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Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation
Telegraph UK ^ | 28 Nov 2009 | Christopher Booker

Posted on 11/28/2009 10:50:23 AM PST by ricks_place

Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed to get away with a whitewash regarding statistics for global warming, says Christopher Booker

A week after my colleague James Delingpole, on his Telegraph blog, coined the term "Climategate" to describe the scandal revealed by the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, Google was showing that the word now appears across the internet more than nine million times. But in all these acres of electronic coverage, one hugely relevant point about these thousands of documents has largely been missed.

The reason why even the Guardian's George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports...

Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head...

Given star billing by the IPCC, not least for the way it appeared to eliminate the long-accepted Mediaeval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today...

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: booker; christopherbooker; climate; climategate; cru; environment; globalwarming; hadleycru; junkscience
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Dr. Jones, we have a problem. You are a fraud!
1 posted on 11/28/2009 10:50:24 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

They’re gonna do a Darwin on us....”Scientific Theory”


2 posted on 11/28/2009 10:52:26 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ricks_place

Has our Lamestream Media reported this yet?


3 posted on 11/28/2009 10:56:48 AM PST by Ballygrl
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To: ricks_place

You made me have to hear “Hide the Decline” one more time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk


4 posted on 11/28/2009 10:57:31 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Ballygrl

it is the most despicable turn of science in history.


5 posted on 11/28/2009 10:57:54 AM PST by gibtx2 (End Tenure)
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To: ricks_place

“Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation”

Which begs the question of the lsm: —Is it still a fraud if no one hears about it? chirp, chirp.


6 posted on 11/28/2009 10:58:28 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: bigbob

“Hide the Decline” lol


7 posted on 11/28/2009 10:58:34 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place
 Climate Change
8 posted on 11/28/2009 10:59:16 AM PST by Tawiskaro
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To: Tawiskaro

Man, that’s good. Where’s it from?


9 posted on 11/28/2009 11:02:21 AM PST by manic4organic (Obama shot hoops, America lost troops.)
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To: Tawiskaro

Wow , there really is a Cardiff giant.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/permalink/the_cardiff_giant/


10 posted on 11/28/2009 11:03:00 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: ricks_place
I have been reading through the HARRY_READ_ME file - some gems Here he discovers that the data bases are compromised to the point they have no idea where the stations are located. So the solution is to make up WMO codes, or when there is not a match for a station just turn it into a new station. The result in his words is "In other words, what CRU usually do. It will allow bad databases to pass unnoticed, and good databases to become bad, but I really don't think people care enough to fix 'em, and it's the main reason the project is nearly a year late." You can't imagine what this has cost me - to actually allow the operator to assign false WMO codes!! But what else is there in such situations? Especially when dealing with a 'Master' database of dubious provenance (which, er, they all are and always will be). False codes will be obtained by multiplying the legitimate code (5 digits) by 100, then adding 1 at a time until a number is found with no matches in the database. THIS IS NOT PERFECT but as there is no central repository for WMO codes - especially made-up ones - we'll have to chance duplicating one that's present in one of the other databases. In any case, anyone comparing WMO codes between databases - something I've studiously avoided doing except for tmin/tmax where I had to - will be treating the false codes with suspicion anyway. Hopefully. Of course, option 3 cannot be offered for CLIMAT bulletins, there being no metadata with which to form a new station. This still meant an awful lot of encounters with naughty Master stations, when really I suspect nobody else gives a hoot about. So with a somewhat cynical shrug, I added the nuclear option - to match every WMO possible, and turn the rest into new stations (er, CLIMAT excepted). In other words, what CRU usually do. It will allow bad databases to pass unnoticed, and good databases to become bad, but I really don't think people care enough to fix 'em, and it's the main reason the project is nearly a year late. And there are STILL WMO code problems!!! Let's try again with the issue. Let's look at the first station in most of the databases, JAN MAYEN. Here it is in various recent databases: ----------------------------------------------------------- In comes the updater. WELCOME TO THE DATABASE UPDATER Before we get started, an important question: If you are merging an update - CLIMAT, MCDW, Australian - do you want the quick and dirty approach? This will blindly match on WMO codes alone, ignoring data/metadata checks, and making any unmatched updates into new stations (metadata permitting)? Enter 'B' for blind merging, or : B Please enter the Master Database name: wet.0710041559.dtb Please enter the Update Database name: rdy.0709101706.dtb ---------------------------------------------------------- More data base corruption It looks like a consistent problem: all the decadal VAp and WET files should be discarded, and only the 'full run' 1901-2002 files used. But my theory that the error occurred when the 1901-2002 files were converted to decadal doesn't sound true now, because why would the precision levels change? Surely, if the decadal files are derived from the 1901-2002 files, it's just a case of copying data across? Let's look at *just* 1981, to try and assess this issue: FULL 1901-2002 FILE VAP: 1981 0 322 82 0 324 84 0 320 90 0 335 99 0 352 111 0 356 130 0 349 144 0 344 143 0 360 124 0 323 105 0 320 90 0 321 83 0 360 107 WET: 1981 0 3100 1018 0 2800 919 0 3100 980 0 3000 911 0 3100 945 0 3000 1010 0 3100 1051 0 3100 1040 0 3000 981 0 3100 1017 0 3000 1021 0 3100 1003 0 3100 992 DECADAL 1981-1990 FILE VAP: 1981 0 310 102 0 280 92 0 310 98 0 300 91 0 310 95 0 300 101 0 310 105 0 310 104 0 300 98 0 310 102 0 300 102 0 310 100 0 310 99 WET: 1981 0 3220 819 0 3240 842 0 3200 903 0 3350 992 0 3520 1113 0 3560 1304 0 3490 1440 0 3440 1427 0 3600 1236 0 3230 1048 0 3200 898 0 3210 833 0 3600 1071 It's evident that the data have not only been swapped - they've been scaled too. Aaaarrrgghhhhhh!!!!!
11 posted on 11/28/2009 11:03:53 AM PST by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: dozer7

