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Did Barack Obama Lie About His Birth To Become President?
Telegraph(UK) ^ | November 27th 2009

Posted on 11/27/2009 6:28:50 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: SatinDoll
It is not settled. The legal move to unseat the usurper Obama hasn’t even begun to rumble.

Oh yes it has. Read the information at the following website. www.americangrandjury.org
51 posted on 11/27/2009 7:35:07 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Steelfish
PAGING ALL PROFESSIONAL "BIRTHER" TROLLS!

You're falling down on the job here.

52 posted on 11/27/2009 7:42:49 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: Steelfish
"They dismiss the Birthers as a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theorists"

Jusy like they dismissed the global warming 'deniers', and we all know how that turned out.
53 posted on 11/27/2009 7:46:57 PM PST by JACKRUSSELL
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To: Steelfish
A few questions I would like answered.
Did BO register at Occidental, or Columbia, as foreign student?
There have been questions about bogus, or, at least more than one SS number assigned to BO. What has developed with that angle?
Has BO ever traveled internationally with a foreign passport? Such as a Indonesian passport.
There are additional questions, but these are a few I would think any astute and reasonably well connected detective type could track down.
54 posted on 11/27/2009 7:48:24 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
There are additional questions, but these are a few I would think any astute and reasonably well connected detective type could track down.

Then why hasn't one? It's not like these stories came out last week, this has been going on for a year now. Why hasn't one of those astute and reasonably well connected detective types gotten any answers yet?

55 posted on 11/27/2009 7:51:04 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Shermy
His Republican contender, Mr. Seven of Nine, was far ahead of him in the polls—then exposed as a pervert.

I believe Obama was already ahead when Ryan's secrets were exposed and he dropped out.
56 posted on 11/27/2009 7:53:11 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Non-Sequitur
You're a regular on these threads, much more so than I. Answer the questions you've posted. Where are you regarding obama’s hidden or MIA personal history?
57 posted on 11/27/2009 8:01:45 PM PST by GBA
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To: GBA
You're a regular on these threads, much more so than I. Answer the questions you've posted.

The only answer I can think of is that if there was something to be found then someone would have found it by now. What's your explanation?

58 posted on 11/27/2009 8:03:21 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: onedoug
This State Law would end the charade. It would end it NOW.
59 posted on 11/27/2009 8:07:11 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: onedoug
If as Comrade Obama Jr claims his dad was Barak Hussein Obama Sr, of Kenya,
than it's not possible for Junior to be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.

At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich De Vattel, (1714-1767,) Law of Nations, 1758, § 212, "Of the citizens and naturals."

60 posted on 11/27/2009 8:12:04 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Steelfish

Can’t say he lied about it, no one dare question it.


61 posted on 11/27/2009 8:13:26 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Non-Sequitur
if there was something to be found then someone would have found it by now

LOL!! You mean he doesn't have a long form BC or doesn't have a passport, or doesn't have his college records, etc., etc. With your thought process - he doesn't exist!
62 posted on 11/27/2009 8:19:17 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Steelfish
As the President's spokesman Robert Gibbs says, no evidence will ever be enough to 'assuage those that don't believe he was born here'

Not true, present a long form BC.

63 posted on 11/27/2009 8:19:42 PM PST by BARLF
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To: Non-Sequitur
I don't have explanations or answers, only observations and questions.

Most Presidents and Presidential candidates, willingly or otherwise, eventually open their personal history and records for public viewing. Usually, they do this very early. obama, his "autobiographies" notwithstanding, apparently has chosen a different path and his records are not for public consumption. This is very curious, especially if opinions regarding obama's narcissistic ego are true.

Others have said he has spent a fairly large sum to actively hide his records and use lawyers to fight to keep his records private. Again, why? Political gamesmanship or something else?

When I try to answer my own questions, I remember the various Clinton dalliances and psuedo-scandals. As someone said of Clinton, "It's not so much what you know, but what you can prove."

