Posted on 11/28/2009 11:39:04 PM PST by neverdem
The East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU) revelations come as no real surprise to anyone who has closely followed the global-warming saga. The Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) thesis, to give it its semi-official name, is no stranger to fraud. It would be no real exaggeration to state that it was fertilized with fraud, marinated in fraud, stewed in fraud, and at last served up to the world as prime grade-A fraud with nice side orders of fakery and disingenuousness. Damning as they may be, the CRU e-mails are merely the climactic element in an exhaustively long line.

Even the Supreme Court of the USA has been so misled that it has issued an opinion that, on its face, is scandalously wrong!
Exactly, the courts (and yes, even the supreme court) are no longer objective, but rather are now political legislators with hte power to enforce laws based o ntheir subjective interpretations- Sandra Day O’Connor’s opinion about ‘seperation of Church and state’ proved that she is NOT fit to sit hte bench, showign that she is more concerned abotu agenda than she is about upholding her sworn duty to objectively rule. She legislated sentiments concerning ‘seperation of church and state’ by claiming anyone in government who observes religion in public is trying to ‘force or coerce’ others to do so as well- to ‘establish a religion to the exclusion of other religions’ which oif course is an assinine claim
The supreme court has been scandalous for a great many years now- and this global warmign issue will prove to be just an ongoing perversion of the judicial system.
Judge Jones also proved his unnabashed bias when he wrote the brief against ID in the dover trial- proving conclusively that he wasm ore interested in agenda than he is abotu justice and truth- His brief/opinion was a travesty of justice, which of course the left immediately praised and called ‘brilliant’- but anyoen with an iota of objectivity and commojn sense can see he severely overstepped his authority and duty to objectivity by stating the assinine biased crap that he did- and just for hte record, his opinion was almost a carbon copy of the ACLU’s ‘opinion’ on the ruling- prewritten, just wating for the ‘verdict’ (lynching)
Bite your tongue, dear brother in Christ! What is it with all this "doom-saying?"
Here's the scenario I envision, FWIW: The Big 0 goes to Copenhagen, to "universal" fawning applause as a known long-time spear-carrier for the cause of AGW. He is, of course, by now the President of the United States.
The gurus and their acolytes then conduct their obligatory Seance, and lo! and behold! They issue forth their Sacred Salvational Document!!! That will literally save the human race from itself!!! And lead to peace and love and prosperity and all kinds of goodies for the human race forever more the dawning of the New [manmade] Heaven on Earth!!! [Just trust us.]
Then Our Hero returns with Caesar's laurels to his fawning Left Progressive audience here, including whoever else The Big 0 has conned into thinking he is a "great man" [or at least a politically useful one].
He has declared: YES!!! to The Sacred Document!!! He is its Messiah in America! Hallelujah!!!
Somebody please pass me a barf bag.
Alternatively: This situation would be absolutely hilarious, were it not so deadly serious and dangerous.
Fact is, Copenhagen couldn't become American law just on The Big 0's say-so. His treaty power is limited by the "advice and consent" role of the Senate. (This is just one of the "pesky ways" the federal Constitution throws up barriers to his ambition. I expect he just hasn't quite figured out how to get around this one yet.... )
So my dear friends, the action moves to the Senate. They have the Constitutional warrant to "advise and consent" on presidential treaty-making powers. And it takes 67 senators to concur before any treaty can become American law.
The good news is: the Senate refused to ratify the Kyoto Treaty. Since their first refusal, they could have changed their mind at any time, and brought it back for another vote. They never did.
But now Kyoto has been succeeded by the Copenhagen festivities. Since Copenhagen is little more than The Second Coming of Kyoto which was fundamentally a profound attack on American sovereignty (as well as the sovereignty of every other Nation-State in the world) then one hopes the Senate will continue to refuse to "go along." We the People must do everything in our power to "encourage" them to continue in that refusal.
But one anticipates The Big 0 can find "helpers" in the Senate, by hook or by crook.... [Rahm Emmanuel, David Axelrod, et al., enter Stage Left.... Bring in the "fixers!"]
Among other things, we might mention to our Senators that the science on which this entire policy debate is founded and depends is just so much "witchcraft." And in the most scandalous way imaginable: as involving the compromise of one of the most "sacred tools" the human race has for reliably understanding its position in the World: the integrity of science itself.
So people, pay attention to goings on in the Senate!!! And hold your own Senators' feet to the fire.
This must be stopped. This is the wholesale selling of America into perpetual slavery and/or oblivion IOW, this is the "fire sale."
