Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Theodore Roosevelt IV Opts Out of G.O.P. Race for Senate
NYTimes ^ | November 24, 2009 | DAVID M. HALBFINGER

Posted on 11/25/2009 5:45:39 PM PST by GOPGuide

Few people knew that he was thinking about it in the first place, but Theodore Roosevelt IV, a wealthy investment banker with serious credentials on environmental issues and in foreign policy — and of course, that famous name — now says he will not seek the Republican nomination for the Senate from New York in 2010.

Mr. Roosevelt, the great-grandson of the 26th president, worked at Lehman Brothers and is now a managing director at Barclays Capital. He said he began studying a run against Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand, a Democrat, over the summer and was encouraged by talks with Republicans including former Gov. George E. Pataki, Representative Cynthia M. Lummis of Wyoming and Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the chairman of the party’s senatorial campaign committee.

Calling himself a “liberal Republican,” Mr. Roosevelt, 66, a former chairman of the League of Conservation Voters who lives in Brooklyn Heights, spoke harshly on Tuesday about the party’s conservative national leadership and lamented that the state Republican organization was a “series of fiefdoms,” though he said he was confident that he could have won the nomination.

But the prospect of quitting his job, devoting himself to fund-raising, and, even if he won, having to wait “nine years” to gain enough seniority to wield much influence, all led him to abandon the idea, he said in a telephone interview.


(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: gopprimary; ny2010; nygop; rudy2010; teddybear; teddyroosevelt; theodoreroosevelt; tr

1 posted on 11/25/2009 5:45:43 PM PST by GOPGuide
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide; Clintonfatigued; Impy; Clemenza; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT; ...
"Calling himself a “liberal Republican,” Mr. Roosevelt, 66, a former chairman of the League of Conservation Voters who lives in Brooklyn Heights, spoke harshly on Tuesday about the party’s conservative national leadership"

What Conservative national leadership ?

2 posted on 11/25/2009 5:48:18 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: justiceseeker93; rmlew; AuH2ORepublican

TR Ping


3 posted on 11/25/2009 5:48:52 PM PST by GOPGuide
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide
Calling himself a “liberal Republican,”

The country doesn't need any more "liberal Republicans," thank you.

4 posted on 11/25/2009 5:49:36 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj
What Conservative national leadership ? Except for the great Calvin Coolidge, I think all Yankee Republicans were/are some flavor of progressive.
5 posted on 11/25/2009 5:50:37 PM PST by GOPGuide
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj
"spoke harshly on Tuesday about the party’s conservative national leadership"
What Conservative national leadership ?

I too would speak harshly about the complete and total absence of same.

6 posted on 11/25/2009 5:51:17 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide
"Calling himself a “liberal Republican,”

The Bull Moose party is looking for some leadership. Quit polluting the Republican Party and causing Lincoln and Reagan to roll over in their graves.

If you are unwilling to pledge your life, fortune and sacred honor to the principles of the Declaration of Independence please leave the Republican Party.

7 posted on 11/25/2009 5:52:08 PM PST by ALPAPilot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

Timing problem, buddy.


8 posted on 11/25/2009 5:52:55 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

I saw him make a speech at the Republican Convention in 2000. It was a big dud, drew hardly any response.


9 posted on 11/25/2009 5:54:14 PM PST by chrisinoc
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

Loser. He saw that Rudy is likely to run in that same race, and knew he stood no chance of winning against Giuliani. The whining against ‘conservative’ leaders is just a smokescreen


10 posted on 11/25/2009 6:02:30 PM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

Yeah, the country really needs another RINO in congress. Drop dead already Teddy!


11 posted on 11/25/2009 6:03:57 PM PST by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj; GOPGuide

I recall TR IV’s speech on conservation at the 2000 GOP National Convention (I think it was 2000). Pretty liberal stuff, not what we would want from a Republican Senator. Even Rudy is to the right of this guy.


12 posted on 11/25/2009 6:19:27 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj

“Few people knew that he was thinking about it in the first place,..”

If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it does it make a sound?


13 posted on 11/25/2009 6:26:04 PM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

spoke harshly on Tuesday about the party’s conservative national leadership and lamented that the state Republican organization was a “series of fiefdoms,” though he said he was confident that he could have won the nomination.

Not in your Lifetime, Lefty..!


14 posted on 11/25/2009 6:32:03 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AuH2ORepublican

At least with Rudy I know he is honest and I can trust him; the same can’t be said for the rest of the “Moderates” (90% of ‘em)!..