Do you have an opinion why these questions about obama remain unanswered and why obama apparently chooses not to answer them?

64 posted on 11/27/2009 8:22:45 PM PST by GBA
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To: Steelfish
Do in the woods?
65 posted on 11/27/2009 8:45:07 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: ASA Vet

I don’t recall any mention of that tract in the Constitution, which would, in fact however, give over that document’s founding to “international, and specifically, European law” which so many today seem so adamantly opposed to. Thus I’d ask in that context, “Which is it then? American Constitutional appeals to international law, or not?”

Though my initial observation herein seems simple enough. Will The Supreme Court take this issue up, or not? I suspect not, in which case the matter would seem settled by the Justices as it is, yours or my huffing and puffing notwithstanding.

If they do take the issue up then I would certainly be interested. But, as I said originally, I don’t believe they will. Thus, in that case, I would consider the issue as settled, yours or my liking it or not.


66 posted on 11/27/2009 8:46:15 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
I suggest you get this book when it's released and read Chapter 1

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Mark Weston Janis

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1. The Law of Nations and the New Republic: Jefferson and Madison
2. The Law of Nations and International Law: Blackstone and Bentham
3. International Law and American Law: Marshall and Story
4. The International Law of Christendom: Kent and Wheaton
5. International Law and American Diplomacy: Jay and Webster
6. The Utopians: Dodge, Worcester, Ladd and Burritt
7. Slavery and American Exceptionalism: Taney and his Court
8. The Codification and Science of International Law: Lieber, Field and Wharton
9. The Alabama Arbitration and its Progeny: The International Law Association and the American Society of International Law
10. The New Utopians: Brace, Hill and Carnegie
11. The Reluctant International Law Enthusiast: Wilson
12. The Profession of International Law: Root and Scott
13. After Utopia: International Law and Isolationism

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Mark Weston Janis is William F. Starr Professor of Law at the University of Connecticut School of Law.
Born in Chicago in 1947, he is a graduate of Princeton (A.B. 1969),
Oxford (B.A. 1972) where he was a Rhodes scholar, and Harvard (J.D. 1977).
He served as a U.S. naval officer (1972-75), and practiced international corporate and financial law
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An Introduction to International Law (Aspen 5th edn 2008),
Cases and Commentary on International Law (West 3rd edn 2006),
and European Human Rights Law (OUP 3rd edn 2008).
He has also published more than 50 articles on international law.

67 posted on 11/27/2009 8:48:22 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Jeremiah Jr; null and void; freema
'His background throws up all kinds of anomalies. It may sound incredible (but) this guy comes from nowhere. No one really knows who he is.'

Kind of like Gog from Magog - noone can conclude with any certainty who or where this is.

Maybe it's all plain as day, a president (nasi) who is probably of foreign origin.

08422 Tuwbal {too-bal'} or Tubal {too-bal'}
probably of foreign derivation;; n pr m
AV - Tubal 8; 8
Tubal = "thou shall be brought"

And

04902 Meshek {meh'-shek}
the same in form as 04901, but probably of foreign derivation;; n pr m
AV - Meshech 8, Mesech 1; 9
Mesech or Meshech = "drawing out"

68 posted on 11/27/2009 8:51:48 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Smokeyblue
With no birth certificate how do you know Ann Dunham is even his birth mother?

Indeed. So bring it forward. Let's see if it bears out, ultimately to the Supreme Court.

I doubt they'll ever take it up.

69 posted on 11/27/2009 8:52:29 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Steelfish

Thanks for posting Steelfish.

I have been caling Obama “The Man From Nowhere” since was nominated.


70 posted on 11/27/2009 8:52:56 PM PST by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Thank-you for my riotous laugh of the night!


71 posted on 11/27/2009 8:56:35 PM PST by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: Cincinna

Your welcome. I was stunned to see issue validated by a major UK newspaper what the US MSM refuses to touch.


72 posted on 11/27/2009 9:24:54 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Wait, Malcom X is his father????? I thought Frank Marshall Davis was his father . . . . now I’m really confused.