Unfortunately dear brother in Christ, the Justices of the Supreme Court are not trained scientists. Nor was Judge Jones....
The point being that science and its controversies should never be within the purview of courts of law for their adjudication. Only a person from Mars could argue that would be a "good thing."
I can only reply: Thank you from my heart, and all praise and glory be to God!
Well put.
Witchcraft, indeed.
Literally, probably, at some level.
Thx.
That explains a lot......
I suspect the critter from Mars would have more sense . . . providing he wasn’t a fallen angel . . .
What fascinates me is to look at how well this fraud has been sold to the public. If your kids are in school, they’ve been well indoctrinated in it. It has been pushed in all of the media, and almost no one dares to deny it in public. This is classic naked-emperor stuff in which people who see the king in his underwear are shouted down and mau-maued into silence.
This is worth studying from the viewpoint of a lesson in mind control on a massive level. They took something that wasn’t true, changed the data, and essentially dared anyone to call them on it. And almost no one did, so intimidated were they, and so desperate are most people to be on the winning team.
Some of us are used to being in the minority, but for most people, its very uncomfortable, and if you can convince them that all the smart people think “x”, then they’ll do any contortion necessary to think the same.
This was the biggest money-laundering scheme, the biggest Madoff securities scam, and the biggest power grab in history, and it almost worked. This episode should be studied as classic propaganda, classic mind control, just like war colleges study famous battles.
Indeed and agreed. Funny how the MSM isn't covering it....
I only hope that your "almost worked" language is prophetic.
AGW has been from the first a massive propaganda operation. It does not rest on scientific grounds at all, only on ideological grounds. Finally, crystal-clear evidence has surfaced that this is precisely the case.
Thank you ever so much, dear marron, for your penetrating insights on this score!
The preferred scenario....
It gives all the power to human imagination, without constraint that is, the imagination has no limit, it owes nothing to anything beyond its own confabulations by which such may be tested for truth value.
It makes man the measure....
But hallucinatory experiences of this kind do not change the nature or structure of Reality, only the way the man experiences it. Reality is indestructible; man is not. Ergo, man's experience does not, cannot, determine Reality: He is a participant in it, not the Maker of it.
But the temptation to witchcraft is oh! so ancient....
Thank you, dear brother in Christ, for writing!
Funny, but I wonder about questions like that myself nowadays, dear brother in Christ!
Yep. Sure does to me. :^)
[[Bite your tongue, dear brother in Christ! What is it with all this “doom-saying?”]]
Thanks, now my tongue is bleeding.
Well, I’ve just got this sinking feeling, after reading how all the nations are ignoring climategate, and pushing for copenhagen mandates, that obama is simply goign to ram through massive agreements in copenhagen. I’ve watched him give america them iddle finger ever since he in essence told America to screw off when he said his relationship with the ‘REv’ wright’, and has continued doing so calling teaprty folks a derogatory homosexual term, Sicking his SEIU THUGS on protestors who simply wanted their voices heard by this administration, and telling hard working citizens to shut up and ‘let him fix the mess we caused’, and now, watchign him go ful lsteam ahead to copenhagen- He’s got a consistant track record of not listenign to the citizens, and doign just as he pleases
[[Alternatively: This situation would be absolutely hilarious, were it not so deadly serious and dangerous.]]
Exactly- this global warming caused by man scam is a VERY serious issue, and one that will undoubtably cause peopel to go hungry, possibly even being deadly to those hwo simpyl won’t be able to afford anymore taxes, fines, and mandates.
[[Fact is, Copenhagen couldn’t become American law just on The Big 0’s say-so. His treaty power is limited by the “advice and consent” role of the Senate.]]
Yeah, I know, and that’s our only real hope- but there’s two scenarios that can take place here- #1: The democrats collectively decide to commit politcal suicide by ramming this collosal fraud through, agaisnt the will of the people, so that their Dear Leader will go down in history as ‘The only president who ‘cared abotu the environment’ and did soemthign about it (despite the fact that nothign we do can EVER change the climate an iota), or two- soem dems wil lbail on him, preferign to stand a possible chance of reelection.
I’d say that theoretically speasking, one woudl think the latter was goign to happen- however, Obama has said several times now that he’s willing to sacrifice a second term in order to impliment his mandates- He’s gung-ho to go down in history as a ‘legend’ even htough it’ll only be in his own mind- and There’s another fact here too that factors in- The democrats are tryign to reduce the amount of needed votes to what? 56 now? 54? or whatever they are tryign to call for- claiming that ‘nothign ever gets passed because of stonewalling and non-coloperation’ so they’re trying to pull a fast one here, and may very well do so friom what I’m reading
[[(This is just one of the “pesky ways” the federal Constitution throws up barriers to his ambition. I expect he just hasn’t quite figured out how to get around this one yet.... )]]
See my reply above-
[[And it takes 67 senators to concur before any treaty can become American law. ]]
I wasn’t aware of that- thought it was only 60?