Paragraphs, please? Thank you!


12 posted on 11/28/2009 11:06:12 AM PST by thecodont
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To: manic4organic

http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/138965/climate-change.html


13 posted on 11/28/2009 11:07:38 AM PST by Tawiskaro
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To: gibtx2

And most Americans probably don’t even know about it.


14 posted on 11/28/2009 11:09:42 AM PST by Ballygrl
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To: ricks_place

These people have no credibility, none, and if they are not defrocked by their peers then their peers have none. This is exactly how the lamestream media went into the crapper. (I was there for that.)


15 posted on 11/28/2009 11:10:00 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: ricks_place

Climategate is the gift that just keeps on giving.


16 posted on 11/28/2009 11:11:02 AM PST by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: ricks_place
Good article. Climategate is escalating.

UN Blowback: More than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims (FROM: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works) Plain and simple, the global warming--now "climate change," as the globe is actually cooling and makes "global warming" a tougher sell--movement is a farce, a facade for global socialism. To say nothing about possible unintended consequences of wrongheaded human intervention, it's not about the sea levels, it's not about the polar bears (which are doing fine, thank you very much), it's not about any of that -- it's about the transfer of wealth and the destruction of industry. It's the newest avenue for socialism on a global level.

and

Founder of The Weather Channel, John Coleman, concerning Global Warming: It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus. Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, and the Democratic Political Party. . And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam.

Enough for me. .

17 posted on 11/28/2009 11:22:41 AM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: ricks_place

Thanks for posting.


18 posted on 11/28/2009 11:26:16 AM PST by Kay
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To: ricks_place
Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head...

George Herbert Walker Bush was president, the Berlin Wall came down and the gods of science invented global warming.

19 posted on 11/28/2009 11:29:48 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation

I think that the banning DDT at the request of environmental groups and environmentalism in general is a bigger scientific fraud in the effects on billions of people. First they screwed over the Third World. Now they're getting ready to screw over the developed world.
20 posted on 11/28/2009 11:31:33 AM PST by aruanan
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To: ricks_place
my colleague James Delingpole, on his Telegraph blog, coined the term "Climategate"

Your colleague should get 100 lashes with a wet noodle for Egregious Unoriginality.

