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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; neverdem; CottShop; metmom; GodGunsGuts
The moral failure seems to be the abandonment of professional ethics.

Seems to be? That's putting it mildly, tacticalogic! But you're absolutely right — "If carbon rationing can be effected, the people who control the rationing are going to get rich" — on the basis of thoroughly corrupt science. This is not even to mention the vast transformation of the world order that the upcoming global warming summit in Copenhagen envisions, which is entirely justified on the basis of this corrupt science.

This is not about science; it's all about money, prestige, influence, and — finally — POWER (political and financial). The AGW boosters propound a global wealth transfer from rich to poor nations, and a complete restructuring of the world economy under an unaccountable international bureaucracy. Again, all this justified on the basis of this crappy AGW "science."

This is breathtakingly scandalous!!!

Not only is science a moral enterprise; but if anybody doubted that it is (as Niels Bohr insisted) a public enterprise as well, this case should be the wake-up call.

An interesting question is why is science abandoning its "professional ethics?" Especially since it should be obvious that if science turns its back on ethical criteria, it undermines its own method and instantly ceases to be science.

47 posted on 11/30/2009 8:58:07 AM PST by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: betty boop

[[This is not even to mention the vast transformation of the world order that the upcoming global warming summit in Copenhagen envisions, which is entirely justified on the basis of this corrupt science. ]]

And that is the maddening part of this whole issue- We have to sit back and watch world leaders extort $$ from everyone based on nothign but a lie- a lie that was recently exposed as such- but which these leaders care nothign about. Copenhagen, by all rights, should be indefinately postponed pending further ‘research’ into the issue at the very least, but nope- they’re going right ahead with this as though the lie about man’s suppsoed involvement in climate change is still hidden from the public- which of course, it isn’t.

[[An interesting question is why is science abandoning its “professional ethics?”]]

The same reason the president and the far left are abandoning their duty to prefessional ethics- because it wasn’t workign for them, plain and simple- the president and the far left aren’t even being coy about their desire to trample on our constitutional rights anymore- aren’t even tryign to hide their agenda anymore- they are throwing it right in our faces and daring us to take a stand against them

[[This is breathtakingly scandalous!!!]]

Aint it though? And the worst part about it is we can do absolutely nothign to stop it- IF they won’t even recognize that they’ve been exposed as liars and fraudsters, and are continuing along as though nothign ever happened to expose them, then we, and the TRUTH, doesn’t stand a chance agaisnt these thugs who simply wish to redistribute wealth by force- Ethics be damned!


48 posted on 11/30/2009 9:39:15 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: betty boop
"...it should be obvious that if science turns its back on ethical criteria, it undermines its own method and instantly ceases to be science.

Exactly!!!

Those who do not have that "love of discovery" that "drives" a true scientist simply cannot comprehend how destructive the mere concept of "foregone conclusion that must be 'proven'" is to the bedrock foundation of the scientific endeavour.

As a "retired" scientist, I still keep a stereomicroscope here on my desk (and a differential interference metallurgical microscope nearby) -- simply because my mind will not allow me to bypass a question that can be answered via direct observation.

True science is not a "business" -- it is an inescapable "lifelong personal passion for knowledge"!

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Without ethics and passion for truth, "science" is not "dead" -- it is not "science" at all!


49 posted on 11/30/2009 9:43:05 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: betty boop
An interesting question is why is science abandoning its "professional ethics?" Especially since it should be obvious that if science turns its back on ethical criteria, it undermines its own method and instantly ceases to be science.

"Science" is a pursuit. "Scientists" are people. "Science" has abandoned nothing. A group of scientists abandoned their professional ethics. You have already answered the "why" - it's all about money, prestige, influence, and — finally — POWER (political and financial) .

Trying to make these people the personification of "science" does a disservice to all the honest scientists out there.

68 posted on 11/30/2009 3:44:16 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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