Skip to comments.Deadly Russia Train Derailment 'Appears to Be Terrorism' [will we ever learn the truth?]
Posted on 11/28/2009 5:27:11 AM PST by ETL
An express train carrying hundreds of passengers from Moscow to St. Petersburg derailed, killing dozens of people and injuring scores of others in what an official says "appears to be an act of terrorism."
"We have the blast remains; a crater. There is little doubt this is terrorism," a source in Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's office told Fox News.
Who was responsible for the derailment or why it occurred "remains unclear," the source said.
Thirty people were killed in the accident and scores injured after the last three cars of the 14-car Nevsky Express left the tracks in the Tver province northwest of Moscow.
Russian Railways President Vladimir Yakunin told reporters Saturday that the Friday accident may have been caused by an explosion under the tracks. ..."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Blowing up Russia: The Secret Plot to Bring Back KGB Terror
by Alexander Litvinenko, Yuri Felshtinsky, Geoffrey Andrews and Co (Translator)
Synopsis: Blowing Up Russia contains the allegations of ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko against his former spymasters in Moscow which led to his being murdered in London in November 2006. In the book he and historian Yuri Felshtinsky detail how since 1999 the Russian secret service has been hatching a plot to return to the terror that was the hallmark of the KGB. Vividly written and based on Litvinenko's 20 years of insider knowledge of Russian spy campaigns, Blowing Up Russia describes how the successor of the KGB fabricated terrorist attacks and launched a war. Writing about Litvinenko, the surviving co-author recounts how the banning of the book in Russia led to three earlier deaths.
FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL EUROPE (May 30, 2008)
Dear President Medvedev
By TATYANA MOROZOV and ALYONA MOROZOV
"In three coordinated bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk in September 1999, 292 people were murdered, including our mother Lyubov Morozova. We are writing this open letter to call on you, Dmitry Anatolyevich, to order an independent, open and full investigation of these attacks."
Russian Terror Victims Ask for Truth
In 1999, a series of apartment bombings shook Russia and propelled the country headlong into the Second Chechen War. Nearly nine years after the attacks, which claimed 292 lives, many Russians remain unconvinced by the official version of events, which holds that Chechen separatists were responsible.
Two sisters, who lost their mother in the attack, have written an open letter to President Dmitri Medvedev, urging him to mount a fully open, independent investigation. The sisters, Tatyana and Alyona Morozov, currently reside in Missouri. Their appeal (below) was published in the Wall Street Journal newspaper on May 30th.
Dear President Medvedev
In three coordinated bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk in September 1999, 292 people were murdered, including our mother Lyubov Morozova. We are writing this open letter to call on you, Dmitry Anatolyevich, to order an independent, open and full investigation of these attacks.
Although these crimes were blamed on Chechen terrorists and used to justify the resumption of a full-scale war against Chechnya later that month, there are numerous indications that Russian security services may have been involved. There is also clear evidence of a cover-up by the authorities. We do not consider this case solved.
Let us remind you of some of the facts:
* On September 23, 1999, police arrested three Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted a detonator and RDX the same explosive used in the earlier bombings in the basement of a residential building in the city of Ryazan. The FSB explained the agents activities as a training exercise, claiming the sacks of explosives actually contained only sugar. The investigation was dropped and all evidence classified top secret.
* At about the same time, a Russian soldier discovered RDX in sacks labeled as sugar at his army base near Ryazan. The incident was never investigated and the evidence classified.
* On September 13, 1999, the Speaker of the Duma, Gennady Seleznev, announced that an apartment house in Volgodonsk had been blown up three days before the attack actually occurred.
* Mark Blumenfeld, the property manager of our house on Guryanova Street in Moscow that was blown up, told our lawyer and several journalists that FSB agents had talked him into changing his testimony. The agents showed him a photo of Achemez Gochiyayev, a Chechen he had never seen before, and under pressure he identified him as the man who had rented storage space in the basement.
* The composite sketch based on Mr. Blumenfelds initial description of what the real suspect looked like disappeared from the police file and was replaced with the photograph of Mr. Gochiyaev. Meanwhile, our attorney Mikhail Trepashkin, himself a former KGB agent, told reporters that he had recognized FSB agent Vladimir Romanovich from the police sketch. Romanovich was subsequently killed in Cyprus in a hit and run incident that was never solved.