21 posted on 11/28/2009 11:35:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (Don't worry - the king cobra will save you!)
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To: Art in Idaho

Howard C. Hayden
785 S. McCoy Drive
Pueblo West, CO 81007

October 27, 2009

The Honorable Lisa P. Jackson, Administrator
Environmental Protection Agency
1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, DC 20460

Dear Administrator Jackson:

I write in regard to the Proposed Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings for Greenhouse Gases Under Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act, Proposed Rule, 74 Fed. Reg. 18,886 (Apr. 24, 2009), the so-called “Endangerment Finding.”

It has been often said that the “science is settled” on the issue of CO2 and climate. Let me put this claim to rest with a simple one-letter proof that it is false.

The letter is s, the one that changes model into models. If the science were settled, there would be precisely one model, and it would be in agreement with measurements.

Alternatively, one may ask which one of the twenty-some models settled the science so that all the rest could be discarded along with the research funds that have kept those models alive.

We can take this further. Not a single climate model predicted the current cooling phase. If the science were settled, the model (singular) would have predicted it.

Let me next address the horror story that we are approaching (or have passed) a “tipping point.” Anybody who has worked with amplifiers knows about tipping points. The output “goes to the rail.” Not only that, but it stays there. That’s the official worry coming from the likes of James Hansen (of NASA­GISS) and Al Gore.

But therein lies the proof that we are nowhere near a tipping point. The earth, it seems, has seen times when the CO2 concentration was up to 8,000 ppm, and that did not lead to a tipping point. If it did, we would not be here talking about it. In fact, seen on the long scale, the CO2 concentration in the present cycle of glacials (ca. 200 ppm) and interglacials (ca.. 300-400 ppm) is lower than it has been for the last 300 million years.

Global-warming alarmists tell us that the rising CO2 concentration is (A) anthropogenic and (B) leading to global warming.

(A) CO2 concentration has risen and fallen in the past with no help from mankind. The present rise began in the 1700s, long before humans could have made a meaningful contribution. Alarmists have failed to ask, let alone answer, what the CO2 level would be today if we had never burned any fuels. They simply assume that it would be the “pre-industrial” value.

* The solubility of CO2 in water decreases as water warms, and increases as water cools. The warming of the earth since the Little Ice Age has thus caused the oceans to emit CO2 into the atmosphere.

(B) The first principle of causality is that the cause has to come before the effect. The historical record shows that climate changes precede CO2 changes. How, then, can one conclude that CO2 is responsible for the current warming?

Nobody doubts that CO2 has some greenhouse effect, and nobody doubts that CO2 concentration is increasing. But what would we have to fear if CO2 and temperature actually increased?

* A warmer world is a better world. Look at weather-related death rates in winter and in summer, and the case is overwhelming that warmer is better.

* The higher the CO2 levels, the more vibrant is the biosphere, as numerous experiments in greenhouses have shown. But a quick trip to the museum can make that case in spades. Those huge dinosaurs could not exist anywhere on the earth today because the land is not productive enough. CO2 is plant food, pure and simple.

* CO2 is not pollution by any reasonable definition.

* A warmer world begets more precipitation.

* All computer models predict a smaller temperature gradient between the poles and the equator. Necessarily, this would mean fewer and less violent storms.

* The melting point of ice is 0 ºC in Antarctica, just as it is everywhere else. The highest recorded temperature at the South Pole is -14 ºC, and the lowest is -117 ºC. How, pray, will a putative few degrees of warming melt all the ice and inundate Florida, as is claimed by the warming alarmists?

Consider the change in vocabulary that has occurred. The term global warming has given way to the term climate change, because the former is not supported by the data. The latter term, climate change, admits of all kinds of illogical attributions.. If it warms up, that’s climate change. If it cools down, ditto. Any change whatsoever can be said by alarmists to be proof of climate change.

In a way, we have been here before. Lord Kelvin “proved” that the earth could not possibly be as old as the geologists said. He “proved” it using the conservation of energy. What he didn’t know was that nuclear energy, not gravitation, provides the internal heat of the sun and the earth.

Similarly, the global-warming alarmists have “proved” that CO2 causes global warming.

Except when it doesn’t.

To put it fairly but bluntly, the global-warming alarmists have relied on a pathetic version of science in which computer models take precedence over data, and numerical averages of computer outputs are believed to be able to predict the future climate. It would be a travesty if the EPA were to countenance such nonsense.