[[The good news is: the Senate refused to ratify the Kyoto Treaty.]]
Under Pres. Bush though- with majority repub- remember- we’re dealign with power hungry, money-grubbing democrats who, as I’ve thought all along now, will grab whatever they can while they have the ‘opportunity’ knowing they are not goign to last very long in power after obama rams through all his tax and spend mandates- they figure “We’re out anyways, let’s grab our ‘piece of the pie’ while it’s still hot and plenty
[[Since Copenhagen is little more than The Second Coming of Kyoto which was fundamentally a profound attack on American sovereignty (as well as the sovereignty of every other Nation-State in the world) then one hopes the Senate will continue to refuse to “go along.” ]]
I sure hope you’re right. But I have serious doubts, and hte reason why is explained above- I used to run a blog which followed the climate scam for about 3 years- I finally gave up, thinking it was never goign to end, because I saw scientyist after scientists speak out agaisnt hte scam, only to be either ignored or ridiculed and bullied by the agendists. I had reposted reams of evidence showing ‘man-caused’ global warmign to be a scam, and showing it to be purely natural, and operfectly expected- and had reams of evidence refuting many of them ore extravagent claism by the alarmists- You can’t imagine how frustrated I became knowing hte mainstream media was doing everythign in their power to silence anty opposition to their religious agenda.
My hopes spiked a bit when this climategate issue broke, but, watchign the world leaders totally ignore climategate, and knowing obama and his disdain for Aemricans
[[But one anticipates The Big 0 can find “helpers” in the Senate, by hook or by crook....]]
Or by 300 million dollar bribes
I’ll certainly hope for the best, and try to contact folks like Inhofe, and others who have been tryign right along to expose the scam, but they have been, and wil lbe, up against a bunch of money-grubbing thugs who care nothign about facts or the will of the people- and again, the tax and spend democrats know they only have a limited time to extort as much money as possible from we the people- nkowing full well that they will most likely be ousted, and it’s my impression that we are goign to be scammed despite the revelations that it is a scam
[[What fascinates me is to look at how well this fraud has been sold to the public. If your kids are in school, theyve been well indoctrinated in it. It has been pushed in all of the media, and almost no one dares to deny it in public. This is classic naked-emperor stuff in which people who see the king in his underwear are shouted down and mau-maued into silence.]]
Exactly, and that’s precisely why we can’t fight it- Even powerful folks like Inhofe can’t fight this, because the left owns public education, owns the media, owns every propagandist outlet known practically, and they are pushing for even more control by goign after conservative voices, and proposing constitution violating mandates liek the ‘fairness doctrine’
[[They took something that wasnt true, changed the data, and essentially dared anyone to call them on it.]]
EXACTLY- they stuck their middle finger in our faces and glared at us, and dared us to try to stop them
[[And almost no one did, so intimidated were they,]]
again- EXACTLY- those that did try- got maligned, ridiculed, insulted, and bullied into silence, Ostracised, and ignored by the mainstream medai- and htose that tried via teaparties, were intimidated by obama’s thugs SEIU
[[This was the biggest money-laundering scheme, the biggest Madoff securities scam, and the biggest power grab in history, and it almost worked.]]
It still very well may work- the PM of Australia just came out claiming he represents the ‘commonwealth’ of some 2 billion people who ‘want climate change mandates’ to ‘save the planet’- Again- they are stickign hteir middle figner in our faces and essentially saying “Yeah, it’s a scam- it got exposed... but we dare you to try to stop us- we WILL ruin you IF you try!!!”
Great post Marron- You described the exact issues underlying htis scam perfectly
Here’s the commonwealth I was refering to- it looks liek they are simpyl going to ignore climategate, and go right ahead with scamming ‘rich nations’ as though no scandal ever existed- that’s mainly why I’ve got a sinking feelign they are goign to ram this through- even here in the states.
“World leaders spruik climate deal chances
“Hopes for a new global climate pact have risen after rich nations at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Trinidad and Tobago offered to help poorer countries bear the costs of implementing any deal.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2397138/posts
If we took all 6.7 billion people in the entire world and put them in a square 3 ft by 3 ft, they would all fit in southern Ohio. If we gave each family its own quarter acre lot with a house, they’d all fit in a box formed from Mississippi west to New Mexico and Mississippi north to Minnesota, about 1000 miles on a side and that’s adding streets.
