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Karl Rove: Voter Anger Is Building Over Deficits
The Wall Street Journal ^ | November 26, 2009 | Karl Rove

Posted on 11/27/2009 2:06:35 AM PST by Puzzleman

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Mr. Obama's spending choices are dragging congressional Democrats into ugly electoral territory where many are likely to meet a brutal fate next fall.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2010midterms; backlash; bhodeficit; democrats; obama; poll; rove
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Oh, I hope so!
1 posted on 11/27/2009 2:06:37 AM PST by Puzzleman
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To: Puzzleman

And on Capitol Hill they want to sell us Health Scare which will dip even deeper into the funny money.


2 posted on 11/27/2009 2:09:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Puzzleman

I pissed at the spending when Nixon was in office. Today it is so out of control it is a nightmare.


3 posted on 11/27/2009 2:09:29 AM PST by bmwcyle (When do they collect and jail the homeless when they don't buy their health care?)
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To: Puzzleman

Too bad Rove didn’t figure that out while Bush was President.


4 posted on 11/27/2009 2:11:15 AM PST by DB
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To: Puzzleman

My concern is the retirement package ‘we’ pay them, even after they are voted out.


5 posted on 11/27/2009 2:12:43 AM PST by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second - GO SARAHCUDA!!!!)
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To: Puzzleman

Unfortunately the Republicans have not proven they deserve to run both houses of Congress. As we know the Republican takeover in 1994 resulted in a spending orgy. I see no evidence the current Republican leadership (McConnell and Boehner) would work to lower federal spending, roll back entitlement programs, and reduce the size of the bureaucracy.


6 posted on 11/27/2009 2:13:41 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Soul of the South

You are right,
There is little difference in the two parties.
They look after themselves and then maybe the country.
And both want to simply spend MY MONEY.


7 posted on 11/27/2009 2:17:36 AM PST by Joe Boucher (This marxist punk has got to go.)
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To: Soul of the South
the Republican takeover in 1994 resulted in a spending orgy

As I recall, it resulted in a balanced budget and Clinton tried to take credit for it.

8 posted on 11/27/2009 2:23:52 AM PST by Puzzleman ("All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Joe Boucher; Soul of the South; DB

I agree with you all, but the Republican Party is our only viable chance at changing it. You all are right. We aren’t going to do it with the current Republican leadership, who also spent like drunken sailors when they were in charge. That’s why we have to work toward winning primaries.

Tom Coburn is a pretty good Republican don’t you think? Well, he was NOT the party establishment pick, but we conservatives gave him the primary in spite of the opposition. That’s exactly what conservatives in other states need to do. Get conservatives into the primaries (on the Republican ticket) and work toward electing them!

Take the Democrats and liberal Republicans down!


9 posted on 11/27/2009 2:29:02 AM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: DB

Rove did figure out the spending thing as GWB’s adviser, he thought it was a good thing! Same old Rove thinking about Amnesty, SCourt nominees, FedReserve, Freddie/Fannie, etc....when all one cares about is re-election, then principles do not matter. See Newt G., Charley Crist, McCain, etc.


10 posted on 11/27/2009 2:33:13 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Puzzleman
We are so far in debt it doesn't matter who is in there.

Saying that I would like to see true Conservatives running things. NO RINOS NO CROOKS

We need to get the crooks out. Frank, Dodd, Murtha just to name a few. . . . . . .

11 posted on 11/27/2009 2:42:59 AM PST by Voter#537 (You've got your radio Turnt to Low - Turn't up. . . . . (Bo Didley))
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To: CitizenUSA

Charlie Crist is my first take down goal.
My current governor is a snake in the grass rino.
And to be honest I can not think of a single congress critter or senator from Florida I’d vote to retain.
They all think of themselves and re-election 1st.


12 posted on 11/27/2009 2:49:03 AM PST by Joe Boucher (This marxist punk has got to go.)
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To: Voter#537
We need to get the crooks out. Frank, Dodd, Murtha just to name a few. . . . . . .

My God, dont forget Pelosi

13 posted on 11/27/2009 3:02:08 AM PST by beachn4fun (Make a list of incumbents, then, vote them all out!)
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To: bmwcyle
I know I will get flamed for this but I think what really got us into this mess is everyone harps that elections should be about issues. Voting issues invariably leads to costly new programs. This repeats itself election after election. Elected officials have staffs always looking for new issues, i.e. new ways to spend taxpayer dollars.