* In November 2003, on the eve of the trial of two Chechens later convicted for transporting the explosives used in the Moscow bombings, Mr. Trepashkin was arrested after a gun had been planted in his car. This prevented him from submitting Mr. Blumenfelds statement to court that the FSB agents had pressured him to give false evidence. The trial of the two Chechens was not convincing to us or the world as it was held behind closed doors and human rights groups noted numerous violations of due process. Mr. Blumenfelds statement and the replacement of the police sketch with the photo of Mr. Gochiyayev was never reviewed by a Russian court.
* Four people investigating the FSBs possible involvement in the bombings were assassinated. Duma Deputy Sergei Yushenkov was shot dead in Moscow in April 2003 and his colleague Yuri Schekochihin died of apparent poisoning three months later. Journalist Anna Politkovskaya was gunned down in October 2006 in her Moscow apartment block and a month later, former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko died of poisoning in London.
Many Russians have come to the conclusion that the bombings may have been the work of Russian security services. As for our family, our initial trust in the official version of a Chechen trail is long gone. We have come to believe that our mother and neighbors were sacrificed for a political end: To justify the war in Chechnya and help Vladimir Putin become president the following year. Only an objective investigation could make us change this view.
Mr. President, we are writing this open letter because we would like to believe that your ascent to the presidency will end this dark period in Russian history. You were not involved.
We realize that you owe the previous regime a debt of loyalty and gratitude. But the powers of the state were entrusted to you not to protect possible murderers. You are now in control of Russia and your position imposes a higher responsibility. Before history, the people and the memory of innocent victims, you have an obligation to find and tell the truth about these crimes.
* A Record Harvest of Spies
* An Open Letter to the Federal Security Service (FSB) of Russia
* Opposition Activist Revealed as FSB Agent
* Beslan Rights Group Charged With Extremism
* Russian Immigration Agency Knew Nothing About Morars Deportation
* Investigative Journalist Barred From Returning to Moscow
* Kasparov on His FSB Interrogation
Source: Russian Terror Victims Ask for Truth:
Mr Yushchenko before and after the poisoning
"Mr Yushchenko, a pro-European politician who wanted to bring his country out of Russia's shadow, fell seriously ill on September 6, 2004 as he was competing in presidential elections against a pro-Moscow candidate, Viktor Yanukovich, now prime minister.
After months of tests in an Austrian clinic, it was determined that he had ingested a massive amount of the poison dioxin.
Although he survived, his face was left bloated and pockmarked, and he has had to undergo regular treatment to rid his body of the toxin.
In an interview with Le Figaro he said he believed the dioxin used to disfigure him was made in a Russian lab.
Mr Yushchenko did not directly accuse the Russian government of being behind his poisoning, but he did say he had 'practically put all the pieces together' and the attempt against him 'was not a private action'. ..."
"Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko (born February 23, 1954) is the third and current President of Ukraine". He took office on January 23, 2005.
(Ukraine) Hunt starts for Yushchenko's poisoner:
by Peter Brookes, November 27, 2006
The death of former Russian spy, Alexander Litvinenko, last week from radioactive Polonium-210 poisoning is the latest in a series of politically motivated attacks on the outspoken opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The murder of internationally renowned Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya in early October 2006 was yet another troubling sign of Russias retreat into its totalitarian past. Today Frontpage Symposium has gathered a distinguished panel of experts to discuss why Anna Politkovskaya was killed and what the tragic loss of her life symbolizes about the direction in which Vladimir Putins Russia is heading.
'PUTIN'S RUSSIA' by Anna Politkovskaya:
"You may succeed in silencing me but that silence comes at a price. You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed. You have shown yourself to have no respect for life, liberty or any civilised value."
Obituary: Alexander Litvinenko
Times of London, 25 November 2006
On April 23, 2002, Alexander Litvinenko, a former officer of the Russian secret service, arrived at Heathrow, supposedly on a stopover before flying on to the Caribbean. Claiming that he was being persecuted by the Russian authorities, he sought political asylum.
Alexander Valterovich Litvinenko was born in 1962 in Voronezh, south of Moscow. After high school and extended service in the Soviet Army (in which his grandfather was an officer), he graduated from the Interior Forces Military Academy, joining the KGB in 1988.
While his early career was in espionage, by 1991 he had made a name for himself in the organised crime and anti-terror divisions. He also worked in the central apparatus, leading co-operation between the KGB, by then renamed the FSB, and the Moscow organised crime police squad. In 1997 he joined one of the FSBs most secret departments, specialising in the pursuit of criminal organisations, and became its deputy head.