At that point, the entire remainder of the planet would be totally empty.
I worked out on my back 40 today and didn’t see a single soul....and it’s the first day of deer-gun season.
My point: the human footprint isn’t as large as some would have you think.
"Science" is a pursuit. "Scientists" are people. "Science" has abandoned nothing. A group of scientists abandoned their professional ethics. You have already answered the "why" - it's all about money, prestige, influence, and finally POWER (political and financial) .
Trying to make these people the personification of "science" does a disservice to all the honest scientists out there.
There are persistent allegations that the elites have a variety of witchcraft initiatioins into their ruling circles . . . whether the sacrificing literally of their children in a horrific bloody ritual or buggering little boys . . .
entirely believable given certain givens.
They have clearly been foisting on the public at large around the world a list of horrific delusions and fantasies as facts for a long time.
And, as Scripture declares, God Himself has surrendered a number of folks/souls to DELUSION because of their rebelions against Him.
Dreadfully sad.
In the end, there will be vivid object lessons of what rebellion against Him results in vs what Love of and submission to Him results in.
Quite so.
Thank you...
[[My point: the human footprint isnt as large as some would have you think.]]
Exactly, but the global disaster alarmists use msoke and mirror alarmism to fool everyone into thinking the world can’t sustain too many more people- and when you bring up the fact that you just mentioned, they retort “Yeah, but who would want to live i na 3x3 square? That’s unreasonable’ as though that argument somehow refutes the FACT that there’s a hell of a lot of space on this planet- or they’ll throw out somehtign like “Yeah, but a lot of the ‘space’ is ocean or jungle or desert (which of course is just another smoek and mirror misdirection meant to distract the potential convert from noticing that there stil lwoudl remain a hell of a lot of open space untouched and uncivilized)
[[And, as Scripture declares, God Himself has surrendered a number of folks/souls to DELUSION because of their rebelions against Him.]]
It’s a very fearful and dreadful thing when God turns His face from someone, and hands them over to the evil one because of their rebellion against Him- The Evil One gladly takes any such folks and torments them day and night with delusions and lost sanity, tremors and tremblings. as you said, a very sad thing indeed
The collaboration between science and democracy is one of the great achievements of human history.
The author gets it wrong here, and I know he's writing to a certain audience. But, the real collaboration was between science and religion, both pursuits of truth in their own spheres.
This alliance came to fruition in the West and particularly in America (with help from the ancients including Muslims who helped preserve even older knowledge). What we are seeing is the decoupling of religion, particularly the moral foundation of the Judeo-Christian traditions. The result is moral relativism where the ends justify the means.
There are sincere Greens, but on balance they're watermelons. Old school communists that desire the destruction of the West and America in particular through any means. The confluence of money and power just make it easier. At the end of the day, what is at stake is the truth itself.
There is no neutral in this war.
INDEED.
Soberingly horrific even to contemplate from a distance.
As you say, the word "proof" only applies in mathematics and trial law.
Thank you all so very much for your wonderful insights!
betty remarked: Then Our Hero returns with Caesar’s laurels to his fawning Left Progressive audience here, including whoever else The Big 0 has conned into thinking he is a “great man” [or at least a politically useful one].
Spirited: The circle must be made complete before we can clearly see it as a circle and not merely an arc. That said, consider the following quote from “In the Shadow of Leviathan....http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2377776/posts
“The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia,” notes Mishin, “and a bloody test it was.”
Who financed the bloody test? “Wall Street,” says Mishin.
In his book “The Naked Capitalist,” W. Cleon Skousen exposes the unholy alliance of bankers and capitalists collectively defined as “Wall Street” by Mishin. Skousen verifies his findings through the writings of Dr. Carroll Quigley, both a professor of history at the Foreign Service School at Georgetown University and mentor to Bill Clinton. In his opus, “Tragedy and Hope,” Quigley deliberately reveals one of the worlds best-kept secrets: the existence of a gigantic leviathan of political and economic power poised to seize control of the planet.
The gargantuan power complex says Quigley, has been - right from the start - controlling Marxist-Communist-Socialist groups,
“...the power that...Left-wingers exercised was never their own power or communist power but...the power of the international financial coterie.” (p. 954, Tragedy and Hope)
Why did Quigley expose the existence of the global financial coterie? Because he says, it is now too late for the little people to turn the tide. He urges them to not fight the noose that is already around their necks, for they will only hang themselves.
