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1 posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:20 PM PST by jveritas
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The Dems will push something through. They have to in order to appease their far-left base.


2 posted on 11/21/2009 7:29:35 PM PST by jerry557
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Hang on. I was under the impression that this WAS the 60 member vote. That from here on out, they need 51 votes. Are you saying there’s still one more 60 head vote....where Libermann could come through? Really?


3 posted on 11/21/2009 7:29:42 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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I hope you’re right. Otherwise, I only see three more or less equally likely possibilities: this horror passes and the country goes bankrupt, this horror passes and the country falls into civil war, or this horror fails when the House and Senate cannot agree. I’m surprised by how little the first two options bother me.


4 posted on 11/21/2009 7:29:50 PM PST by TurtleUp ([...Insert today's quote from Community-Organizer-in-Chief...] - Obama, YOU LIE!)
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Hope you are right.


5 posted on 11/21/2009 7:30:25 PM PST by avacado
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tru dat. No panic yet.


6 posted on 11/21/2009 7:31:17 PM PST by NEPAConservative (http://news-political.com/)
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Seldom dose a bill that makes it out of committee ever fail. Yes, panic is in order.


8 posted on 11/21/2009 7:31:27 PM PST by doc1019 (Obama, not so much.)
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THANK YOU for your post!!!


10 posted on 11/21/2009 7:33:18 PM PST by diamond6 (Expose Planned Parenthood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaTywSDmls)
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What’s to stop them from buying every needed vote? They’ve all got their price. $300 million, $500 million? Whatever, it’s only taxpayer money.


15 posted on 11/21/2009 7:36:17 PM PST by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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Thanks for the thoughtful post.
Any Dem Senators in VA up for election in 2010?

I wonder if Lou Dobbs can run and win in NJ?

Will Rudy get off the fence against Gillibrand or better George Pataki?


20 posted on 11/21/2009 7:39:42 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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trigger public option or a trigger co-op which in all practical form is a meaningless gesture because it is not going to be triggered at all in the future

Not sure why you think a trigger provision will not lead to the public option.

The condition for not implementing the trigger is that health costs must come down. There's no reason to think that health costs will come down in the private sector without reform...which is why many think the trigger will be inevitable.

I agree with you that the left is going to be pretty mad if only the trigger passes into law with no public option.

21 posted on 11/21/2009 7:40:24 PM PST by what's up
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Maybe you will be right. Nevertheless, this God forsaken bill took one giant leap toward law today.

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.


26 posted on 11/21/2009 7:43:16 PM PST by jjm1776 (Pro-life, Pro-Gun, Pro-America.)
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Enemies of freedom and enemies of this country....every last one of them.


28 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:09 PM PST by Swede Girl
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Enemies of freedom and enemies of this country....every last one of them.


29 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:12 PM PST by Swede Girl
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All this is true but they no longer listen us. They have to go. Carefully because we will oust ours and they will keep theirs. Term imits perod.


30 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:59 PM PST by PROTESTBYPROXY (Conservatives must man up!!)
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In my view, the so called “public option” trigger or no trigger has always been a red herring, a ruse of sorts. What the leftists really want is a mandate. The mandate ensures control over the populace and then, when fully implemented, the public option will come. Look for the head fake of “alright, we'll concede on the public option, but we've still got to lower costs, thus making sure everyone is covered is a good first step.” The leftists will claim a victory of sorts,Obama will sign it and the die will be cast.
31 posted on 11/21/2009 7:45:10 PM PST by mek1959
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Not so fast there... I heard a report today that of bills that reach the Senate - and are voted by 60 votes to be brought to the floor for debate - average a 97-98 percent PASS RATE upon final vote... In other words - if in the Senate - a bill makes it to the floor - passage later is almost assured...

So much for process...


33 posted on 11/21/2009 7:46:07 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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Headfake. They fully intend to make this a Communist government and take over.

Arm Up! They Are!


36 posted on 11/21/2009 7:51:14 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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Headfake. They fully intend to make this a Communist government and take over.

Arm Up! They Are!


37 posted on 11/21/2009 7:51:14 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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Senator Lieberman has said so many times, very clearly, and very adamantly that he is going to filibuster an end for the debate as long as it has any form of public option and he also said many times that he was going to vote to allow the start of the debate as he did today.

People need to understand something about LIEberman. He has a history throughout his career of claiming to take one position on an issue while supporting an entirely different position. It is how he was reelected. He just pulled the same stunt by supporting cloture and people are falling for his act just as they did during his last campaign.

Beyond that point, people need to apply some common sense. When given the chance to kill the bill by merely voting against cloture or allowing it to proceed only to face the much more arduous task of spending several hours speaking on the Senate floor to kill the bill, which one would a reasonable and prudent person choose? A prudent person would reasonably choose the former.

People need to also remember the purpose of cloture is to end or prevent debate. Reid wanted cloture for this purpose knowing the more debate the worse it is to pass socialist health care. Given this fact, he wouldn't have pushed for cloture if he didn't already have a plan in mind to severely restrict debate at the next step in the process.

This whole process doesn't pass the smell test. Something doesn't add up. We've seen some slick maneuvering to bribe Senators into supporting cloture. More behind the scene slick maneuvering will occur to prevent any in-depth analysis and everyone will wonder how could this happen all over again. Assuming otherwise is being naive. Make no mistake this was far more than just a procedural vote. It was confirmation there is enough support the bill all through the process.
38 posted on 11/21/2009 7:51:22 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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There is plenty to be upset about. The mere fact that these radical, power-mad nutcases have pushed this horror story this far says so. They fully intend to control YOUR LIFE, YOUR HEALTH, YOUR WEALTH, and any remaining American freedoms that will be left.

America better get real upset real fast about this.


40 posted on 11/21/2009 7:52:22 PM PST by EagleUSA
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