This exemplary career came to an abrupt end on November 18, 1998, when, in a press conference, he accused his FSB superiors of extortion, corruption and illegal assassinations. The accusations were detailed and seemed credible. He was suspended and in March 1999 arrested and held in isolation in the infamous KGB Lefortovo prison.
He was tried and acquitted in November 1999, but immediately rearrested. In 2000 charges were dropped after he promised to stay in Moscow. He and his family lived under intense surveillance and when they heard that further charges were being prepared, they fled. They flew to Turkey and from there to London.
Tried in absentia and sentenced to nine years in prison, Litvinenko found work in Britain as a postman, while his wife taught ballroom dancing. He continued his campaign against his former employers in interviews and books, and contributed anti-Russian material to a Chechen website. At the time of his death he was investigating the murder of the journalist Anna Politkovskaya.
He is survived by his wife Marina and his two children.
Alexander Litvinenko, former officer of the Russian secret service, was born on December 4, 1962. He died on November 23, 2006, aged 43
Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian security agent fighting for his life in a UK hospital after allegedly being poisoned, has been a fierce critic of Vladimir Putin since before he became president in 2000.
Mr Litvinenko is thought to have been close to journalist Anna Politkovskaya, another opponent of the Kremlin who was shot dead last month, and said recently he was investigating her murder. It was after being handed documents apparently relating to the case that he was taken ill more than two weeks ago.
But he is perhaps best known for a book in which he alleges that agents co-ordinated the 1999 apartment block bombings in Russia that killed more than 300 people. He now appears to have fallen victim to the kind of plots which he wrote about.
Mr Litvinenko, 43, first became a security agent under the Soviet-era KGB, rising to the rank of lieutenant-colonel in its later incarnations.
He is reported to have fallen out with Vladimir Putin, then head of the security service, in the late 1990s, after failing in attempts to crack down on corruption within the organisation. In 1998, he first came to prominence by exposing an alleged plot to assassinate the then powerful tycoon Boris Berezovsky, who himself now lives in self-imposed exile in the UK. He was subsequently arrested on charges of abusing his office and spent nine months in a remand centre before being acquitted.
In 1999 he wrote Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within, in which he accused the current Russian security service, the FSB, of carrying out several apartment house bombings in 1999 that killed more than 300 people. The attacks, which Moscow blamed on Chechen rebels, helped swing public opinion behind Russia's second war in the breakaway republic.
Complaining of persecution, in 2000 Mr Litvinenko fled to the UK where he sought, and was granted, asylum. But after settling in an unnamed London suburb, the former spy continued to behave as if on the run, constantly changing his contact details. The Times newspaper reported that over the summer someone tried to push a pram loaded with petrol bombs at his front door. Appearing alongside high-profile opponents of President Putin, he has continued to make allegations about his former bosses. Perhaps most notably, he alleged that al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB in Dagestan in the years before 9/11.
What I find strange is that in the other article posted, there is a quote which said just prior to the accident, i.e., bomb(s) going off, the driver of the train applied the brakes. Maybe that’s just coincidental, I don’t know, but it got my attention, i.e., why did the writer put that in there? Who did he get that info from, the train operator himself? What significance, if any, does it have?
* Sergey Bogdanovsky, correspondent of TV Ostankino, killed in Moscow
* Rory Peck, ARD Germany operator, killed in Moscow on 3 October
* Ivan Scopan, TF-1 France operator, killed in Moscow on 3 October
* Igor Belozerov, 4th Channel Ostankino, killed in Moscow on 3 October
* Sergey Krasilnikov, editor of TV Ostankino, killed in Moscow on 3 October
* Vladimir Drobyshev, People and nature journal, killed in Moscow on 3 October
* Alexander Sidelnikov, freelance journalist from Saint Petersburg, killed in Moscow on 4 October
* Alexander Smirnov, Yoshkar-Ola based Youth Courier newspaper, killed in Moscow on 4 October
* Elena Tkacheva, proof-reader for Kuban Courier newspaper, killed in Krasnodar on 29 November as a result of a bomb exploding in the newspapers building
* Marina Iskanderova, journalist of a local TV station, murdered in her apartment in Nadym in December
* Dmitry Krikoryants, correspondent for Express Chronicle journal, murdered in his own apartment in Chechnya on 14 or 15 April.