Best Regards,

Howard C. Hayden
Professor Emeritus of Physics, UConn


22 posted on 11/28/2009 11:40:21 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: ricks_place
The news State Media, ABC, NBC & CBS refuse to address.

Fox News is reporting it.

CNN & The New York Times reported on the ethics of the stolen email, reporting the data wasn't for the public to view.

23 posted on 11/28/2009 11:41:29 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: ricks_place

The other fraud is Jim Hansen at NASA. He has been hiding and manipulating data, hiding his methods - he is no scientist, just a marxist activist. He controls the second dataset, GISS.


24 posted on 11/28/2009 11:41:47 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: dozer7

25 posted on 11/28/2009 11:43:57 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: ricks_place

It’s the worst POLITICAL scam of our generation.

AWG is driven entirely by criminal design for power and money.


26 posted on 11/28/2009 11:46:26 AM PST by 2111USMC
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Great letter! Thanks for posting. I'll pass it on. .
27 posted on 11/28/2009 11:51:19 AM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: ricks_place
I am really spitting mad up here in Canada. All of our political parties drank the Kool-aid, so there is no alternative at the polls. They are all trooping off to Copenhagen to sign the first damn piece of paper that crosses the conference table, crippling our way of life and what's left of our savings. Disgusting.

Meanwhile, the Canadian TV broadcasters, who marketed the Kool-aid, have instituted a total blackout on the story.

We're helpless in the face of this wicked persecution.

28 posted on 11/28/2009 11:53:18 AM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: Art in Idaho

So Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel, is actually *against* the GW hype? Someone at DSLReports yesterday was saying he is sick of the weather channel hyping up “climate change”. I am wondering if Coleman is out of the picture as far as TWC goes about its business? Retired?

I havent watched it years.


29 posted on 11/28/2009 11:54:19 AM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: CanaGuy

“Meanwhile, the Canadian TV broadcasters, who marketed the Kool-aid, have instituted a total blackout on the story.”

- Not to mention the CRTC trying to block channels from the U.S., as well as mandating week delays for tv shows. Wonder if they will try and block foxnews.


30 posted on 11/28/2009 11:56:22 AM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: aruanan

Interesting that the whole environmental movement really took off rather swiftly after communism fell


31 posted on 11/28/2009 11:58:24 AM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: CanaGuy

Canadians Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick are agents for change we can believe in. Thank You Canada!


32 posted on 11/28/2009 12:08:01 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: Art in Idaho

To read what real scientists have to say, that is, those who are not living off phony grants, and disillusioned left wing head cases

Google “Harvard and MIT debunk global warming”

The whole page is chock full of proof.


33 posted on 11/28/2009 12:18:19 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: bigbob
Here is another song to warm the cockles of your heart during the Christmas season.

The 12 Days Of Global Warming (Youtube)

34 posted on 11/28/2009 12:27:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: ricks_place; All

Here are the lyrics so we can all sing along:

Hide The Decline - Climategate

Makin’ up data the ol’ hard way
Fudgin’ the numbers day by day
ignoring the snow and the cold and a downward line
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)

Michael Mann thinks he’s so smart
totally inventing the hockey stick chart
ignoring the snow and the cold and a downward line
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)

ClimateGate
I think you have sealed your fate
I hope you do a lot of time
cuz what you did was such a crime
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)

the tree ring data was very thin
you shoulda chopped more trees instead of hugging them
ignoring the snow and the cold and a downward line
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)

ClimateGate
I think you have sealed your fate
I hope you do a lot of time
cuz what you did was such a crime
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)
Hide the decline (Hide the decline)

Source: youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

Notes from poster on youtube:

Purchase the video here: http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.co...
A parody of “Draggin the Line” by Tommy James and the Shondells. Which I think is where the term “Treehugger” comes from “Huggin a tree when you get near it” was the original lyric which I replaced with “you should have chopped more trees instead of hugging them”

Hide The Decline Shirt and Mug Now Available!
http://www.cafepress.com/m4gw

Thanks, also to JibJab.com for their great animations.
Go to JibJab.com and make your own great videos.


35 posted on 11/28/2009 12:33:02 PM PST by RebelTex (FREEDOM IS EVERYONE'S RIGHT! AND EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY!)
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To: Soothesayer9
So Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel, is actually *against* the GW hype?