I would prefer to focus ALMOST exclusively on a candidate's character and philosophy of government. Matters of defense and duties specifically commanded by the Constitution are valid issues for debate. If a candidate attempts to stray to other issues he should be forced to explain how that issue fits into his philosophy and, more importantly, into the Constitution.

14 posted on 11/27/2009 3:04:30 AM PST by monocle
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To: Puzzleman

Here are some numbers:

US Deficit $1,433,517,600,000+

US Debt: 12,042,736,000,000 ($12 trillion)
US Unfunded Debt(off Books SS Medicare, Drugs) 106,294,935,000,000 ($106 trillion)

GDP 12,833,703,000
2007 IRS Personal Adjusted Gross Income $8,878,500,000,000

Assets (Small business, Corporate & Household) $74 trillion
Private debt $16.6 trillion ($14 trillion mortgage debt)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


15 posted on 11/27/2009 3:07:03 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Soul of the South
I getting tired of the Glenn Beck/RonPaul/Leftytarian talking points about painting every R with the D stench...it is a meta-strategy of/for the Left! The Left knows they are facing a historic purge in 2010 and probably 2012....this trope about all Rs are as bad as Drats is laying the groundwork for a 3rd party (Lou Dobbs) type of populist fraux candidate, does Ross Perot bring back any memories Soul of the South?
Think about 1992....Ross Perot = BJ Clinton, 2012....Lou Dobbs = B. Obama.
16 posted on 11/27/2009 3:10:02 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Soul of the South
As we know the Republican takeover in 1994 resulted in a spending orgy.

No. From 1995 through 1998, the Gingrich-Armey Republicans in the House hung tough on the budget and balanced it over Bill Clinton's systematic opposition. As with welfare reform, however, once it was a done deal Clinton tried to take credit.

Unfortunately, the congressional Republicans lost their focus after achieving welfare reform and a balanced budget. They tackled health care reform, and lost. They were scorched on impeachment. Once they were stalled on their reform agenda, and with the budget moving into surplue, they lapsed into incumbency protection and started spending.

The 2000 presidential election was fought in large part on how to "spend" the surplus, with the Democrats wanting to grow government and the Republicans wanting to cut taxes. We of course ended up doing both, despite the recession that was already clearly approaching by mid-2000, well prior to the election.

17 posted on 11/27/2009 3:20:01 AM PST by sphinx
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To: iopscusa
Absolutely agree about Third Parties. I fell for the Ross Perot scam and have felt like a dirty traitor ever since.

The journalist activists will attempt to fan one. It's a Democrat ploy. We need to target primamries to keep RINOs from even being nominated.

18 posted on 11/27/2009 3:22:13 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Lay the proud usurpers low! Tyrants fall in every foe! Liberty's in every blow!")
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To: Soul of the South
Soul of the South, I checked your FR post history and found your post, “Prescription for the rebirth of US manufacturing” this is EXCELLENT! You have pecisely written my thinking on US Manufacturing, which has been left out of consideration for too long and along with a full blown drill now energy policy your remedies/reforms would be a perfect platform for a Palin or other Presidential Candidare to run with....have you sent this to Palin or Senator Demint??? Thanks for your good work here!
19 posted on 11/27/2009 3:25:20 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: monocle

Does anyone that runs for political office really have character, honesty,integrity and political philosophy? Well, there may be a couple, but they do not wield the power to run our government.

The political pressure of the parties control government. The Democrat party seems to have more firm control.

We need regular common sense people (even with faults) that are willing to follow the Constitution and serve the public good (and not self-serving interests). We need people with mixture of private and public service (and not paid long term politicans). We need people that are willing to stand up to the established parties and lobbyists and do the right thing and reform the political parties.

We the public must demand the reform of both parties, otherwise a new party will emerge evenutally.

Most of all we must go back to our founding roots and make GOD part of our system of government.


20 posted on 11/27/2009 3:25:50 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: DB
Too bad Rove didn’t figure that out while Bush was President.

I see there are some still beating that dead horse. Bush is gone so why keep bringing it up?

I am sure you are much more pleased with the Messiah and Dumbo than Bush and Cheney. And of course there is Michelle compared to Laura. Just lots to love with the change.

21 posted on 11/27/2009 3:27:43 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: mathluv
My concern is the retirement package ‘we’ pay them, even after they are voted out.

Or go to jail...