* Vladislav Listyev, head of the ORT TV Channel, killed in Moscow on March 1;
* Vladimir Yatsina, February 20, 2000. A correspondent for ITAR-TASS, he was kidnapped and later killed by a group of Wahhabis in Chechnya 
* Aleksandr Yefremov, May 12, 2000, Chechnya. A photojournalist of the western Siberian newspaper Nashe Vremya was killed in Chechnya when rebels blew up a military jeep in which he was riding. On previous assignments, Yefremov had won acclaim for his news photographs from the war-torn region.
* Igor Domnikov, from Novaya Gazeta, July 16, 2000, Moscow. Unknown assassin hit him repeatedly on the head with a hammer in the entryway of his apartment building in Moscow. The killer was never found. It is believed that the assailant mistook Domnikov for a Novaya Gazeta reporter Oleg Sultanov who received threats from the FSB for his reporting on corruption in the Russian oil industry.
* Sergey Novikov, Radio Vesna, July 26, 2000, Smolensk. He was shot and killed in the stairwell of his apartment building. He often criticized the government of Smolensk Region.
* Iskandar Khatloni, Radio Free Europe, September 21, 2000, Moscow. He was killed at night with axe in his Moscow apartment by an unknown assailant. The motive of the murder is unknown, but Khatloni work on stories about the human-rights abuses in Chechnya.
* Sergey Ivanov, Lada-TV, October 3, 2000, Togliatti. He was shot five times in the head and chest in front of his apartment building. He was director of Lada-TV, the largest independent television company in Togliatti, which was an important player on the local political scene.
* Adam Tepsurgayev, Reuters, November 21, 2000, Chechnya. A Chechen cameraman, he was shot at a neighbors house in the village of Alkhan-Kala. He produced most of Reuters footage from Chechnya in 2000, including shots of Chechen rebel Shamil Basayev having his foot amputated.
* Eduard Markevich, 29, editor and publisher of local newspaper Novy Reft in Sverdlovsk Region, was found dead (shot in the back) on September 18. He often criticized local officials and had received threatening telephone phone calls prior to the murder. 
* Natalia Skryl, the Nashe Vremya newspaper, Taganrog town;
* Konstantin Pogodin, the Novoye Delo newspaper, Nizhni Novgorod city;
* Valeri Batuev, Moscow News newspaper, Moscow;
* Sergei Kalinovski, the Moskovskiy Komsomolets, Smolensk;
* Vitali Sakhn-Valda, photojournalist, Kursk town;
* Leonid Shevchenko, the Pervoye Chteniye newspaper, Volgograd;
* Valeri Ivanov, the chief editor for the Tolyattinskoye Obozrenie newspaper, the Samara region;
* Sergei Zhabin,the press service of the governor of the Moscow region;
* Nikolai Vasiliev, Cheboksary city, Chuvashia;
* Leonid Kuznetsov, the Mescherskaya Nov newspaper, the Ryazan region;
* Paavo Voutilainen, a former main editor of the Kareliya magazine, Kareliya;
* Roddy Scott, the Frontline-TV TV Company, from Great Britain.
* Alexandr Plotnikov, the Gostiny Dvor newspaper, Tyumen city;
* Oleg Sedinko, the founder of the Novaya Volna TV and Radio Company, Vladivostok city;
* Nikolai Razmolodin, the general director of the Europroject TV and Radio Company, Ulyanovsk town;
* Igor Salikov, the chief of the Department of information safety of the Moskovskiy Komsomolets newspaper in Penza;
* Leonid Plotnikov, the publishing house Periodicals of the Mari-El, Yoshkar-Ola.
* Aleksei Sidorov, Tolyatinskoye Obozreniye, October 9, 2003, Togliatti. He was the second editor-in-chief of local newspaper, Tolyatinskoye Obozreniye to be shot to death. His predecessor, Valery Ivanov, was shot in April 2002. The newspaper was known for reporting on organized crime and corruption in the industrial city of Togliatti.
* Yuri Shchekochikhin, Novaya Gazeta, July 3, 2003, Moscow. Deputy editor of the Novaya Gazeta, he died just a few days before his scheduled trip to USA to discuss the results of his journalist investigation with FBI officials. He investigated Three Whales Corruption Scandal that involved high-ranking FSB officials. Shchekochikhin died from an acute allergic reaction. There are many speculations about cause of his death.