15 posted on 11/25/2009 6:33:12 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: AuH2ORepublican

From what I’ve seen of some of TR’s descendants, they jumped the shark after Theodore, Jr. (a Philippines & Puerto Rico Governor) & Kermit, Jr. (a patriot who helped install the Shah of Iran). The rest have been moonbat crazies, like Kermit, Jr’s son, Mark Roosevelt, who was a Democrat elected to the MA State House (and was a cousin of ultra-RINO William Weld’s then-wife) and was Weld’s ‘94 Gubernatorial opponent. Weld’s then-wife, Susan Roosevelt, was funnelling money to defeat Conservatives (she backed Harvey Gantt over Jesse Helms, partly why Helms obliterated Weld’s nomination as Ambassador to Mexico, a beautiful moment in the Senate of the past quarter-century, Helms was magnificent). I only vaguely recalled reading of TR, IV, but don’t recall his speech. I sincerely doubt the predecessors would be particularly approving of them.


16 posted on 11/25/2009 6:39:31 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide
Except for the great Calvin Coolidge, I think all Yankee Republicans were/are some flavor of progressive.

In what way are you using the word "Yankee"? The two most common definitions are (1) an individual who is usually from the Union states and who opposed the Confederacy during the Civil War, and thus it's a term still commonly used by a southerners loosely to refer to a non-southerner and (2) a New Englander, usually with ancestry in New England going back several generations.

If you are using definition (2), TR IV probably has no New England roots to speak of (other than likely going to Harvard or maybe Yale), so I wouldn't call him a Yankee in that sense. Nevertheless, there have been some New England Republicans beside Coolidge of note who were/are undeniably conservative. Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire today, for one? Or how about John Sununu from NH?

If you are using definition (1), I can assure you that there have always been quite a number of Republicans from outside the South who could hardly be called "some flavor of progressive." Ronald Reagan would be the first to come to mind.

As to TR IV, I've never heard of him. All he might have going for him is his name, and there are hardly any voters still alive who knew his great grandfather other than as a historical figure.

17 posted on 11/25/2009 7:45:25 PM PST by justiceseeker93
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

Ted Roosevelt and his wife, Connie, raised huge amounts of money for Obama, and contributed a lot themselves. They obviously voted for Obama.

How would he ever be able to raise the money needed to run as a Republican? He couldn’t. He should take his disgraced noble name and go over and run as a Democrat. That is where he really belongs.


18 posted on 11/25/2009 8:11:36 PM PST by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

It's like the lovechild of Hugh Heffner and Mr. Blackwell.

19 posted on 11/25/2009 9:31:50 PM PST by DemforBush (Now officially 100% ex-Democrat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPGuide

His great-grandfather was one of the original “progressives.”


20 posted on 11/25/2009 9:54:24 PM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DemforBush

Gay.


21 posted on 11/26/2009 7:23:43 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy

Teddy the 4th? Blech. I don’t care what he thinks or what Woodrow Wilson’s great-grandson thinks either.

Alton Parker in 1904 anyone?

Glenn Beck called McCain a “weird progressive” like TR. Weird progressive is a good term for TR. His 1912 campaign was to the left of ex-Bourbon democrat Wilson’s (who was in fact a leftist disaster in office, and he had less experience than Obama). And bizarrely religious in tenure. The religious left from WJ Bryan to TR’s Bull Moosers to the prohibition movement was thriving in the early 20th century. God demanded an income tax!

When asked last year who their favorite President of the other party from the 20th Century was all the Republican White House candidates to my disgust said Truman, not that he has much competition, I’d have thought they’d be in line with the popular meme and picked Kennedy. Or least joke and say Clinton cause he gave us Congress. I’d have said I’d have to go back to the 19th Century and Grover Cleveland.

Anyhow, all the democrats said TR.

I wish Al Smith in 1928 had beaten Hoover but without knowledge of the future there is no way I would have voted for him.

The last actual conservative the dems nominated was John Davis in 1924 but he was a segregationist and anti-suffragist and his opponent was the excellent conservative Republican Calvin Coolidge so forget Davis.

So Bourbon Alton Parker in 1904 was the last time the dem might have been better than the Republican. Allegedly many people at the time said the party labels could have been switched.


22 posted on 11/26/2009 1:47:34 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: sickoflibs

Lol @ RINO spawn.


23 posted on 11/26/2009 1:48:51 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Impy

The KKK was all over the 1924 rat convention.

Liberals today would have voted for that pinko sometimes Republican LaFollette.


24 posted on 11/26/2009 1:51:14 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Impy; justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; All
From the photo I'm not seeing much of a resemblance (in looks or personality) of Teddy Roosevelt IV to his namesake great grandfather. My guess is this guy is just some bleeding heart envirowacko who calls himself "Republican" because of the family tradition and to cash in on the famous name. He should perhaps look into hanging out with the Democrat wing of the Roosevelt family (remember, Teddy's niece was Eleanor Roosevelt), because that's where he belongs.