22 posted on 11/27/2009 3:33:41 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: iopscusa

Agree 110%! I’ve grown tired of Beck’s 3rd party push - simply a method to insure more MAO-bama. Beck is either naive & stupid or, at worst, a rat in disguise to push this nonsense. I love his exposing the commies....even if it’s simply a cover.


23 posted on 11/27/2009 3:35:53 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: ADSUM
"U.S. Bishops Voice Disappointment in Abortion-Funding Provisions in Senate Health Bill, Urge Better Care for Immigrants and Affordability"

Is this what you are advocating?

24 posted on 11/27/2009 3:38:52 AM PST by monocle
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To: newfreep

I do appreciate G Beck’s exposure of Commies and RINOS but I too do not overly trust him unlike those I do have trust in, Jim Rob, Andy Breitbart, Rush, Levin, Andy McCarthy, John Bolton, Jim Demint, Jack Cashill are a few I truly respect.
There is something messianic about GB, seems that like many recovered addicts, GB has become reactionary and/or mentally unstable....of course he is not @ Olbermann’s or Matthew/Pelosi’s level of instability, yet there may be a time that GB will go off the cliff... beware of so-called good intentions of such a one as GB.


25 posted on 11/27/2009 4:01:03 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Puzzleman

Democrats and RINO’S need to be defeated!


26 posted on 11/27/2009 4:08:47 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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To: DB

No kidding. Moron could not figure out why Republicans stayed home the past few years - many because of the spending. However, I dont think many of us realized how Obama and the democraps would make Bush look like a piker, a rank amatuer, when it comes to spending.


27 posted on 11/27/2009 4:12:27 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Joe Boucher

You said it, “Big Government Party A” and “Big Government Party B.”(Was it Beck who coined those names?)

Both believe in big government and big taxes, if only for slightly different reasons.


28 posted on 11/27/2009 4:23:05 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Puzzleman

That is my recollection also, engineered principally by John Kasich.


29 posted on 11/27/2009 4:24:13 AM PST by Scanian
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To: beachn4fun
While the pole cat (Pelosi) definitely needs to be sent packing, and she is a crook too, and a liar, I haven't seen the amount of $$ that is in the news about Dodd, Frank and Murtha, et al. They stole money for themselves.

Anyway we need to do what the pole cat promised. . . . . . Drain the swamp. Get the slime O U T ! ! ! ! !NOW
We don't have a lot of time left. . . .

30 posted on 11/27/2009 4:25:09 AM PST by Voter#537 (You've got your radio Turnt down to Low - Turn't up. . . . . (Bo Didley))
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To: iopscusa

People tend to forget that Rove is a political consultant and strategist and not any sort of conservative theorist.


31 posted on 11/27/2009 4:25:40 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Joe Boucher

I agree, as a resident of east Pasco County, especially about dumping Suntan Charlie.

My congresswoman, Ginny Brown-Waite, is not bad but she has become less and less responsive to her constituents as she spends more and more time inside the Beltway.


32 posted on 11/27/2009 4:28:10 AM PST by Scanian
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To: beachn4fun

Dodd is probably a goner but the other two are as obnoxious as they are because of the safety of their districts. Retirement is the only hope for getting rid on them and, since they’re both pushing 70, that could actually happen, though I’m not holding my breath.


33 posted on 11/27/2009 4:30:23 AM PST by Scanian
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To: monocle

We’ve been faked out by that a few times too, as apparently “conservative” candidates got our votes, won elections and went on to DC only to catch “Potomac fever” and let us down.

Good character and philosophy, yes, but we can never, ever let up the pressure on them if we succeed in getting them elected.


34 posted on 11/27/2009 4:33:03 AM PST by Scanian
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To: iopscusa

What you say has some validity but when you think about the loose spending under Bush and his weakness on the illegal immigration issue, it shouldn’t be hard to understand why some of us regard the D’s and R’s as two sides of the Big Government coin.


35 posted on 11/27/2009 4:35:28 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Soul of the South

> the Republican takeover in 1994 resulted in a spending orgy

The Republican takeover in 94 resulted in a balanced budget, welfare reform, etc... at least for a few years until a Republican became President.


36 posted on 11/27/2009 4:35:53 AM PST by XEHRpa
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To: DB

For most of Bush presidency, consumers had ready credt,also. The sea change is that now, consumers used to that no longer have it, therefore take debt much more seriously.