“On the other hand, those who go along with the immense pressure which is beginning to be felt by all humanity will eventually find themselves in a man-made millennium of peace and prosperity.” (Skousen, The Naked Capitalist, pp. 4-6) See the funders here: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guideDes c.asp?type=funder
Today, there is at least one well-respected ‘right-wing’ website that refuses to publish “In the Shadow....” Why? Because of the “Wall Street” connection. Supposedly, Wall Street is on the side of traditional values America. And while there yet remain many business leaders who are loyal to traditional values America, a check of Horowitz’s website, DiscovertheNetwork/Funders will reveal the extent to which powerful Wall Street insiders support a globalist NWO, which means that very large numbers of Americans unknowingly work for and spend their hard-earned dollars in businesses that are betraying all of us.
For example: Do you buy Playboy? Use porn? Then you are unwittingly financing the destruction of traditional values America. Is your favorite soft-drink Coca Cola? Coke, along with 100 other Wall Street insiders is spearheading a drive to impose a global tax on Americans. Again, check out Horowitz’s website.
Our Republic’s founders warned that only a well-informed, virtuous people—people characterized by impulse control-— can be a free people.
Truth is often bitter, and the bitter truth is that moral corruption and ignorance rather than virtue and true knowledge characterizes the majority of Americans today. And as corrupt people are characterized by lack of impulse control,-—their eyes are bigger than their stomachs, wallets, etc-—they naturally elect leaders who likewise lack impulse control in order to ‘get what they want.’ Consider for example, the voters who keep Barney Franks in office.
And now the connection between corrupt leaders-—including corrupt educationists-— and corrupt bankers-Wall Street insiders comes into focus, for it’s insider Wall Street corporatists and bankers who market the addictive vices, ie. porn, sex, McMansions for ‘everyone,’ etc. Meanwhile, corrupt media floods the airwaves with seductive vice and propaganda, corrupt educationists dumb Americans down, and corrupt politicians, jurists, etc. obligingly redefine vice as ‘new rights,’——modernity’s version of yesterday’s ‘bread and circuses.’ Voila! A manipulable ‘barbarian constituency motivated by destructive impulses’-—a weapon of both destruction and control-— has been created by globalists who wield it against traditional values forces and America itself.
Wall Street letting Playboy fall into bankruptcy must be a clever ruse.
So very true, spirited irish! The Republic's Founders were very well aware of the "downside" of human nature. As you note, only "impulse control" can keep a person and a society in good order. I do believe the Framers would have agreed with you about this.
The problem is, without a moral center, there is no source for "impulse control." What society has evidently lost, in the post-modern period, is any idea of a moral center. Previously, the moral center was derived from the laws of God, or Natural Law (if one is not a theist). Our materialist, empiricist culture has failed to produce any rationale for a new moral center that can serve a good and just society. With God "gone," and Natural Law disparaged, no substitute has yet been found; and I strongly doubt one is being sought.
What we are left with is what I'd call the Naked Individual. He stands alone, with no helps beyond his own (puny!) powers. Thus we proceed to the laws of the jungle, a sort of "every man for himself" mentality. The implication being: What is good for me personally is "moral."
But you cannot build a peaceful, prosperous, just and good society on a "moral code" or "moral foundation" like that. IMHO FWIW.
Go figure.
Thank you so very much for your excellent, perceptive essay/post, dear spirited irish!
I so agree!
You know what is really ironic here, xzins? Man Writ Large is "guilty" (according to them) of being the source of the "global warming problem." Which anybody with even general knowledge of the long-term cyclical weather warming/cooling patterns over the course of the Earth's history some warming cycles occurring before the arrival of man would know simply isn't true.
But all the "expert" solutions to this problem involve writing Man Very Small indeed (i.e., stripping him of his natural liberties)....
That's why it's perhaps not so very strange that these scurrilous AGW boosters were caught red-handed slaving over the design of algorithms to feed their models that would not only obscure the Medieval Warming Period, but would produce "evidence" of the kinds of gradual, inexorable overall warming trend, spiking in the "hockey stick" of suddenly rapid acceleration in the most recent period, that they wanted to see all due, they say, to human activities.
Question: What was the massive (human-caused) hydrocarbon threat that brought on the rather long-lived warming in the Mediaeval Period? In this period, Greenland was an agricultural paradise, sustaining both crop production and animal husbandry.
Then it got cold again. Human-caused CO2 emissions had nothing to do with either.
Thank you so much, dear brother in Christ, for your most astute observations!
[[The problem is, without a moral center, there is no source for “impulse control.” What society has evidently lost, in the post-modern period, is any idea of a moral center.]]