* Dmitry Shvets, TV-21 Northwestern Broadcasting, April 18, 2003, Murmansk. He was deputy director of the independent television station TV-21 Northwestern Broadcasting. He was shot dead outside his station offices. Shvets colleagues said their station had received multiple threats for its reporting on influential local politicians.
* Yefim Sukhanov, ATK-Media, Archangelsk;
* Farit Urazbayev, cameraman, Vladivostok TV/Radio Company, city of Vladivostok;
* Adlan Khassanov, Reuters reporter, killed in Grozny;
* Shangysh Mondush, correspondent for newspaper Khemchiktin Syldyzy, Tuva Republic;
* Paul Klebnikov, editor of Russian version of Forbes magazine, Moscow;
* Payl Peloyan, editor of Armyansky Pereulok magazine, Moscow;
* Zoya Ivanova, BGTRK broadcaster, Republic of Buryatia;
* Vladimir Pritchin, editor-in-chief of North Baikal TV/Radio Company, Republic of Buryatia;
* Ian Travinsky, Saint Petersburg, killed in Irkutsk;
* Pavel Makeyev, reporter for TNT-Pulse Company, Rostov-on-Don;
* Magomedzaghid Varisov, Makhachkala;
* Alexander Pitersky, Baltika Radio reporter, Saint Petersburg;
* Vladimir Pashutin, newspaper Smolensky Literator, Smolensk;
* Tamirlan Kazikhanov, press service head, Anti-Terrorist Center of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairss Main Department for the Southern Federal District, Nalchik;
* Kira Lezhneva, reporter, newspaper Kamensky Worker, Sverdlovsk Region.
* Vadim Kuznetsov, editor-in-chief of journal World and home. Saint Petersburg, killed in Saint Petersburg
* Vaghif Kochetkov, newspaper Trud (Labor), killed in Tula
* Ilya Zimin, worked for NTV Russia television channel, killed in Moscow by an acquaintance
* Vyacheslav Akatov, special reporter, Business Moscow TV show, killed in Moscow Region
* Anton Kretenchuk, cameraman, 38th TV Channel, killed in Rostov-on-Don
* Yevgeny Gerasimenko, newspaper Saratovsky Rasklad, Saratov
* Vlad Kidanov, freelance journalist, Cheboksary
* Alexander Petrov, editor-in-chief, Right for Choice magazine, killed near Omsk - in Altai Republic
* Vyacheslav Plotnikov, reporter, 41st TV Channel, Voronezh
* Anna Politkovskaya, observer, newspaper Novaya Gazeta, Moscow, shot in her apartment buildings elevator;
* Anatoly Voronin, business chief of ITAR-TASS; Moscow, stabbed to death in his home
* Konstantin Brovko, journalist of TV company Gubernia, killed in Khabarovsk
* Ivan Safronov, Military columninst of newspaper Kommersant. Died in Moscow on March 2 - cause of death disputed.
* Ilyas Shurpayev, Dagestani journalist responsible for news coverage of Northern Caucasus on Channel One, was strangled with a belt by the robbers in Moscow.
* Gaji Abashilov, chief of Dagestan outlet of VGTRK, shot in his car.
* Magomed Yevloyev, owner of Ingushetiya.ru, shot while in custody of Ingush police officers..
* Abdulla Alishayev, Dagestani journalist fatally wounded by unknown assailants.
* Anastasia Baburova (Novaya Gazeta). She was with human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov, who reportedly was the target of the assasin.
* Yevgeny Lukinov, a Channel One reporter died in Tskhinvali, South Ossetia on 30 May, 2009. The journalist died on Saturday morning in a private house in Tskhinvali, Channel One said. According to a spokeswoman the death was an accident.
[CNN] Encore Presentation - Czar Putin
Aired December 9, 2007
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The whole world watched as the Soviet Union sprinted from communism to freedom and the free markets.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Moscow is a boomtown. If you want to earn a million, you can do it.
AMANPOUR (voice-over): Communism has given way to capitalism on a grand scale. But Russia's newfound wealth conceals a dark truth. Its leader, Vladimir Putin has near absolute power.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In my opinion, Vladimir Putin is a typical control freak.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell your leaders that this regime is criminal. It is a police state.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For Putin, it is about power. For people that surround Putin, it is about money.