They did have Stephen Cleveland, the grandson of President Grover Cleveland, interviewed on CSPAN during their "American Presidents" series a few years back (Stephen's not that old because both his father and grandfather had babies while in their 60s), and he reminded me quite a bit of his grandfather.

My mother's maiden name is Webster, they're directed related to the famous Daniel Webster (through his brother's family), but I only mention it at political functions as an interesting bit of trivia. Disturbingly, my father also tells me we're distance cousins of Crook County Chicago Machine Democrat/ State Comptroller Dan Hynes (now running against Quinn for Governor since he failed to be annointed over Obama for Senate in '04). Particularly interesting since I attended a fundraiser for his Republican opponent back in '06.

Anyway, back on topic... apparently there ARE some good conservative Republicans in Teddy's family, especially Teddy's son Archibald Roosevelt, who was a card-carrying John Bircher and described as "ultra right wing". In his introduction to Zygmund Dobbs's The Great Deceit: Social Pseudo-Sciences in 1964, Archie Roosevelt wrote: "Socialists have infiltrated our schools, our law courts, our government, our MEDIA OF COMMUNICATIONS. ... the Socialist movement is made up of a relatively small number of people who have developed the TECHNIQUE OF INFLUENCING large masses of people to a VERY HIGH DEGREE." Very eerie prophetic. That rings true today even more than it did when he wrote it.

Taft was the most conservative of the three major Presidential candidates in 1912 (though even there, we have a number of RINOs in the Taft family), but I would have far preferred a third Teddy Roosevelt term to what we got with scumbag blatantly racist/socialist/globalist Woody Wilson. Wilson did a good job hiding his true intentions on the campaign trail in 1912 but from his governing I think it was clear he was the most liberal of three candidates (especially since we got to three all perform the duties of President). The writing was on the wall when Wilson proposed a scheme to nationalize the railroad industry and both Taft AND Roosevelt denounced the proposal as "rank socialism". Obama's kind of a disturbing hybrid of the worst elements of Wilson and Carter, along with Bill Clinton redux as his administration staff.

I would agree Truman was the "best" Democrat President over the last 100 years, but given the competition that's not saying much. He gets the title by default simply because he didn't wreak the USA under his watch, usher in a new era of failed statist government agencies and programs, or disgrace the office with sleazy behavior and criminal actions. I find it interesting how he managed to simultaneously tick off the southern Dixiecrats AND the east coast "progressives" (the two biggest elements of the RAT party at the time), but won re-election anyway in a huge upset. Overall, his whole "fair deal" thing was basically the New Deal lite. I would have voted for Dewey in '48.

Have to agree with justiceseeker93's post #17 rebuttal as well. Certainly Ronald Reagan, Bob Taft, Ev Dirksen, and so on weren't "some flavor of progressive". There are alot of RINOs in the New England states (not so much in the rest of the northern states), but there's probably just as many RINOs in the central northern states as their are in the central southern states.

25 posted on 11/26/2009 5:24:12 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy
Oh, one more thing I forgot to add... a shameless plug for a friend of mine. If you ever get the chance to check it out, conservative Republican activist Joe Wiegand of Illinois does a brilliant Teddy Roosevelt impersonation. He routinely tours the country in character as Teddy and gives a wonderful history lesson showing what politics were like in that era a century ago.

http://www.teddyrooseveltshow.com

26 posted on 11/26/2009 5:29:42 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: BillyBoy

I know of this Joe Wiegand, you speak of... a champion for fiscal responsibility in the late, great (sorry, mostly south of I-80) state of IL. Joe’s not afraid to call a spade (rino) a spade (rino) if, my memory serves me correctly. You and I have likely crossed paths at some point in time.


27 posted on 11/26/2009 5:40:41 PM PST by freepersup (!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: BillyBoy

Yes, I remember when they had Stephen Cleveland on. I think he was interviewed by Brian Lamb, and Lamb remarked how much he resembled his ancestor.


28 posted on 11/26/2009 6:08:06 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
, but I would have far preferred a third Teddy Roosevelt term to what we got with scumbag blatantly racist/socialist/globalist Woody Wilson.

I agree completely. But you wouldn't have figured it if you listened to Wilson on the trail, opposing the minimum wage and saying he was against an activist government and shying away from organized labor fearing they would become as bad as the evil corporate monopolies (and so they did).

Lying rat. At least WJ Byran was honest about his intentions.

And without his "he kept us out of war" (till next year!) slogan in 1916, Hugues would have beat him.

That's hilarious how Cleveland's grandson is still alive and not ancient.