That's what I've read from several sources. Heard it on TV once too. Don't know his current status at the Channel. Here's some urls + a You Tube from him: Here

36 posted on 11/28/2009 12:34:55 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: ricks_place
Edward Teller good enough for me, plus all the other People of the Mind: Global Warming Petition Project Here
37 posted on 11/28/2009 12:50:13 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: ricks_place
In its article, even the Telegraph is guilty of the dumb@$$ stunt of labeling a photo

"CO2 emissions will be on top of the agenda at the Copenhagen summit in December
Photo: Getty"

When the photo is of cooling towers -- discharging nothing more than water vapor condensing as it hits the cooler air. The same stunt is also used in most of the iconic photos of nuclear plants. (The reactor is in that innocent-looking dome off to the side -- apparently doing nothing...)

Idiots!!!

38 posted on 11/28/2009 1:10:36 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: aruanan
"I think that the banning DDT at the request of environmental groups and environmentalism in general is a bigger scientific fraud in the effects on billions of people."

When I saw the thread title, my thought was "what could be a bigger scandal". But you are correct...banning DDT was worse.

39 posted on 11/28/2009 1:11:52 PM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
When I saw the thread title, my thought was "what could be a bigger scandal". But you are correct...banning DDT was worse.

We are on the edge now of where the DDT ban was in the first years after Ruckelshaus sold his soul to the green devil. Thirty-seven years of cap and trade and all the rest of the Copenhagen schemes will do an even worse job on the world's economy and health than the DDT ban, if allowed to go forward.
40 posted on 11/28/2009 1:16:44 PM PST by aruanan
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To: ricks_place

BUMP


41 posted on 11/28/2009 1:18:15 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Catholic Canadian
Climategate is the gift that just keeps on giving.

Copenhagen, may just work against this bunch of government leaders pushing it, it will turn into a political joke

42 posted on 11/28/2009 3:07:09 PM PST by opentalk
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To: ricks_place

When 0bama gets to Copenhagen I hope he has an Olympics moment.


43 posted on 11/28/2009 3:08:44 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: ricks_place
Already one respected US climate scientist, Dr Eduardo Zorita, has called for Dr. Mann and Dr. Jones to be barred from any further participation in the IPCC. Even our own George Monbiot, horrified at finding how he has been betrayed by the supposed experts he has been revering and citing for so long, has called for Dr. Jones to step down as head of the CRU.

Story is gaining traction in the scientific community.

44 posted on 11/28/2009 3:15:07 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (At the first of the year I feared for my grandkids... then it was my kids... now it's me.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Google “Harvard and MIT debunk global warming” The whole page is chock full of proof.

Did and it's case closed. No argument. Done deal. Are they going to cancel Copenhagen? Plus, no more "Grants" for the global warming, uh, er, climategate myth. What a waste of money. .

45 posted on 11/28/2009 3:19:43 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: Wonder Warthog
I think that the banning DDT at the request of environmental groups and environmentalism in general is a bigger scientific fraud in the effects on billions of people.

Another liberal genocide. Millions of kids died with the ban. . .

46 posted on 11/28/2009 3:23:42 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: Art in Idaho

“I think that the banning DDT at the request of environmental groups and environmentalism in general is a bigger scientific fraud in the effects on billions of people.”

Another liberal genocide. Millions of kids died with the ban.

It appears to me that a significant portion of adults in the world never matured past the age of 10.When we say Marxism killed over 100 million people, that does not include the millions killed due to the DDT ban, and other such madness.


47 posted on 11/28/2009 4:01:09 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Ballygrl

so tell your friends


48 posted on 11/28/2009 4:33:48 PM PST by gibtx2 (End Tenure)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Wow. Thanks for posting Howard Hayden’s letter.


49 posted on 11/28/2009 7:39:30 PM PST by Rocky (Obama's ego: The "I's" have it.)
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To: Tax-chick
"Climategate" must have popped into 1,000,000 brains and was tapped out on 1,000,000 keyboards simultaneously.

Myself, I prefer Mark Steyn's schadenfreudelicious "Climaquiddick".

50 posted on 11/29/2009 7:11:06 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Opportunity may knock once, but temptation bangs on your front door forever.)
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