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Climate change data dumped
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece ^

Posted on 11/29/2009 4:11:00 PM PST by cycle of discernment

I am a lawyer of thirty years with an engineering degree....I don't have a lock on logic, but this global warming email disclosure, and now the incredible loss of raw data relating to science about the alleged destruction of the earth.... should be one of the biggest stories of the last 100 years, bigger than the Pentagon Papers or Watergate or any other...because the entire world was being manipulated into action based on the premise that the world might come to an end on science that was supposed to be unimpeachable........

Trillions are to be spent that is all based on science that was never vetted as promised, never peer reviewed at any reasonable degree as promised, let alone what should have been the highest degree of peer review ever on something this important to the future of the world...based on manipulated data...based on purposely withholding for years what the science was based on...based on the trust that scientists were given and abused while accusing others of being biased.....and now based on scientists losing all the raw data without telling anyone..based on scientists clearly playing politics at the highest levels.... even breaking the law to keep any truth about what the populace believe could be the end of the world....

It means that fifteen years of NON PEER reviewed science based on lost raw data....is meaningless....nothing said can be trusted.

Everything about GW, or AGW...is without any adequate peer reviewed process...and is still just a hypothesis...a theory....Any court would throw this case out on its tail when the experts at the highest levels were shown to have manipulated data of ANY kind, to have hidden data from the other side, to have attempted to keep the other side from testifying....

November 29, 2009 11:40 PM GMT

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1 posted on 11/29/2009 4:11:02 PM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

Awesome, devastating letter.


2 posted on 11/29/2009 4:12:42 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: cycle of discernment
In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added(quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

In many industries "Value-Added" is the addition of worthless junk or a process to get more money for less real product. In the meat department 'value-added' is 'water-added'

This story is 'value-added' ~ "tender and juicy"

3 posted on 11/29/2009 4:18:05 PM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the FEE, home of the SHAMED)
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To: cycle of discernment

Another good informed reply on the “substance” front:

Anthony Rohl wrote:

The problem is that most don’t have a background in Geology. 100 years is less than a tiny flyspeck compared to the earths overall history.

It’s barely measurable. Warming and cooling cycles are at best measured in increments of at least 20,000 years. So the ice caps are melting. Big deal. At one point in the distant past there were no ice caps.

The earth was experiencing a warming period. Then there was a prolonged cooling period, when the warm atmosphere caused an increase in water vapor due to rising ocean temperatures. The water vapor was transported by winds to a cooler place, the poles, where it was released in the form of snow. Many thousands of snow accumulation created glaciers.

We are now in one of the 20,000 year warming cycles, causing the ice caps to melt. At some point in the distant future, another cooling cycle will occur and the process will start anew. In case you doubt the cycles involved, keep in mind that CO2’s account for only 5% of what are called greenhouse gases.

The other 95% is water vapor. So now you know. I’ll forward you a link to the history of Yosemite National Park about 90 miles down the road from where I live.

Judge for yourself the times involved in its creation.

November 29, 2009 11:26 PM GMT


4 posted on 11/29/2009 4:18:12 PM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

KEY ClimateGate videos here:

http://BraveNewCommie.com


5 posted on 11/29/2009 4:19:35 PM PST by Islam=Murder (Hitler hated his Jewish side, Omoslem hates his white side.)
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To: cycle of discernment

The comments under that letter are excellent.

Bump up all the recommend checks!


6 posted on 11/29/2009 4:23:34 PM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the FEE, home of the SHAMED)
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To: FormerACLUmember

“...Any court would throw this case out on its tail when the experts at the highest levels were shown to have manipulated data of ANY kind, to have hidden data from the other side, to have attempted to keep the other side from testifying....”

And since the media is choosing to ignore it, that may be our only recourse.


7 posted on 11/29/2009 4:24:18 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: cycle of discernment

Short, and bitter sweet! This is perhaps one of the biggest frauds in history...one that mny of have been screaming against for years!


8 posted on 11/29/2009 4:26:39 PM PST by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: cycle of discernment
So the lost/dumped data cannot be recreated?

Gee. That could be a problem.

Too bad they didn't have Carbonite back then.

9 posted on 11/29/2009 4:32:12 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: cycle of discernment

A guy named Michael Hart commented on the article:

“An alleged author of one of the leaked emails threatens to delete the raw data rather than release it under any FOI request. This is odd, as surely the alleged author must have known that the original data was no longer available anyway? Were they simply not aware of this?”

....in other words, the so-called “scientists” are lying, either BEFORE, or NOW.

I say the dog didn’t eat their homework. I say their homework proves there’s no such thing as “global warming,” so they’ve conveniently “lost” the data.


10 posted on 11/29/2009 4:33:27 PM PST by Islam=Murder (Hitler hated his Jewish side, Omoslem hates his white side.)
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To: LiteKeeper
The real deal here is in the scientific community.

A lot of people used this data....and now find their research and hard hours....worthless.

The reputation of this institution, and the reputation of these guys, is shot.

They have had their 15 minutes as the God-Brains of climate change. Now they are just warnings to future scientists.
11 posted on 11/29/2009 4:34:51 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: LiteKeeper
This is perhaps one of the biggest frauds in history..

Can you cite any other fraud of any sort that is in the same league with this one?even 10% of this one?

12 posted on 11/29/2009 4:52:09 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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