73 posted on 11/27/2009 9:42:45 PM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: Steelfish

Bump!!


74 posted on 11/27/2009 10:28:44 PM PST by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Why hasn't one of those astute and reasonably well connected detective types gotten any answers yet?

Because George Soros, et al, have more money to hire more "agents" who can cover up faster than the "Birthers" can uncover stuff.

Be that as it may, nothing beyond what is in his books is required. His father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth(or ever). Therefore while he may be a citizen, depending on where and exactly when he was born, he is not and cannot be a Natural Born citizen.

75 posted on 11/27/2009 11:14:52 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Man50D

Personally, I think President soetoro’s birth by a mother who was an American citizen is sufficient, and I don’t expect the Supreme Court to ever take it up.

I AGREE


76 posted on 11/28/2009 1:47:36 AM PST by dixjea
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To: dixjea
Personally, I think President soetoro’s birth by a mother who was an American citizen is sufficient, and I don’t expect the Supreme Court to ever take it up.

I didn't make this comment. Regardless of that fact, Federal law at the time BO was born required a parent to have been physically present in the U.S. for at least ten years with five of those years after the age of fourteen in order to transfer her U.S. citizenship to BO. This means he needed to be at least nineteen when she gave birth but she was only eighteen. Consequently she could not transfer her citizenship to him.

Chances increase SCOTUS will review his eligibility as more Presentments are served nationwide. This has been and is continuing to happen.
77 posted on 11/28/2009 4:19:32 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Steelfish

“Did Barack Obama Lie About His Birth To Become President?”
*****************************

???

Do a bear **** in the woods!

Semper WTF?
Dick G
**** *


78 posted on 11/28/2009 4:24:43 AM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'en Commie Basterd!)
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To: Steelfish
Did Barack Obama Lie About His Birth To Become President?

He's not the president. He's a usurper who site in the Oval Office as a result of a coup d'etat, the sudden unconstitutional deposition of a government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment. A coup d’état succeeds when the usurper establishes his legitimacy.


79 posted on 11/28/2009 4:42:08 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith
He's a usurper who site sits in the Oval Office.

Sorry -- I'm working with one eye.
80 posted on 11/28/2009 4:43:59 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Steelfish

It may be a small window but for all those Americans who do not think we can survive much longer with this idiot in office, demanding his birth and lifetime records may be the best solution.


81 posted on 11/28/2009 8:35:58 AM PST by llotter (Without Responsiblilty, People Will Act Irresponsible.)
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To: Man50D
"Did Barack Obama Lie About His Birth To Become President"

What a country we live in! Think of the absolute absurdity of the situation. The Constitution defines qualifications for a Presidential candidate but the Legal wing REFUSES to allow people to investigate or apply them. This is the same legal system that is proud to ignore Justice because of process mistakes. "Let the murderer go free - you did not read him his rights." No Common Sense, no Justice - just law.

We have a 1% chance of fixing the problem - lawyers infest the Administration, lawyers infest the Legislature, and lawyers are the Law. They've got it made, they control everything , and they are damned if they will change anything.

I know the quote is misused, but "First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

82 posted on 11/28/2009 9:06:11 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: K-oneTexas
This was one of the comments by a Bitish man at the link. I think with exposures of widespread fraud in climategate, people are questioning government and want the truth.

The prpblem is many "curious conspiracy theories" are now turning out to be right. One example of a conspiracy theory was when Ted Heath was claimed to have agreed to the then EEC eventually becoming a single nation state. Anti-EU campaigners were laughted at but documents released from the government archives prove they were right all along. Just because they are labelled "conspiracy theories" it does not mean they are wrong.

83 posted on 11/28/2009 9:19:06 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Steelfish

I remember reading ,during the campaign, Bill Ayers had posters of Malcolm X in his University office. They were taken down when questions emerged about his relationship with Obama.