Frances Cleveland was the best looking first lady in my opinion. Of course it helped that she was very young at the time.

29 posted on 11/27/2009 10:38:08 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: BillyBoy; All
Your photo reminds me of a video I just happened to catch a few days ago on YouTube. It's a little over a minute of comporaneous footage taken at an appearance of TR in New Mexico in 1916 (3 years before his death). He concludes his speech with the doff of the top hat, just like Joe Wiegand apparently does now.

BTW, do you know of any audio of the real TR available on the Internet?

30 posted on 11/27/2009 1:54:34 PM PST by justiceseeker93
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: BillyBoy

I’m now reading “T.R., the Last Romantic” and nearly finished. I see similarities between Wilsonian pacifism and our current administration. So, even though TR was a Progressive and had a somewhat daffy identification with “the people,” he was wonderfully militaristic. TR also had some good points in defending moderate vs. conservative, and one realizes the very same arguments and conflicts never go away. We may even be saying a redux of 1912 in the making before our very eyes now.


31 posted on 11/28/2009 3:58:13 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God help us. Pray for America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: justiceseeker93; La Enchiladita; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy
Might wanna check out these for a time warp into elections of a century ago (though the last clip is obviously silly satire). Apparently they got some guy at the Woodrow Wilson Presidential Library who does a professional Wilson impersonation. Maybe they should look into holding some kind of re-enactment of the 1912 elections with all three candidates on the 100th anniversary and educate the public about different political viewpoints and how they compare to today's candidates (I always found these types of things more fascinating than the civil war battle reenactments). Though of course the three candidates would not have debated each other on stage in real life.

Actual Teddy Roosevelt 1912 campaign speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVNwLzUcPYk

Actual Woodrow Wilson 1912 campaign speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgiOpATuxI&feature=related

Actual William Howard Taft speech - The Farmer And The Republican Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Wv2ByabL0

President Taft`s speech reenactment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-jYA8vw9vU

President Roosevelt speech reenactment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqyyyJxnH1c

William Howard Taft Mock Attack Ad 1912
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWdwxbKWBA&feature=related

32 posted on 11/30/2009 11:08:06 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: justiceseeker93; La Enchiladita; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy


33 posted on 11/30/2009 11:09:03 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: BillyBoy

I probably heard TR’s voice before, I always knew his sort of high-pitched, hoity-toity, upper-crust New Yorker accent and speech pattern never quite fit his “look” (which you expected to sound deeper and more western-y). TR’s accent I find to be rather grating, and pompous. Wilson’s, I was rather surprised at. I knew that given he was a Virginia native, he’d have a slight Southern affectation, which he does, but he sounds similar to the film actor Gary Cooper (and Cooper was from Montana). TR’s voice by comparison sounds like someone who’d spent a long time in sheltered academia or amongst elites (which you’d think Wilson’s ought to sound like, but doesn’t - it’s Wilson that sounds like he might’ve spent time out in the West). I can tell, though, that FDR also sounds somewhat similar to his relative (most of us are familiar with his voice).

Somebody commented on YouTube that Taft’s voice as sounding somewhat like Eisenhower’s, but it actually even sounds like a mix between Eisenhower and Truman, somewhat a more western sounding accent (although Truman outright sounded like a Southerner, although he grew up in that part of Missouri where Southern & (Mid)Western accents overlapped). Of course, Taft was from Cincinnati, and you could even detect just a faint hit of Southerner (and a lot of folks from Southern Ohio do have Southern accents similar to Kentucky). It’s interesting, though, as I said, how some of the faces don’t quite seem to match what you’d necessarily think they’d sound like.


34 posted on 12/01/2009 10:03:48 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; La Enchiladita

I never heard TR’s voice before. I wouldn’t have guessed it.

Woodrow Wilson must have put people (and his students) to sleep.


35 posted on 12/01/2009 1:00:38 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Impy

Block of Woodrow Wilson.


36 posted on 12/01/2009 1:08:08 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Impy

Naah, Wilson had the best, most macho-sounding voice of the bunch. TR would’ve been lampooned today as effete with his voice. Of course, had I been around in 1912 to cast a vote, it would’ve been an easy choice. William Howard Taft.


37 posted on 12/01/2009 2:59:19 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: BillyBoy; nicollo
nicollo, FYI

They did have Stephen Cleveland, the grandson of President Grover Cleveland, interviewed on CSPAN during their "American Presidents" series a few years back (Stephen's not that old because both his father and grandfather had babies while in their 60s), and he reminded me quite a bit of his grandfather.

There's a guy in Virginia today who's John Tyler's grandson. The Tylers also bred late.

38 posted on 12/01/2009 3:12:37 PM PST by x
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson