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Deadly Russia Train Derailment 'Appears to Be Terrorism' [will we ever learn the truth?] ^ | November 28, 2009 | Dana Lewis - Fox News

Posted on 11/28/2009 5:27:11 AM PST by ETL

An express train carrying hundreds of passengers from Moscow to St. Petersburg derailed, killing dozens of people and injuring scores of others in what an official says "appears to be an act of terrorism."

"We have the blast remains; a crater. There is little doubt this is terrorism," a source in Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's office told Fox News.

Who was responsible for the derailment or why it occurred "remains unclear," the source said.

Thirty people were killed in the accident and scores injured after the last three cars of the 14-car Nevsky Express left the tracks in the Tver province northwest of Moscow.

Russian Railways President Vladimir Yakunin told reporters Saturday that the Friday accident may have been caused by an explosion under the tracks. ..."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: kgbputin; nevskyexpress; rail; russia; terrorism
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Chechen terrorists to blame for Russian train crash

Your point could have been made simply with the fact that the Chechens haven’t laid claim to this one as of yet....

If the Chechens did it as the lead headline suggests, it would/will be reported on

21 posted on 11/28/2009 6:32:43 AM PST by theanchoragedailyruse
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To: theanchoragedailyruse

The source of your information is RT. Of course they are going to come down on the side of KGB Putin and company.

“RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a globally broadcast English-language news channel from Russia, and the first all-digital Russian TV network, sponsored by the state owned Russian news agency RIA Novosti.[1]”

22 posted on 11/28/2009 6:38:42 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: All
Russia and Islam are not Separate:
Why Russia backs Al-Qaeda

By Konstantin Preobrazhensky

Americans generally believe that Russia is afraid of Islamic terrorism as much as the U.S.A. They are reminded of the war in Chechnya, the hostage crisis at the Beslan School in 2004 and at the Moscow Theater in 2002, and of the apartment house blasts in Moscow in 1999, where over 200 people were killed. It is clear that Russians are also targets of terrorism today.

But in all these events, the participation of the FSB, Federal Security Service, inheritor to the KGB, is also clear. Their involvement in the Moscow blasts has been proven by lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin, a former FSB Colonel. For this he was illegally imprisoned, and is now suffering torture and deprivation of medical assistance, from which he is not likely to survive.

A key distinction between Russian and American attitudes towards Islamic terrorism is that while for America terrorism is largely seen as an exterior menace, Russia uses terrorism as an object as a tool of the state for manipulation in and outside the home country. Islamic terrorism is only part of the world of terrorism. Long before Islamic terrorism became a global threat, the KGB had used terrorism to facilitate the victory of world Communism.

This leads to the logical connection between Russian and Islamic terrorism. The late Alexander Litvinenko, poisoned in London in November, 2006, told me that his former FSB colleagues had trained famous Al-Qaeda terrorists Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Juma Namangoniy during the 1980s and 1990s. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, one of the world's most wanted terrorists, has been responsible for the murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States. Before his death, Juma Namangoniy (Jumabai Hojiyev), a native of Soviet Uzbekistan, was a right-hand man of Osama bin Laden in charge of the Taliban's northern front in Afghanistan.

In 1996, Alexander Litvinenko was responsible for securing the secrecy of Al-Zawahiri's arrival in Russia, who was trained by FSB instructors in Dagestan, Northern Caucasus, in 1996-1997.

At that time, Litvinenko was the Head of the Subdivision for Internationally Wanted Terrorists of the First Department of the Operative-Inquiry Directorate of the FSB Anti-Terrorist Department. He was ordered to undertake the delicate mission of securing Al-Zawahiri from unintentional disclosure by the Russian police. Though Al-Zawahiri had been brought to Russia by the FSB using a false passport, it was still possible for the police to learn about his arrival and report to Moscow for verification. Such a process could disclose Al-Zawahiri as an FSB collaborator.

In order to prevent this, Litvinenko visited a group of the highly placed police officers to notify them in advance. "If you get information about some suspicious Arabs arriving in the Caucasus, please report it to me before informing your leadership", he told them.

Juma Namangoniy was once a student of the Saboteur Training Center of the First Chief Directorate of the KGB in 1989-91. The school was notorious for the international terrorists who matriculated from it. It now belongs to the FSB, and since only KGB staff officers were allowed to study there, Juma Namangoniy's presence clearly suggests that he was much more than a civil collaborator.

Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, five months before the attack. But Iraqi intelligence was just a client of Russia's intelligence service. It brings a new understanding to the fact that President Putin was the first foreign President to call President Bush on 9/11. One may conjecture that he knew in advance what was to happen.

Muslim Name and Communist Heart

Tartars have always been patriotic to Russia. Their independent kingdom was conquered by Russia in the 16th century, but their gentry were allowed to join the Russian upper class and enjoy all its privileges. Even today, many Russian families of noble origin have Tartar origins. Russia has a half-millennium of experience in turning conquered Muslim nations into obedient citizens by bribing their elite.

There are many Soviet Muslims, therefore, who seem to face no conflict of spirit. One can be a Muslim in name only, whose heart belongs to Communism. There have been a lot of such people among Russian Muslims, especially among the Tartars. The Soviet Union has typically preferred to appoint them as ambassadors to Muslim countries. Their Muslim names give them a pass to the local society, but their Communist hearts order them to serve world Communism and not the world of Islam.

In the Soviet period, the highest leadership of the Muslim republics like Uzbekistan were unofficially allowed to practice Islam under the guise of folk rites, even though their Russian colleagues were severely reprimanded for participating in such Christian "rites" as Christmas or Easter. Unlike today, Soviet cartoonists were able to mock Islam as they mocked all other religions and it didn't bring any special reaction.

