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Posted on 11/22/2009 8:32:25 AM PST by AJKauf
Any new theories? Where do you stand on the old theories? Is the Warren Report conclusion (for all the flaws in its investigation) beginning to worm its way into your heart?
Did the assassination change your life? Did it (and successive assassinations) change your vision of America? Your vision of the world? Or is it irrelevant that theres still doubt warranted (pun intended). Irrelevant in toto? (the Latin word, not Dorothys dog).
Ive been thinking about Oswald. I think he fired shots that day. I cant be sure he was alone, although I havent been convinced by any of the conspiracy theories. More importantly I cant be sure why he did it. He was somewhere on the spectrum between nutcase and ideologue, maybe a combination of both.
Like a certain other shooter of recent vintage. Its a dangerous combination.
Anyway, Im interested in what people think about or if they do. It is November 22nd, you know. ....
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I still think it was a mob hit with some high level govt types trying to clumsily trying cover their connections after the fact.
I’ve been up to the Sixth Floor and it doesn’t add up imo. Either Oswald was too nervous to take the obvious shot on Washington St. or he got a lucky last chance shot on Elm St. or there were other shooters. There is one thing for certain, we’ll never know the truth.
I've read all the books...except of course, wasting my time on the Warren Report.
No one - repeat NO ONE will every convince me that Kennedy was murdered by Oswald acting alone.
Read an anniversary article this morning which interviewed a 91-year-old former FBI agent who was present at the autopsy. He stated that he and the doctors all inspected a bullet hole in Kennedy’s left chest (in addition to the neck and head shots). I hadn’t heard of that before...
I wouldn't preclude his recently deceased alcoholic brother's involvement...
Its America’s annual national conspiracy day!
Oswald killing Kennedy did change America. It gave us LBJ!
I think Oswald was the lone shooter...but, his Russia connections and quick murder make me believe somebody else was behind it.
And IMO, that's exactly why he was killed. Kennedy just wasn't socialist enough.
Though I don’t think Oswald was involved in the assassination and was merely a patsy, I see similarities between him and Obama in their extensive travel with no visible means of support.
I believe that 65% of those that even care anymore have the same beliefs.
Unfortunately, beliefs are all we have at this point.
On the "good news" front....I'm old. So I'll soon die. Right after that event...I'll know for sure!!
If you send me $25 in cash...I promise to come back and let you know what I find out!!! (joke!).
Yes it did! And that slob, that SOB sent my butt to Southeast Asia!
We watched an interesting program last night on the History Channel - it broke down the 24 hours after JFK was killed and detailed all the infighting between the Kennedy crew and LBJ.
Attorney General RFK acted like a total a-hole of course, and Jackie received little assistance from anyone,having to lay on top of Jack’s corpse in the limo while the Secret Service was whisking Johnson to a secure room at Parkland.
The Dallas police didn’t want to release the body, and guns were drawn while the feds forced their way out of the hospital to Air Force One.
“Oswald killing Kennedy did change America. It gave us LBJ!”
I’ll never forget the look on LBJ’s face when he was being sworn in. He looked like the cat that ate the canary.
The Dallas police didnt want to release the body, and guns were drawn while the feds forced their way out of the hospital to Air Force One.
Oswald alone. He was a left wing commie radical with delusions of grandeur, when he finally came back from Russia he was expecting massive throngs of reporters, what he got was NOTHING. He tried to commit suicide the first time the Russians wanted to send him back to America.
He had tried to assassinate Right Wing General Walker a short time before he got the opportunity to shoot Kennedy.
Oswald was a bad shot MYTH, his records are available, he was a Sharpshooter, a better than average shot for a Marine and compared to the General Public, an excellent shot. His worst field performance was his last one when he was disillusioned with the Marines and trying to get out.
He was an open Communist in the Marines, the other Marines took to calling him “Oswaldski” which he took a liking to. He was regarded by most of the other Marines as a flake.
The shooting from the Texas School Book Depository was not that hard and has been recreated numerous times. The rifle was FINE, another myth.
There were 2 employees from the TSBD one floor directly below when the assassination took place. They testified to hearing BOOM, click, click BOOM, click click BOOM. They testified to the action of Oswald’s rifle long before Oswald’s rifle was found. They reported this right away, it’s part of the reason the TSBD was being swarmed after the shooting. A parade watcher who was facing the TSBD SAW the shooter in the window.
Computer recreations have proven that the shots came from Oswalds perch.