AMANPOUR: And the Russian people are letting him have his way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The masses want a czar. And this is no joke.
AMANPOUR: Join us as we peel back the layers of Vladimir Putin's Russia.
Welcome to democracy, Russia style.
Last Living Beslan School Attacker Sentenced to Life in Prison
May 28, 2006
VLADIKAVKAZ, Russia AP
A southern Russian court on Friday sentenced the sole surviving Beslan school attacker to life in prison, capping a yearlong trial that survivors and victims' relatives say has left the most essential questions about the tragedy unanswered.
They demand to know just who bore the most responsibility: Nur-Pashi Kulayev and his 31 fellow militants, or the officials whose negligence or even alleged complicity allowed them to seize hundreds of children and parents on the first day of school in September 2004.
"I did not go to court to become convinced of Kulayev's guilt, but to reconstruct all the circumstances of the terrorist attack and find the truth," said Aneta Gadiyeva, whose daughter was killed. "But I did not learn anything new and did not get any answers." ..."
I don’t doubt that the modern-day KGB is capable of committing acts of terror... but then again, so are the Islamic enemies of Russia.
Of the two conclusion-jumping generalities...
1) If it’s terrorism, it must be the KGB
2) If it’s terrorism, it must be Muslims
...I’m still inclined to go with #2, if I’m forced to jump to a conclusion at all, that is. Which I’m not.
I think we have to wait and see, with the knowledge that we’ll quite possibly never know the truth.
[will we ever learn the truth]
Gee. Thanks for editorial comment.
The report says that a bomb may have been placed on the tracks. Perhaps he saw it and tried to stop.
Gee. Thanks for editorial comment.
Are you one of FR's KGB Putin admirers? We seem to have a few here.
No. I am criticizing you.
Why would you criticize me for posing that very legitimate question?
Are you one of FR's KGB Putin admirers?That's truly an idiotic statement, ETL.
Let's see, you posted a news story about a train in Russia going off the tracks, with preliminary indications that a bomb caused the derailment and loss of life.
You used that story as a place to do a freaking data-dump of mega proportions which shows that you're obviously all pre-wired with the data and with the predilection to dump it. (Which is fine. I wasn't even going to mention it until you called a fellow freeper a "Putin admirer".)
Then when someone calls you on what is OBVIOUSLY an editorial comment (which is no big deal, my post was an editorial comment also) you slam the poster with the calumny that he's a "Putin admirer" and not only that but that there are a "few" here in FR.
The train isn't the only thing that's gone off the rails here, ETL. Not by a long shot.
And for what it's worth I'm going to close with my OPINION:
If there was a bomb, then it was placed there by a stinking muzzie. (Does that make me a "Putin admirer" too?)
please see my previous post
i meant to copy you on it
Terrorists need to wake up. China & Russia are the real enemy of Islam. The reason we are in the Muslim region is because the Russians and Chinese support thugs like Saddam and Achmadinejab who are threats to the region.
Get Russia and China to stop supporting the thugs causing disturbances in the region and there is no reason for the US to even be there.
Now I just have to convince the terrorists I am right...
That's truly an idiotic statement, ETL.
No it isn't (it was a question, btw). I asked a perfectly legitimate question at the top. The KGB (now FSB) have a long history of committing terrorist attacks and murder. For anyone to immediately come to Putin's defense and criticize me for even asking 'will we ever learn the truth' is suspicious to me. I'm assuming this person actually knows something about how Russia and the KGB/FSB operate. Perhaps they are simply naive and don't know. In that case, I apologize.
That's truly an idiotic statement, ETL.
FYI: there are absolutely people here (a few as I said), who admire Putin, at least one of which is a die-hard Putin supporter. He doesn't seem to post much anymore. But when he did it was always pro-Putin, pro-Russia propaganda/BS from notoriously pro-Putin websites.
Chechen terrorists to blame for Russian train crash
Your point could have been made simply with the fact that the Chechens haven’t laid claim to this one as of yet....
If the Chechens did it as the lead headline suggests, it would/will be reported on
The source of your information is RT. Of course they are going to come down on the side of KGB Putin and company.
“RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a globally broadcast English-language news channel from Russia, and the first all-digital Russian TV network, sponsored by the state owned Russian news agency RIA Novosti.”