Muslims of the Uzbek and other Central Asian republics' elite joined the KGB intelligence in order to spy on fellow Muslim countries. In the KGB, I have met a lot of such quasi-Muslim officers.

Russia Grows Muslim

Putin continues the traditional Russian policy of giving privileges to the Muslim elite. Today's Russian Minister of Healthcare, Mikhail Zurabov, is a Chechen. His political agenda includes the total destruction of the Russian healthcare system, looking like revenge for the war in Chechnya. Putin shows no concern over that.

Strategically Russia is surrendering to the Muslim world. The Russian population is declining rapidly, being undermined by 70 years of Communist experiment and the cold indifference of post-communist rulers. Annually, Russia is losing 900 thousand people who are being replaced by Muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Islam is now the second-largest religion in Russia, where it may total up to 28 million adherents. Because of this, Russia was able to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference in 2003.

Russia's great qualitative population change represents both a departure from the past and a strengthening link with it. The synergies between the history of Russia's national policies of terrorism and the radical Islamic terrorism that it is spreading around the world are natural partners that may severely impact on America's own future.


Konstantin Preobrazhensky, a former Lt. Colonel in the KGB who defected to the United States in 1993, is an intelligence expert and specialist on Japan, about which he has written six books. His newest book Russian-American, A New KGB Asset will be published in late 2007. This article was first published by Gerard Group International, Intel Analyses, 31 August 2007.

23 posted on 11/28/2009 6:40:56 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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OTOH, the Chechyans are still around....

24 posted on 11/28/2009 6:42:37 AM PST by expatpat
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The point being here is; if the Chechens did it, they will proudly take responsibility for it...

They haven’t been shy about laying claim to their acts of terror.

It is common knowledge that RT favors the Russia line...

It’s a wait and see....

25 posted on 11/28/2009 6:45:18 AM PST by theanchoragedailyruse
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To: ETL; verity
FYI: there are absolutely people here (a few as I said), who admire Putin, at least one of which is a die-hard Putin supporter. He doesn't seem to post much anymore. But when he did it was always pro-Putin, pro-Russia propaganda/BS from notoriously pro-Putin websites.
By your own admission it's a "few" and if you read between the lines of your own post it's ONE GUY who DOESN'T EVEN POST MUCH ANYMORE.

And on the strength of that, you accuse verity of being a "Putin admirer", which isn't much different than being a Stalin admirer, which really sucks. You owe verity an apology.

And for the record, if you tally up all the terrorist acts on planet earth since 1945 (just to pick an arbitrary point in time), I think you will find that the VAST majority of them are committed by Muslims.

Which might mean that in the case of this train you owe PUTIN an apology.

26 posted on 11/28/2009 6:51:09 AM PST by samtheman
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You purposely embellished the headline to support your point of view which is not, IMO, an acceptable practice.

Although your question is legitimate, it should be in the discussion segment.

27 posted on 11/28/2009 6:55:39 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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your russophobia and hatred towards Putin is driving you insane

28 posted on 11/28/2009 11:46:51 AM PST by RolandOfGilead
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To: RolandOfGilead

You are either stupid and/or ignorant beyond belief or another Putin ass kisser.

29 posted on 11/28/2009 5:34:52 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: verity
You purposely embellished the headline to support your point of view which is not, IMO, an acceptable practice.

My "view" was simply asking 'will we ever know the truth about who actually did it'. And I don't think we ever will get the truth from the Russian press. The ones that aren't controlled by KGB Putin are probably too afraid to speak out. As far as adding personal comments to a title, I'd say about 20% of the articles here have comments attached.

30 posted on 11/28/2009 5:47:37 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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First I've heard of this:

A second explosive device partially detonated Saturday during the clear-up operation near the disaster site, according to the head of Russian Railways, Vladimir Yakunin.

31 posted on 11/28/2009 6:17:00 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 2111USMC

Thanks. Didn’t see it either. Then again I just got back home not too long ago and haven’t had time yet to check the latest news. In any case, when it comes to Russia, one must always be suspicious. They well may be staging many of these terror attacks in order to justify taking brutal actions at some later point. If Russia were really targets of islamic/jihadi terrorists, they wouldn’t be so chummy with Iran, a major supporter of islamic terrorism.

32 posted on 11/28/2009 7:21:17 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: samtheman

Your responses are so filled with idiocy and illogic that it’s difficult to reply. First of all, I DID apology to ‘verity’ for asking him if he was a Putin admirer. I didn’t realize at first that he didn’t know very much about the former KGB official. And, again, I didn’t ‘accuse’ him of being a Putin admirer, I only asked. It was either that or he just didn’t understand how Putin and the KGB/FSB operate.

Second, when I used the word “few” to describe some FRers, I was clearly referring to those here who *admire* Putin, not necessarily support him, although enough here do seem to stand with him on some things, apparently not having a clue that Putin himself is a terrorist and likely has operatives in islamic terror groups like al-qaeda. Or that he was supplying arms to Saddam Hussein...while we were at war with Iraq!

Third, you yourself compare Putin to Stalin, yet you say I owe Putin an apology for suspecting he might be involved in an act of terror?

Your overly emotional, even angry response to my simply asking if KGB Putin might have some involvement in this is quite telling about you. I think I’ll go over some of your previous posts on FR. I see that you have absolutely nothing to contribute on your FR home page, despite your being a member for 8 years.

33 posted on 11/29/2009 8:38:34 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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What is that a threat, ETL? Too bad you can’t threaten me to my face. I’d love the opportunity.

34 posted on 11/29/2009 9:54:33 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

I think it was the Russian government or a Muslim who placed the bomb. However, regardless of who put it there, the Russian/Neo-Soviets are going to blame Georgia for the attack.

35 posted on 11/29/2009 2:15:30 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way...
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