84 posted on 11/28/2009 9:27:46 AM PST by opentalk
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To: americanophile
It is a sad irony, though, that so many Americans feel sufficiently dissatisfied by their first black President that they would rather put their trust in a British detective and his curious conspiracy theories.

Irony, indeed!

Why doesn't the Obama administration show the long form Birth Certificate -- along with Obama's other vital records -- and prove we are the "racist" you imply we are!

Why is Obama and company expending so much energy to hide the aforementioned information from concerned American citizens?

We're waiting?

STE=Q

85 posted on 11/28/2009 10:30:21 AM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: F15Eagle

His lie to the audience isn’t the real wickedness; the disdain this affirmative action bastard has for his black aufdience that he would lie so blatantly believing he could get away with it because of his perceived belief in their stupidity to believe him is the deeper wickedness of this liar-in-chief. ... And it continues to piss me off that black people embrace him despite his haughty disdain for them! It is that way with the democrat party as a whole, too. The power brokers of the DNC don’t give a fig about about the state of black people in America, so long as the black vote can be tricked for democrats the DNC will keep the welfare plantation in full force to enslave generations of black children, at least those black children who get to be born and not slaughtered on the democrat altar to abortion.


86 posted on 11/28/2009 10:43:28 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: onedoug

And it is even more complex than just his place of birth. He may well have gamed the various laws to ebnefit himself illicitly, using various nationalities to enter college and/or gain tuition assitance and/or obtain passports, etc. The most disturbing aspect is the general blaise to just ignore the real chances that the current oval office resident is a criminal to be granted yet again affirmative action pass because of his ‘blackness’. What an insult to black people in America!


87 posted on 11/28/2009 10:51:51 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Steelfish

I followed a few links, and now I am for the very first time actually wondering if Malcolm X or someone besides BO Senior was the “sperm donor” for our President. There is a lot of evidence that BO Sr. was “used” (most likely with his full cooperation) as the “father” of Junior. It definitely sounds like Stanley Ann got knocked up by SOMEBODY back in Seattle.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html


88 posted on 11/28/2009 12:04:52 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Bahbah

Exactly. Now that we know as incontrovertible fact that our President is a huge liar, there is absolutely NO reason to give him any benefit of the doubt about his history.

His sperm donor, whoever knocked up his mom, was probably 100% American, back then in Seattle. Maybe even famous (Malcolm X for one) in the black communist movement. So he’s a legit President, if so, but that does make everything else about him pretty much a lie. Like his “autobiography,” written by someone else, like Malcolm X, who at least had the excuse of being dead and unable to finish his.

He trusted the American people not one WHIT when running for the greatest office, so obviously he doesn’t think much of America’s people or this country. He just wants CONTROL. There is no evidence to the contrary.


89 posted on 11/28/2009 12:10:08 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Man50D

Technicality.
Let’s cause a civil war over a technicality.
Better to let his term run its course and re elect a better president. In the mean while hem him in on all sides so he doesn’t do too much damage. He was elected to be president while being black. Now we have broken that ‘glass ceiling” it causes the race baiters to have less power.


90 posted on 11/28/2009 2:52:10 PM PST by dixjea
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To: dixjea
Technicality.
Let’s cause a civil war over a technicality.
Better to let his term run its course and re elect a better president.


BO's eligibility is a Constitutional matter. The Constitution is not a mere technicality. Doing so would be playing right into the socialists hands.
91 posted on 11/28/2009 2:55:41 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: dixjea

I doubt there would be a civil war if the Zero got booted out of office for legitimate reasons. I don’t think the libbies are that far gone.


92 posted on 11/28/2009 7:15:33 PM PST by Cecily
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To: Ezekiel

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God...


93 posted on 11/29/2009 9:36:45 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 312 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Steelfish

obumpa


94 posted on 12/03/2009 8:31:38 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: All

JB Williams
Canada Free Press

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

___________________________________

A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.

She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.

So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded

Please visit Dr. Orly’s website. Don’t be influenced by the Obots here..Please do what you can to help her.

.


95 posted on 12/13/2009 5:18:23 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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