Exactly- objective universal morals have given way to lust, $$, power, and pride appeasing subjective ‘morals’
[[With God “gone,” and Natural Law disparaged, no substitute has yet been found; and I strongly doubt one is being sought.]]
Subjective morals are always inferior to objective morals- always. Any subjective laws or morals that come close to being fair and balanced are simply objective morals which have been watered down
[[What we are left with is what I’d call the Naked Individual. He stands alone, with no helps beyond his own (puny!) powers.]]
Yep- but pride prevents him from admitting that he’s puny an inferior, and he’ll never admit his subjective morality is inferior to God’s universal objective morality because he’s blinded by his own pride, the only thing that can reveal the inferiority of his subjectivem orality, is the Holy spirit removing hte scales from his eyes
Good post- We’re seeing hte corruption of the subjective morality play out perfectly in this global warmign scandal which pretends to be about ‘the little poor nations’ who ‘need our help’ but when the scam is revealed, it shows how ugly, how self-centered, and how corrupt this ‘morality’ really is, and hte left, the subjective ‘moralists’ are furious that their scam and lies have been exposed- let’s just hope objective morality and truth take hteir rightful place once more
Please forgive me, dear brother in Christ: I had no idea how much you'd suffered over this problem already! It's especially disheartening to see a lie seemingly thrive due to propagandistic "boosting."
You wrote: "I wasnt aware of that [i.e., the number of Senators it takes to ratify a treaty] thought it was only 60?"
Article II, Section 2: "...[POTUS] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur...."
Occasionally, the Constitution requires "supermajorities" for certain extremely vital constitutional purposes. This is one of them: if 100 Senators are "present" for the vote, then it would take 67 "Yeas" before any treaty could be ratified.
Another interesting supermajority requirement shows up in Article V, the constitutional Amendment process. It takes two-thirds of both houses of Congress to propose an amendment; either that or it may proceed on the "Application of the Legislatures of two-thirds of the several States" calling for a Constitutional Convention, before the amendment process can commence. Then it takes another supermajority to pass it: three-quarters of the States must say "Yea" to ratify an amendment to the Constitution.
Evidently the Framers wanted to make the Amendment process as difficult as possible! They weren't big on lots of light, nickel-and-dime revisions to what they had wrought. Yet they provided the amendment process as the only bona-fide way to change the Constitution, for they realized that "times change."
Thank you every so much for writing, dear CottShop!
Totally agreed. What passes for current morality is a decaying relic of the past, an inheritance from our forefathers who, unlike most people today, vividly experienced the moral law as a creation of God, just as He created the natural law.
With God "gone" out of the contemporary picture, the opportunities for experiences of divine Truth become increasingly rare. We remember the words, but we no longer feel what lies behind them. Active reciprocal love is gone out of them. And so if the words constrain us overmuch, we simply ignore them. We become our own "moral center" thus the increasing subjectivity of "morality" nowadays.
But human history tells us that societies only last and flourish where there is a shared moral consensus, that is, a commonly agreed-on objective morality that binds the entire community together.
Now as an objective morality, I recognize that what the authors of the DoI wrote was the culmination of the classical/Christian historical moral development over two millennia of human experience. It stresses life, liberty, individual responsibility and accountability, self-reliance, and the sacred dignity of the individual human person.
However, the "Modernist project" does not seem to value such things. In our age of "group think," all such are under relentless attack.... The human individual continues to shrink away into virtual nothingness, while the putative "plight" of groups is shouted from the rooftops.
But notice this: There is nothing in the federal Constitution that takes any cognizance of "groups." Justice is always premised on the individual....
In this, the Framers were very prescient, wise men: For the group, not the individual, is the natural unit for party organizational purposes; and the Framers found the idea of "political parties" and "party politics" extremely distasteful, as fomenting passions rather than encouraging deliberation according to reason.
The present moral/cultural meltdown cannot continue much longer without devastating effects (IMHO FWIW). Truth cannot be denied and will always assert itself in the long run Even if there are human beings who think God and His Truth are non-existent; or find God's Truth "wrong" or inconvenient. In whichever case, the "old morality" needs to be "improved upon" by human efforts to make it other and "better" than it is.
Perhaps it will take a truly horrific catastrophe before human beings wake up to such facts. And I do call them "facts!"
Thank you so much for your excellent essay/post, dear brother in Christ!
[[self-reliance, and the sacred dignity of the individual human person.]]