The “magic bullet” wasn’t magic at all, when placing the occupants properly in the limo the way they were at the shooting, the shots line up perfectly. Another myth.
Ruby was known as a braggard and blowhard, the absolute LAST person the mafia or anyone else would involve in a grand conspiracy to kill the POTUS. He thought he was going to be an American hero for killing Oswald, he thought no one would convict him. Oswald was delayed being moved, if he was moved on time Ruby wouldn’t have had a chance, he got there just as Oswald was being moved, pure luck. Ruby was a known CLOWN, not some mafia bigwig.
So many myths, so little time.
All these criss crossing conspiracies involving so many people.
The JFK assassination is NO DIFFERENT FROM 9/11.
There is overwhelming evidence that OSWALD and ISLAMICS both did the crimes.
Still Millions get sucked into the vortex instead of looking at it rationally, if people would take time to dissect the conspiracy theories about JFK the way they did with 9/11 conspiracy theories they would come to the same conclusion.
Oswald and the Terrorists are both obviously guilty and any other position is simply ridiculous.
I do not care anymore.
The bullet that made JFK’s head explode did not come from the book repository- get your facts straight
No one - repeat NO ONE will every convince me that Kennedy was murdered by Oswald acting alone.
Then you should change your screen name. Logic and Reason shows that Oswald did it alone. Read “Case Closed” and “Reclaiming History” and watch the numerous re-creations and documentaries that use modern forensics and science that show it could have only happened by Oswald from his perch.
I have always thought that JFK was wacked in retaliation for the killing of Ngo Dinh Diem. Diem was no saint and had a lot of hard core followers - all very capabile of traveling to the US and shooting someone.....
In the end, JFK was gone, and LBJ began the Rape of America with the Dem majority he held in both houses.
And so today, we still pay (and pay, pay, pay) for that day.
Of course, your mileage may vary....
The bullet that made JFKs head explode did not come from the book repository- get your facts straight
Yes, it did. Watch to the end where you see the results to the head from a shot from BEHIND. Unless you believe Kevin Costner in Oliver Stones JFK that the shot had to come from the front, back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left...LOL Leave it to Stone to get it 100% Ass Backwards.
The shot came from BEHIND, if Kennedy’s head splatter and exit wound went the OTHER way than what it did then you would have a conspiracy. Physics show a SHOT FROM BEHIND.
Presidents are too important in the public’s mind to be killed by a “lone gunman” — Therefore, it has to be a conspiracy.
General officers killed in battle are killed by ‘snipers’; privates are killed by ‘random fire’. It’s a matter of the viewer’s prejudices.
The third shot, supposedly came from the rear, yet Kennedy's head rockets backward. Mrs. Kennedy, probably in a state of shock, crawls onto the back of the limousine to retrieve parts of her husband's head. I have heard about nerve reflexes and how heads explode, but I have trouble with all of the mysterious explanations that seem to defy Occam's razor. Again, just my opinion, and I am always willing to listen to the debate.
You know what I find amazing and what the conspiracy crowd should take note of.
As technology increases and we have more and more tools to re-create crimes and solve them, all of the modern technology ALWAYS POINTS TO OSWALD.
Modern forensics, computer re-creations, bullet paths, wound analysis, etc., all points to OSWALD. What a coincidence.
Every time the JFK Assassination is put under scrutiny it keeps pointing AWAY from conspiracy and towards Oswald, I guess science is part of the conspiracy.
Yes. Another ‘conspiracy’ is the one about the lunar landings being faked. Now we’re seeing hi-res photos of the landing sites. Can’t get much better direct evidence than that. I’m waiting for those wacko’s to come up with a theory that explains away the physical evidence of the landings. Should be good for a laugh!
You're repeating another MYTH, the bullet was totally consistent with the damage done.
Modern forensics have re-created the shot using cadavers models (gel and bone) and the bullets are consistent with the damage done to the "magic bullet" For the record here is the "PRISTINE BULLET"
Not so pristine is it? Nothing like the unfired bullet that was laid on the stretcher in the movie JFK.
As always, when these LIES are put under the microscope, they are proven to be lies, even when using modern science and re-creations. There is nothing "magic" nor "pristine" about the bullet, it is simply a LIE.
I've read them both...twice each. Along with 11 others.
I repeate (for your personal edification and enjoyment)...No one - repeat NO ONE will ever convince (read: prove) me that Oswald acted alone in the murder of the President. NO ONE!
