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Prosecuting American 'War Crimes'
Wall Street Journal ^ | 11/27/2009 | Daniel Schwammenthal

Posted on 11/28/2009 6:00:26 AM PST by Prospero

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "great regret" in August that the U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC). This has fueled speculation that the Obama administration may reverse another Bush policy and sign up for what could lead to the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague.

The ICC's chief prosecutor, though, has no intention of waiting for Washington to submit to the court's authority. Luis Moreno Ocampo says he already has jurisdiction—at least with respect to Afghanistan.

Because Kabul in 2003 ratified the Rome Statute—the ICC's founding treaty—all soldiers on Afghan territory, even those from nontreaty countries, fall under the ICC's oversight, Mr. Ocampo told me. And the chief prosecutor says he is already conducting a "preliminary examination" into whether NATO troops, including American soldiers, fighting the Taliban may have to be put in the dock.

"We have to check if crimes against humanity, war crimes or genocide have been committed in Afghanistan," Mr. Ocampo told me. "There are serious allegations against the Taliban and al Qaeda and serious allegations about warlords, even against some who are connected with members of the government." Taking up his inquiry of Allied soldiers, he added, "there are different reports about problems with bombings and there are also allegations about torture."

It was clear who the targets of these particular inquiries are but the chief prosecutor shied away from spelling it out.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clintong; cwiiping; globalism; hague; hitlery; islamobama; jurisdiction; obamabinbiden; obamao; sodomhusseinobama; torture
... at least for our "torture" and other "war crimes" in Afghanistan. That we have never ratified to Rome Treaty or agreed to submit to the ICC's authority is irrelevant, according to the chief prosecutor. - Andy McCarty (NRO)
1 posted on 11/28/2009 6:00:28 AM PST by Prospero
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To: Prospero

The ICC is one of those BS global bodies that won’t go after REAL criminals, only Westerners who have committed imaginary crimes against the Third World.


2 posted on 11/28/2009 6:05:08 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Prospero

Dear Mister Ocampo—you and what army?


3 posted on 11/28/2009 6:06:03 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Prospero

Bring the troops home. I don’t trust them in the hands of our Dear Leader, who will certainly sell some of them down the river to the ICC.


4 posted on 11/28/2009 6:06:34 AM PST by samtheman
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To: OCCASparky

Impeachment.


5 posted on 11/28/2009 6:09:46 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Prospero

One troop turned over to the ICC for prosecution should be final cause for every good American to exit this army,legally but reapidly, at the earliest opportunity, as it will demonstrate they have been impressed into serving a global authority, not the people and Constitution of the United States.

No one swears an oath of enlistment to the UN or the ICC.


6 posted on 11/28/2009 6:14:00 AM PST by silverleaf (Ours is the only country on earth with a ventriloquist dummy for President)
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To: samtheman

I agree. Our troops need not be part of the international socialist agenda. Bring them home now. Let the World court decide how to prosecute the terrorists, not the good guys fighting them.


7 posted on 11/28/2009 6:16:30 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: samtheman

That might very well be the ONLY reason he is sending more troops to Afghanistan.


8 posted on 11/28/2009 6:19:35 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Prospero

We dont need to belong to the Hague, we prosecute our own Seals.

This country is going to hell in a handbasket.


9 posted on 11/28/2009 6:21:19 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Prospero

I hate to say this but maybe it’s a good thing the Army won’t take my youngest son. I’d hate for him to be prosecuted for serving his country.

Now all I have to do is hope my oldest boy who is in, doesn’t do anything “wrong”.


10 posted on 11/28/2009 6:47:06 AM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Prospero

THe USA needs to seriously DOWNGRADE relations with Western Europe. Get us out of NATO and replace it with a few bilateral security agreements.

Europe is on its way down, and I fear they will take the USA with it.


11 posted on 11/28/2009 6:58:17 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Prospero
How bad a decision that would be, defies comprehension. It will never please our critics, it will be used by our enemies, and demoralize our troops.
12 posted on 11/28/2009 7:04:49 AM PST by dog breath
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To: Prospero; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ArmedSkeptic; ...
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "great regret" in August that the U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC). This has fueled speculation that the Obama administration may reverse another Bush policy and sign up for what could lead to the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague.

CW2 Ping


13 posted on 11/28/2009 7:09:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Impeachment.

Nice thought, but we'll have to wait a little while. After the November elections of 2010, I have a hunch the House will look a lot different.

14 posted on 11/28/2009 7:14:06 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: rbg81
...the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague...

Let the extortion begin.

15 posted on 11/28/2009 7:16:13 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Who is Hugh Series?)
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To: Prospero

The result will be the establishment of a People’s Court that will try Hillary, Obama et al for crimes against the republic.


16 posted on 11/28/2009 7:16:52 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: Travis McGee
where...

Where will we draw the line?

When will we say enough??

What will finally provoke spontaneous direction action???

17 posted on 11/28/2009 7:26:07 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: rbg81

Ex-Marine John Murtha will set on the panel of judges of this worthless group.


18 posted on 11/28/2009 7:28:33 AM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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choose sides. I choose our guys.


19 posted on 11/28/2009 8:26:37 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots
choose sides. I choose our guys

Even the Obama one-world zealots can't be stupid enough to think that millions of Americas will sit by quietly as our soldiers are shipped off the The Hague to face show trial for political crimes. My advice to the people of the Neatherlands would be to recall all diplomatic personal before attempting such a stunt. Should you decide to put our soldiers on trial for any reason in your country, it would be like painting a giant "Kick Me" sign on your embassy.

20 posted on 11/28/2009 9:05:21 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: VRW Conspirator

Does anyone doubt that some of the first Americans to be investigated will be Bush and Cheney?

This little nugget’s being revealed right now has a purpose. It is to shift the news cycle away from Healthcare, where conservatives are hounding the Administration and Congress, and Afghanistan where the commies are hounding their friends in the administration and onto prosecuting Americans for war crimes. This will send a tingle down leftist legs again and distract some of the conservatives.


21 posted on 11/28/2009 9:13:33 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: Travis McGee

You know that they are. I know that they are. So does anyone else with the intelligence to breathe.


22 posted on 11/28/2009 9:24:15 AM PST by sport
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To: rbg81

“only Westerners who have committed imaginary crimes against the Third World.”

Actually - only conservative or non-leftist US politicians. I didn’t notice Castro or Chavez on their to do list.


23 posted on 11/28/2009 2:38:38 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: Constitutional Patriot

Castro and Chavez are Third World types & therefore exempt.


24 posted on 11/28/2009 2:51:10 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Prospero

BTTT.


25 posted on 11/28/2009 8:23:48 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: swmobuffalo

I’ve already talked my nephew out of going into the Rangers. He will be the 1st in our family line to NOT serve in the USARMY, and I’m glad that he has recognized the need to not serve under a CIC that’s spiteful of our military. I simply showed him the quote by barry sorento in which he non-chalantly suggested that our soldiers who’ve sacrificed life and limb for our country to pay for their own heath insurance after they had been wounded on the field of battle in defence of the USA.

The kenyan is rabid with hatred for real Americans.

Out.


26 posted on 11/29/2009 6:51:53 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: bayouranger

I only wish it had been a matter of talking him out of it.

Seems with the Army, one juvenile strike and you’re out.


27 posted on 11/30/2009 6:19:52 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Prospero

Actually some of these precedents are great...it will open up a plethora of things Obama can be charged with.


28 posted on 11/30/2009 6:21:30 PM PST by surfer
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