Yup- that’s what’s sorely missing htese days- our government feels they are to be relied on, and are imposing subjective ‘morality’ to ensure we becoem dependent upon our government instead of ourselves, which is a real shame because it does away with a sense of accomplishment which is a major dirving source which compels us be the best we can be. Instead, what we have today, are peopel liek the woman who was interviewed and aksed why she voted for Obam, and she replied something like ‘Cuz now we are gonna get us some ‘Obama money’, and when asked where the ‘Obama money’ was suppsoed to come from, she had no answer, just that she felt she was entitled to profit from wealth redistribution, and that was good enough for her. ‘Obama money’ indeed!
[[The present moral/cultural meltdown cannot continue much longer without devastating effects (IMHO FWIW).]]
Agreed- the wealth redistribution has been proposed for a very long time now, since Lincoln’s days infact, when it was tried, but failed. Democrats have tried ever since to manipulate the country to becoem welfare dependents, and as such, We’ve seen a steady and constant degredation of our country to hte point where I beleive that God has removed His blessings from this country, and we’re seeign hte results, and it aint pretty, yet the far left still feels that their subjective ‘morality’ is superior to God’s and won’t go down without a fierce fight.
[[Even if there are human beings who think God and His Truth are non-existent; or find God’s Truth “wrong” or inconvenient.]]
They know i ntheir hearts that His morality isn’t wrong, but you nailed it by stating they feel it’s inconvenient, and impedes o ntheir lust for sin, power and corruption
[[In whichever case, the “old morality” needs to be “improved upon” by human efforts to make it other and “better” than it is.]]
Yup- and we’ve seen the disasterous results of subjective morality ‘improving’ on objective universal morality- it has NEVER worked, and never will- but again, the far left socialists are bound and determined to do away with anythign which sears their conscience
[[Perhaps it will take a truly horrific catastrophe before human beings wake up to such facts. And I do call them “facts!” ]]
Oh I hope not- We’re already sufferign from God turnign His face from this nation- We were ocne them ost repescted nation on earth (Note- I’m not saying we were liked- this is a much different issue than being respected), and it’s clear that Obama values being liked more than he values being respected, and his policies are goign to just turn God’s face fro mthis nation even further- Where God effectively hands the socialists over to their own evil desires. Nations used to look to us for help and guidance precisely because we would NOT compromise on moral values (for htem ost part- yes, there have always been corrupt politicians, but we’ve had great presidents who have udnerstood that this coutnry NEEDS God’s blessings in order to remain great) but unfortunately, our current president just doesn’t get it, or just doesn’t care (I thin kthe latter), and a great many socialists in power are too consumed by the lure of power $$ and shallow ‘pats on the back’ by those who are out to destroy us
It certainly seems that way, CottShop. Then again, why shouldn't He turn His face away from the hard of heart, those who have chosen to close off their souls to Him?
Pray, dear brother in Christ, pray and keep on praying!
Thank you for your beautiful essay/post!
[[Then again, why shouldn’t He turn His face away from the hard of heart, those who have chosen to close off their souls to Him?]]
He should- most definately however, I just hope, liek Israel, that there is a faithful remnant which God will save through the destruction if our country doesn’t change it’s ways
[[Pray, dear brother in Christ, pray and keep on praying!]]
I do- and I’m prayign that this global warmign scam gets blown wide open so that it never again is foisted on the innocent by the corrupt who have been elected to protect us
Much agree. Thx.
BTW, what is your perspective on Creme’s ?latest? stuff about the return of the “Star of Bethlehem” as 4 UFO’s etc. etc. etc. ??
I thoroughly agree.
Much agree. Thx. BTW, what is your perspective on Creme’s ?latest? stuff about the return of the “Star of Bethlehem” as 4 UFO’s etc. etc. etc. ??Objective, measureable; no.
Subjective, interpretive; Yes
Don’t think I quite understand your point.
Don’t think I quite understand your point.On a thread titled: "Global Warming Fraud and the Future of Science" I didn't understand yours either ...
I don't think we breathe the same air on this planet.
It was an aside to an expert on the topic . . . an expert I happend to already be communicating with.
Asides happen on threads all the time on FR.
VERY VERY VERY EXCELLENT POINTS. THANKS:
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With God “gone” out of the contemporary picture, the opportunities for experiences of divine Truth become increasingly rare. We remember the words, but we no longer feel what lies behind them. Active reciprocal love is gone out of them. And so if the words constrain us overmuch, we simply ignore them. We become our own “moral center” thus the increasing subjectivity of “morality” nowadays.
But human history tells us that societies only last and flourish where there is a shared moral consensus, that is, a commonly agreed-on objective morality that binds the entire community together.
