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Kennedy dispute reveals divide among Catholics
Associated Press ^ | Mon Nov 23, 9:18 am ET | RAY HENRY

Posted on 11/23/2009 9:56:26 AM PST by Bullpine

EAST PROVIDENCE, R.I. – A bitter dispute over abortion that prompted Rhode Island's Roman Catholic bishop to ask Rep. Patrick Kennedy not to receive Holy Communion has revealed the depth of the divide among Catholics over how politicians should reconcile their faith with their public duties.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; catholicpoliticians; communion; schism; senate
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To: Ann Archy

They have had many, many conversations with their priests.


51 posted on 11/23/2009 3:28:47 PM PST by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: Ann Archy

In context, Billy Graham had been asked a question about the sin of homosexuality. He said there is no degree of sin. He said homosexuality was no greater sin that the sin committed by many daily. That is all I can tell you. You may be able to find it online. I do understand your point. Your argument is not with me but with Graham.


52 posted on 11/23/2009 3:30:55 PM PST by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

It really is that simple. If you want the church to change, better start looking for another church. I know I’m repeating what others stated but you can’t be a Catholic if you are a democrat because one supports and promotes life and the other supports and promotes death. One worships the father, son and holy ghost and the other worships obama and the state.


53 posted on 11/23/2009 3:31:35 PM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: DallasSun

Right......Do ONLY Catholics believe in MORTAL and VENIAL sins?????? Geesh....Billy Graham can’t tell the difference??? I am shocked.


54 posted on 11/23/2009 3:32:56 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DallasSun
Dicey Priests not doing their flock any good.

One reason Priests don't take it upon themselves to deny Holy Communion because they have NO IDEA of WHO went to CONFESSION and changed their hearts and who didn't.

Kennedy has very publicly VOTED FOR ABORTION RIGHTS.

55 posted on 11/23/2009 3:36:01 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

No..not only Catholics. I am Methodist and was taught the same as you. I was shocked also...but I have heard him say it more than once. And I am a huge fan of Graham’s.I feel as tho I just threw him under the bus and am sorry I brought it up. Every time I heard him say it I thought...what? But who knows more...me or him? I will go with Rev Graham.


56 posted on 11/23/2009 3:37:16 PM PST by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: Ann Archy

True. But then again, these women have had abortions. They know that.


57 posted on 11/23/2009 3:39:21 PM PST by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: Bullpine; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

Kennedy? But isn’t he an orphan?


58 posted on 11/23/2009 3:41:39 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DallasSun

Obviously something didn’t stick.

Since there is no way that anyone reading your posts can tell whether the fault lies with the priest or the “Catholic” parishioner—or both—then, as a Catholic I say that if these friends continue to believe in abortion, they are NOT Catholic. As for the priest-—who knows what he actually said to them, if they don’t divulge it.

Truth is truth-—and the truth is that they cannot be for abortion and remain Catholic. If they believe otherwise they are being deceived by the Evil One.


59 posted on 11/23/2009 3:42:21 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

I know what you are saying. I can tell you this particular priest, since I have narrowed it down to one person, is very good to her and has been a great comfort to her and he has told her she has been forgiven as all sinners are when they repent. I understand your point about if she still believes in abortion. She herself would never have another one she says. And wishes she never had. But she would not make the choice for anyone else. It has taken her years to come to a peaceful place..or anywhere near a peaceful place and enable her to live with this. I have known her for almost 30 years and I can tell you this weighed heavy on her heart for those years.


60 posted on 11/23/2009 3:50:54 PM PST by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: DallasSun
I apologize for making it seem like I was "piling on". I have a problem sometimes when I post before reading the thread first.

I can tell you this particular priest, since I have narrowed it down to one person, is very good to her and has been a great comfort to her and he has told her she has been forgiven as all sinners are when they repent.

In my church's RE program for middle-schoolers, we devote the two weeks before Thanksgiving with a Reconciliation Prep class, followed by a Reconciliation service. The priest asked the kids, "what is the one sin that can never be forgiven?" His answer? "The one that is never confessed."

This country is too divided when it comes to the abortion issue. I just don't see where Roe v. Wade will ever be overturned. Accordingly, the battle lines are drawn on federal funding.

61 posted on 11/23/2009 4:20:34 PM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: DallasSun

I have compassion for women who have had an abortion and have come to terms with the fact that they must live with the regret of that decision.

Yes, the whole meaning of salvation is that the good God extends his mercy and forgiveness-—”Though your sins be as scarlet, I will make them as white as snow”, Sacred Scripture tells us. But that means that repentance and forgiveness also calls for a turning away from sin, and the resolve to sin no more (as Jesus told the Samaritan woman).

As for not “making the choice for someone else”, abortion leaves deep scars and a pervasive depression. According to the famous, late-great psychiatrist, Dr. Conrad Baars, “Abortion is a form of psychic self-destruction and if practiced on a large scale will have the gravest consequences for any society which condones it...and will provoke (in the woman) a depression which in my experience is malignant and incurable.”

Wouldn’t it be morally correct to do what one can to prevent this from happening to someone else?

A live baby is a live baby, and a dead one is a very dead one.

It becomes a moral responsibility to do what you can to save a life, just as surely as if you pulled someone out of a burning car or a brother soldier out of the line of fire on the battlefield.

Scripture tells us that we are to “Choose life”.

It’s a noble and holy choice.


62 posted on 11/23/2009 4:31:08 PM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Bullpine
Just like any other Christian denomination, Catholics are divided.

There those that live their faith and those that do not.

63 posted on 11/23/2009 4:41:17 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: DallasSun
Now come on, don't be a knucklehead......Rev. Graham does NOT know more than you in this instance.....you KNOW that a VENIAL sin is NOT as DIRE as a MORTAL sin....sin IS sin, but there ARE DEGREES. geesh....I knew the difference in the 2nd. grade!!

I like Rev. Graham also, but I did him him say that Clinton just couldn't help himself because women just threw themselves at him.......double geesh.....plus he's a DEMOCRAT, and I never go with what a Democrat says.

64 posted on 11/23/2009 5:18:36 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Learn What Patrick Kennedy already knows. I wish people would watch this and be informed about what abortion really is, eugenics.

On December 3rd we will have a free showing of, Ma-afa, the below movie, for Rhode Island at the Warwick public library at 6pm. Please come!
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvIABoSsAiE
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foVFHIszu0E
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0DVG_GtE6s
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Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7alU0WWiVlk
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Part 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkcvVZSLec
Part 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKH3No1rlzc
Part 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_CBPxkbB7w
Part 11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc13-sgHiug
Part 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HYo3Qvn2vA
Part 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz1SlOfPY78
Part 14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXgKRk8Asg8
Part 15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUuA7cXW998


65 posted on 11/23/2009 6:51:19 PM PST by chrisyoung09 (Abortion is eugenics)
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