By Konstantin Preobrazhensky
Americans generally believe that Russia is afraid of Islamic terrorism as much as the U.S.A. They are reminded of the war in Chechnya, the hostage crisis at the Beslan School in 2004 and at the Moscow Theater in 2002, and of the apartment house blasts in Moscow in 1999, where over 200 people were killed. It is clear that Russians are also targets of terrorism today.
But in all these events, the participation of the FSB, Federal Security Service, inheritor to the KGB, is also clear. Their involvement in the Moscow blasts has been proven by lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin, a former FSB Colonel. For this he was illegally imprisoned, and is now suffering torture and deprivation of medical assistance, from which he is not likely to survive.
A key distinction between Russian and American attitudes towards Islamic terrorism is that while for America terrorism is largely seen as an exterior menace, Russia uses terrorism as an object as a tool of the state for manipulation in and outside the home country. Islamic terrorism is only part of the world of terrorism. Long before Islamic terrorism became a global threat, the KGB had used terrorism to facilitate the victory of world Communism.
This leads to the logical connection between Russian and Islamic terrorism. The late Alexander Litvinenko, poisoned in London in November, 2006, told me that his former FSB colleagues had trained famous Al-Qaeda terrorists Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Juma Namangoniy during the 1980s and 1990s. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, one of the world's most wanted terrorists, has been responsible for the murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States. Before his death, Juma Namangoniy (Jumabai Hojiyev), a native of Soviet Uzbekistan, was a right-hand man of Osama bin Laden in charge of the Taliban's northern front in Afghanistan.
In 1996, Alexander Litvinenko was responsible for securing the secrecy of Al-Zawahiri's arrival in Russia, who was trained by FSB instructors in Dagestan, Northern Caucasus, in 1996-1997.
At that time, Litvinenko was the Head of the Subdivision for Internationally Wanted Terrorists of the First Department of the Operative-Inquiry Directorate of the FSB Anti-Terrorist Department. He was ordered to undertake the delicate mission of securing Al-Zawahiri from unintentional disclosure by the Russian police. Though Al-Zawahiri had been brought to Russia by the FSB using a false passport, it was still possible for the police to learn about his arrival and report to Moscow for verification. Such a process could disclose Al-Zawahiri as an FSB collaborator.
In order to prevent this, Litvinenko visited a group of the highly placed police officers to notify them in advance. "If you get information about some suspicious Arabs arriving in the Caucasus, please report it to me before informing your leadership", he told them.
Juma Namangoniy was once a student of the Saboteur Training Center of the First Chief Directorate of the KGB in 1989-91. The school was notorious for the international terrorists who matriculated from it. It now belongs to the FSB, and since only KGB staff officers were allowed to study there, Juma Namangoniy's presence clearly suggests that he was much more than a civil collaborator.
Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, five months before the attack. But Iraqi intelligence was just a client of Russia's intelligence service. It brings a new understanding to the fact that President Putin was the first foreign President to call President Bush on 9/11. One may conjecture that he knew in advance what was to happen.
Muslim Name and Communist Heart
Tartars have always been patriotic to Russia. Their independent kingdom was conquered by Russia in the 16th century, but their gentry were allowed to join the Russian upper class and enjoy all its privileges. Even today, many Russian families of noble origin have Tartar origins. Russia has a half-millennium of experience in turning conquered Muslim nations into obedient citizens by bribing their elite.
There are many Soviet Muslims, therefore, who seem to face no conflict of spirit. One can be a Muslim in name only, whose heart belongs to Communism. There have been a lot of such people among Russian Muslims, especially among the Tartars. The Soviet Union has typically preferred to appoint them as ambassadors to Muslim countries. Their Muslim names give them a pass to the local society, but their Communist hearts order them to serve world Communism and not the world of Islam.
In the Soviet period, the highest leadership of the Muslim republics like Uzbekistan were unofficially allowed to practice Islam under the guise of folk rites, even though their Russian colleagues were severely reprimanded for participating in such Christian "rites" as Christmas or Easter. Unlike today, Soviet cartoonists were able to mock Islam as they mocked all other religions and it didn't bring any special reaction.
Muslims of the Uzbek and other Central Asian republics' elite joined the KGB intelligence in order to spy on fellow Muslim countries. In the KGB, I have met a lot of such quasi-Muslim officers.
Russia Grows Muslim
Putin continues the traditional Russian policy of giving privileges to the Muslim elite. Today's Russian Minister of Healthcare, Mikhail Zurabov, is a Chechen. His political agenda includes the total destruction of the Russian healthcare system, looking like revenge for the war in Chechnya. Putin shows no concern over that.
