. He say one thing in Nebraska and votes exactly opposite of that in Washington and these stupid people keep electing that tool bag.
He just wanted the attention. He is a democrat after all.
I have two kids, a stay at home wife and a home that's paid for. I don't owe anyone anything, my only expenses are my monthly living costs (food, electricity, etc..) The day after Obama was elected, I changed my withholding to 10. I'm not giving the Government my money, period.
My suggestion: Everyone reading this thread change their withholding for 2010 to the maximum they comfortably can and keep as much of their money as possible. The amount you'd expect to pay in taxes (look at the previous year's W2) put in the bank and wait until next Tax Day.
Don't ever give this Government your money a second before you absolutely, positively have to. If they had to wait until April 15th to get ANY of our tax dollars it sure as hell would change their behavior.
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