37 posted on 11/27/2009 4:37:50 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: beachn4fun

“My God, dont forget Pelosi “

Bingo. The power mad diva Pelosi wrote the porkulous in her office. Not to mention the house’s PelosiCare.

Paris Pelosi needs have have her big plane taken away.


38 posted on 11/27/2009 4:38:17 AM PST by y6162 (uish..)
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To: Scanian

Hopefully good and strong character could resist the Potomac virus. Group think?


39 posted on 11/27/2009 4:39:33 AM PST by monocle
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To: Scanian
since they’re both pushing 70, that could actually happen,

Don't hold your breath....there're plans afoot to raise the retirement age. I'm sure all part of their plan.

40 posted on 11/27/2009 4:40:09 AM PST by beachn4fun (Make a list of incumbents, then, vote them all out!)
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To: beachn4fun

I’m not aware of a congressional retirement age. Dingel is over 80, for example.

I’m just engaging in a little wishful thinking that maybe the ultra-lefties from safe districts would like to find something else to do besides looting the country in their golden years.


41 posted on 11/27/2009 4:47:16 AM PST by Scanian
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I’m a conservative living in New York, a rare breed, indeed. Yesterday, to celebrate Thanksgiving, I did something I should have done YEARS ago, and that is that I officially registered myself with the New York State Conservative Party. I was able to do so online and can only assume that this will automatically remove me from the registers of the Republican Party, although I can’t be certain. In any case, it does me proud to be able to tell people that I can’t stand democrats OR republicans, and now I have a big “C” next to my name to prove it.


42 posted on 11/27/2009 4:50:00 AM PST by bobby cep ("...if you're over 40 and you're not a conservative, you have no brain!" Winston Churchill)
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To: CitizenUSA
Take the Democrats and liberal Republicans down! ....the current Republican leadership also spends like drunken sailors when they are in charge........but the Republican Party is our only viable chance. That’s why we have to work toward winning primaries w/ bonafide conservatives on the Republican ticket

We now have a democrat party that is a complete nightmare.......a republican party whose only argument is “We are not democrats”.........

HOLD CANDIDATES' FEET TO THE FIRE. It's in our hands to dictate the terms. PASS THE WORD To tea partiers, 9/12 marchers, pro-lifers; defense of marriage, 2nd amendment, anti ObamaCare, anti-amnesty, anti cap/trade conservatives.

These are the terms under which we conservatives permit candidates to earn our support:

(1) Your conservative group holds an official position within the campaign;

(2) Your group's issue is affirmed in the candidate's platform;

(3) Your group is in attendance at all campaign strategy meetings;

(4) Your group holds a paid job in the campaign;

(5) Your group holds a paid position in the winning candidate's elective office.

(6) The candidate must renounce RINOS and pukeneos before he/she gets conservative endorsement.

43 posted on 11/27/2009 4:55:56 AM PST by Liz
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To: Puzzleman

Republicans only seem to be against spending when the Democrats are in charge.


44 posted on 11/27/2009 5:13:02 AM PST by all the best
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
It isn't a dead horse.

Rove wrote this article in the hear and now. I didn't “bring it up”. Rove is trying to influence Republicans with his “wisdom” and guide our policy in the future when in fact, Rove did exactly the opposite as he wrote here. Rove has a lot to do with why Democrats controlling both houses and the Presidency.

So my point is Rove is poison to conservatives in the hear and now.

Your knee-jerk response is lame.

45 posted on 11/27/2009 5:22:56 AM PST by DB
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To: gusopol3

I don’t disagree but it was just as wrong then as it is now. Rove doesn’t get a pass.


46 posted on 11/27/2009 5:24:45 AM PST by DB
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Dang...

Make that “here and now” in both places...


47 posted on 11/27/2009 5:25:58 AM PST by DB
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To: monocle

“I would prefer to focus ALMOST exclusively on a candidate’s character and philosophy of government.”

_________________________________________

Interesting take, monocle. :)


48 posted on 11/27/2009 5:27:05 AM PST by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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To: ADSUM
Does anyone that runs for political office really have character, honesty,integrity and political philosophy? Well, there may be a couple, but they do not wield the power to run our government.

That is because they are power hungry career politicians

Real term limits is the only way out of this quagmire
49 posted on 11/27/2009 5:31:05 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Scanian

Seems to be a very common diesease. Spend too much time in D.C. and you go kookoo.


50 posted on 11/27/2009 6:35:27 AM PST by Joe Boucher (This marxist punk has got to go.)
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