BTW: your "screen name" ain't winnin' no awards either.
As for the head flying backwards watch the video in post 27.
Kennedy’s head reaction is consistent with a bullet fired from BEHIND.
If only Kennedy’s head went the OTHER WAY, I would have to say it’s a conspiracy.
Every single time the evidence is analyzed, it points to Oswald.
People have been screaming for 45 years that Kennedy’s head movement MUST COME FROM FROM THE FRONT!!!!!!!!!!
They are 100% wrong, another persistent MYTH that 99% of the conspiracy crowd call a fact, never mind that PHYSICS show the shot came from behind.
And that changed A LOT. From the Great Society to the way the War in Vietnam was fought and ultimately lost. Yes. Oswald (and any others) changed a lot, probably the whole world.
Hardcover: 1648 pages
Publisher: W.W. Norton & Co.; 1st edition (May 15, 2007)
Reclaiming History is 1648 pages, released 2 1/2 years ago and you READ IT TWICE??
If you read Case Closed and Reclaiming History twice and still believe it was a conspiracy, well, I would suggest some books on critical thinking. ; ) Read them FOUR times.
But LBJ was a "better" politician. JFK likely would not have been able to get nearly so much of the Great Society crapola passed. JFK also had first hand military experience, both in intelligence and operationally where the meat meets the metal. (LBJ was "theoretically" in the Navy, but it was very theoretical indeed, since he was already a Congress Critter at that time) It would have influenced the way Vietnam was fought, and likely would have gotten "Strange" McNamara "resigned" somewhat sooner.
“The bullet that made JFKs head explode did not come from the book repository- get your facts straight”
I really don’t want to go down this road....I don’t think we’ll solve a half century’s worth of argument here.
I did say that it was unlikely Oswald acted alone...just he was the only shooter. So, what difference does it make...so what if there was another trigger man? Rather than fixate on bullet trajectories, I have never understood why conspiracy theorists haven’t checked into Oswald’s phone calls, bank accounts, etc...the same goes for Jack Ruby - and add a search for what family member was threatened to blackmail Ruby...and why not investigate the ‘umbrella man’ in a similar fashion....
Or, we could argue over the physics of bullets for another 50 years.
All else is conjecture with ZERO evidence.
Why did JFK's head snap backwards? Could have been because he was wearing this contraption to support his back.
There’s nothing to argue about, every re-creation of the crime keeps pointing that the only possible conclusion are bullets fired from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository, much to the chagrin of the conspiracy crowd.
I’m sure the conspiracy crowd figured 45 years later that eventually science would prove a conspiracy, instead it keeps pointing to Oswald, for anyone who’s willing to pay attention.
Check the vid in post 27, physics say the head would move backwards.
All these years the conspiracy crowd believing that the head shot proved it had to come from the front and all this time they have been 100% wrong.
If only the head moved the OTHER WAY!!! we would have to concede a conspiracy.
Over the years, even the conspiracy theorists have had to concede point after point, yet people even here still cite “facts” that have been proven to be lies.
You’re right there is ZERO evidence that it was anyone but Oswald. Every year here we have to blow up these myths.
Excellent synopsis Bob. Oswald acted alone.
Bob you lay out the facts but they do not want to hear them...head wound..the exit is the big hole...the exit hole is in the front ..
every re-creation of the crime keeps pointing that the only possible conclusion
bob.... that’s a ridiculous statement, but fits YOUR world view. you really have to guzzle kool aid by the gallon to buy the Warren report and to believe Ruby just happened to want to avenge Jackie’s pain...Puleeeeze! Sure let’s believe the PTB, they never lie to us.
may your chains rest lightly...
All one needs to do is look at the overall record of liberalism. Especially the leftward march of the entire Kennedy clan, from RFK to TFK. By 1968 RFK was moving hard left and we all know how things turned out with Ted Fat Kennedy. All progressives are alike.
Ted "Fat" Kennedy.
The "powers that be" must have been thinking 45 years in the future to put together such a perfect conspiracy that modern science and forensics still point to Oswald. The "powers that be" are simply amazing.
It's always the conspiracy theorists with their wild-eyed theories that think others are mere sheep, just like the truther crowd think they're all geniuses.
Just by using "PTB" tells me a lot about where you're coming from, I found a picture of the "Powers That Be" that killed Kennedy.
Oh. I wondered if you meant him, technically his initials are EMK.