Strategically Russia is surrendering to the Muslim world. The Russian population is declining rapidly, being undermined by 70 years of Communist experiment and the cold indifference of post-communist rulers. Annually, Russia is losing 900 thousand people who are being replaced by Muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Islam is now the second-largest religion in Russia, where it may total up to 28 million adherents. Because of this, Russia was able to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference in 2003.
Russia's great qualitative population change represents both a departure from the past and a strengthening link with it. The synergies between the history of Russia's national policies of terrorism and the radical Islamic terrorism that it is spreading around the world are natural partners that may severely impact on America's own future.
Konstantin Preobrazhensky, a former Lt. Colonel in the KGB who defected to the United States in 1993, is an intelligence expert and specialist on Japan, about which he has written six books. His newest book Russian-American, A New KGB Asset will be published in late 2007. This article was first published by Gerard Group International, Intel Analyses, 31 August 2007.
OTOH, the Chechyans are still around....
The point being here is; if the Chechens did it, they will proudly take responsibility for it...
They haven’t been shy about laying claim to their acts of terror.
It is common knowledge that RT favors the Russia line...
It’s a wait and see....
FYI: there are absolutely people here (a few as I said), who admire Putin, at least one of which is a die-hard Putin supporter. He doesn't seem to post much anymore. But when he did it was always pro-Putin, pro-Russia propaganda/BS from notoriously pro-Putin websites.By your own admission it's a "few" and if you read between the lines of your own post it's ONE GUY who DOESN'T EVEN POST MUCH ANYMORE.
And on the strength of that, you accuse verity of being a "Putin admirer", which isn't much different than being a Stalin admirer, which really sucks. You owe verity an apology.
And for the record, if you tally up all the terrorist acts on planet earth since 1945 (just to pick an arbitrary point in time), I think you will find that the VAST majority of them are committed by Muslims.
Which might mean that in the case of this train you owe PUTIN an apology.
Although your question is legitimate, it should be in the discussion segment.
your russophobia and hatred towards Putin is driving you insane
You are either stupid and/or ignorant beyond belief or another Putin ass kisser.
My "view" was simply asking 'will we ever know the truth about who actually did it'. And I don't think we ever will get the truth from the Russian press. The ones that aren't controlled by KGB Putin are probably too afraid to speak out. As far as adding personal comments to a title, I'd say about 20% of the articles here have comments attached.
A second explosive device partially detonated Saturday during the clear-up operation near the disaster site, according to the head of Russian Railways, Vladimir Yakunin.
Thanks. Didn’t see it either. Then again I just got back home not too long ago and haven’t had time yet to check the latest news. In any case, when it comes to Russia, one must always be suspicious. They well may be staging many of these terror attacks in order to justify taking brutal actions at some later point. If Russia were really targets of islamic/jihadi terrorists, they wouldn’t be so chummy with Iran, a major supporter of islamic terrorism.
Your responses are so filled with idiocy and illogic that it’s difficult to reply. First of all, I DID apology to ‘verity’ for asking him if he was a Putin admirer. I didn’t realize at first that he didn’t know very much about the former KGB official. And, again, I didn’t ‘accuse’ him of being a Putin admirer, I only asked. It was either that or he just didn’t understand how Putin and the KGB/FSB operate.
Second, when I used the word “few” to describe some FRers, I was clearly referring to those here who *admire* Putin, not necessarily support him, although enough here do seem to stand with him on some things, apparently not having a clue that Putin himself is a terrorist and likely has operatives in islamic terror groups like al-qaeda. Or that he was supplying arms to Saddam Hussein...while we were at war with Iraq!
Third, you yourself compare Putin to Stalin, yet you say I owe Putin an apology for suspecting he might be involved in an act of terror?
Your overly emotional, even angry response to my simply asking if KGB Putin might have some involvement in this is quite telling about you. I think I’ll go over some of your previous posts on FR. I see that you have absolutely nothing to contribute on your FR home page, despite your being a member for 8 years.
What is that a threat, ETL? Too bad you can’t threaten me to my face. I’d love the opportunity.
I think it was the Russian government or a Muslim who placed the bomb. However, regardless of who put it there, the Russian/Neo-Soviets are going to blame Georgia for the attack.
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