Now as an objective morality, I recognize that what the authors of the DoI wrote was the culmination of the classical/Christian historical moral development over two millennia of human experience. It stresses life, liberty, individual responsibility and accountability, self-reliance, and the sacred dignity of the individual human person.
However, the “Modernist project” does not seem to value such things. In our age of “group think,” all such are under relentless attack.... The human individual continues to shrink away into virtual nothingness, while the putative “plight” of groups is shouted from the rooftops.
But notice this: There is nothing in the federal Constitution that takes any cognizance of “groups.” Justice is always premised on the individual....
In this, the Framers were very prescient, wise men: For the group, not the individual, is the natural unit for party organizational purposes; and the Framers found the idea of “political parties” and “party politics” extremely distasteful, as fomenting passions rather than encouraging deliberation according to reason.
The present moral/cultural meltdown cannot continue much longer without devastating effects (IMHO FWIW). Truth cannot be denied and will always assert itself in the long run Even if there are human beings who think God and His Truth are non-existent; or find God’s Truth “wrong” or inconvenient. In whichever case, the “old morality” needs to be “improved upon” by human efforts to make it other and “better” than it is.
p.s.: For the Framers, "party politics" = "the spirit of faction." That sort of thing is the business of you-know-who....
p.s.: For the Framers, “party politics” = “the spirit of faction.” That sort of thing is the business of you-know-who....
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INDEED.
THX.
Jeepers, Quix, I hadn't heard about this. I'm kind of surprised Ben Creme is still a going concern.... In any case, I haven't been "following" his activities in years.
But from past experience I know that he does love to appropriate and twist Christian symbols for his own purposes. In this way he makes his message more appealing and accessible (because it uses language already familiar to most of his accolytes he is, after all, "converting" people mainly from Western countries) while at the same time transforming the symbols themselves in ways utterly subversive of their original meanings.
The prime example is his treatment of Jesus. Creme's Jesus is not the Son of God; he is a miserable third-degree initiate of the school of the Masters of the Hierarchy. The Crucifixion was not the redemptive sacrifice of God the Son on behalf of sinful humanity, but Jesus' Fourth Initiation Rite. It utterly killed him; he did not rise from the dead. Notwithstanding, He somehow has another three initiations to go before he can really be taken seriously; and this dead Jesus will, according to Creme, be taking them in due course. How a thoroughly dead Jesus will do this is never explained. Meanwhile, the Ancient of Days, Sunat Kamara, not God the Father, is the guy in charge of our "planetary system"....
And LOL!!! that he's blended in the "UFO element" this sort of thing is irresistible to the credulous....
There is nothing rational going on in Creme's articulations/performances....
JMHO FWIW
That term "active reciprocal love" came at me out of the blue while I was writing. Thinking about it since, I realize that the One Great Commandment models this perfectly: "Love God with all your heart and mind and soul and strength." And then models it again in the Commandment's great corollary, "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
Love God, love neighbor: This is the Christian moral law, pure and simple, the Truth on which hangs all the law and the prophets....
Notice God is not "nagging us" about anything in His Great Commandment, merely showing us the Way of Truth. We are free to walk that way, or not.
We were made in love, for life and liberty.
And we are subject to divine Judgment for the free choices we make. [Jeepers, even the pagans, the ancient Greeks and their forebears knew that!!! Christianity completely validates this insight.]
Or at least, that is my understanding and belief.
Lately I've been thinking about the ways these concepts are embodied in the Declaration of Independence, and then again in the Preamble of the Constitution of the United States.
It seems so strange to me that here, at FR, there is a coterie that seems devoted to proving that the DoI doesn't in any way depend on Christian ideas. That the very idea of America having a Christian foundation is nonsense. They tend to cite as evidence the historical fact that some of the Framers were Deists and/or Freemasons.
Yet to me, the Constitution is an amazing, radical, totally unprecedented and exceptional political design seemingly "made-to-order" for the sort of creature that God made:
We hold these truths to be self-evident [i.e., beyond question or doubt]: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed....It seems to me it takes a whole lot of love of God and neighbor to make a system of self-government work. It must start with the order of the self, but it certainly doesn't end there. A very ancient insight: Societies can only be as good as the typical human "capital" that forms them in the moral sense....
Which may be why, when Ben Franklin was asked by the lovely lady what sort of government had been wrought in Philadelphia, he mildly replied:
"A republic, dear lady if we can keep it."
These days, that looks like an increasingly big IF.... Ultimately, the question boils down to the issue of public morality/virtue.
Or so it seems to me, FWIW.
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