Skip to comments.Appeals briefs scheduled in Obama eligibility challenge
Posted on 11/29/2009 7:25:53 PM PST by Man50D
A briefing schedule has been announced by the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in a case alleging Congress failed in its constitutional duties by refusing to investigate the eligibility of Barack Obama to be president, according to an attorney handling the challenge.
Attorney Mario Apuzzo filed the action in January on behalf of Kerchner, Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants were Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The case focuses on the alleged failure of Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."
The case asserts "when Obama was born his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was the same."
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CHENEY? would be part of this????
It is good to see that this case is moving forward, although I’m not holding out a lot of hope. I do believe that this approach has merit, but the anointed one is a slippery cuss...
Either way, keep his feet to the fire. The truth will come out. I pray we still have a country left once it does.
I have always thought that as soon as Obama was a liability to the marxist cause that somehow his birth certificate would show up. He would then be replaced by another patsy. Having seen him botch every thing he has tried we might be seeing it soon.
You bet. He did nothing. What he was supposed to do was ask the House members “...who challenges the nomination?” It is traditional and he purposefully skipped it even though at least one person had risen to challenge the nomination and was ignored.
you know I have no idea what the answer is but there are questions and it is up to obama to answer these .
Instead he refuses to show his past and if I was on the left I would still raise the same question.
Why does he not show it and get it over with?
All of this is going ot go on and on until there is an answer and for the lefty trolls.
Instead of trying to make make fun of those who question why not question and ask yourselves, just shut these right wingers up by showing it instead of sealing it
This reads like the paternity angle is the main one. I have always thought the location was unimportant since it was just the opening step in a long list of disqualifying reasons.
the question was out there before the election and yet everyone including the media ignored it.
Let’s pray that America’s best days are ahead of us. I’m glad that one case has the chance to be heard on this Interloper acting as our President.
Cheney presided over the senate when the electoral votes were certified (I think I have the terms right). An objection may have been raised and he may have ignored it. There seemed to have been a lack of due diligence to certify that the candidate was indeed qualified to hold office.
Well, the Vice President is the President of the Senate. Although a ceremonial title, the VP can be called upon to cast a vote if the Senate vote on a bill is tied at 50/50.
Exhibit A, The Twentieth Amendment, Section 3 reads as follows:
"3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Exhibit B U. S. Code, CITE: 3USC19
TITLE 3--THE PRESIDENT, CHAPTER 1- PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES
Sec. 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act
(a)(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.
Exhibit C: U. S. Constitution, Article Six Oath of Office for elected officials:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Exhibit D: The Electoral Vote Counting Act of 1877:
The process currently provides that someone challenge the electoral votes during a short, specified time frame while the Electoral College votes are opened and tabulated. This process does not cover challenges to "eligibility" qualifications. In fact, if this act pretends to do so in the manner in which it prescribes, it is unconstitutional. Any act of this sort that does not require that qualifications be presented by the President elect serves to undercut the provisions in the Constitution itself. No act that does not support the Constitution is constitutional. In order to change the requirements of the Twentieth amendment, one would need to pass another amendment. An Act doesnt cut the mustard.
The portion in bold stating or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify in section three is particularly interesting in that it plainly seems to infer that a qualification of some sort must be made in order to serve as President. Certainly, one cannot argue that it does not require a qualification process for one to qualify. To infer that the lack of a specified qualification process means that stated eligibility qualifications for the office of president can be ignored is fallacious. The wording of this passage in the twentieth amendment clearly infers that a qualification is required, regardless of how this is done.
There is only one set of qualifications listed anywhere in the Constitution that are not health related and they are listed in Article two, section one.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
To satisfy meeting the requirement of the twentieth amendment to qualify, a president elect must present evidence that he meets its requirements for eligibility to serve. This means that a proper birth certificate HAD to be presented by the president elect in order to serve as president. In fact, without establishing whether or not the President elect is "qualified", Congress would not know whether or not to step in and name a temporary replacement as the Amendment requires. Certainly, this means that the proof of "qualifications" must be presented to Congress.
If this was done, where is that certificate and to whom was it presented? If this was done, why would we not have the right to verify and inspect it under the freedom of information act?
If it was NOT done, then under the provisions of the twentieth amendment, Barrack Obama has failed to qualify and should not be serving as president of the United States of America.
Based upon the above, I conclude that:
1. We currently have a vacancy at President because no one has yet qualified as required in the Twentieth amendment. The terms "The President elect shall have failed to qualify" clearly places this burden upon the President elect and not on someone raising their hand in objection.
2. Anyone serving in Congress (see Congress in bold in Exhibit A), or anyone who is currently serving under the oath of office in Article six has "standing" and can DEMAND that their oaths be met by receiving proper qualifying documentation from Mr. Obama. This charade at the time of counting the Electoral College votes does not limit their ability to do so at any time they so choose. The very fact that they are duty-bound by oath to "support" the Constitution REQUIRES them to respond to any and all attacks against it. No judge can deny any of them the standing to do so. It would ask them to break the law in their effort to enforce the law.
There is an alternate approach which would not depend upon the courts. It is THIS ONE LAW passed by a state or two. It would end the charade NOW.
HA...GOOD POINT! They are NUTS...and Cheney would likely take the fall to get Obomba removed! He’d be a hero! I just thought it was the responsibility of the Party to certify the qualifications of THEIR candidate!
There were no objections called for by VP Cheney, and no
audible objections were sounded from any member of Congress
before the Electoral Vote count was called.
Anyone that is now willing to say that Obama is somehow Cheney’s fault... is freaking nuts.
Hell, maybe he could even plead guily just to move things along. Then the RATs might have to defend him just to cover their own butts. This could end up being great fun!!
Pelosi and the Democrats colluded to circumvent the US Constitution.
No, but the Democrats certainly did.
Who supposedly did that ?
President of the Senate.ll, yes... he could be.
That may be grandstanding, but I’m not sure that it is.
President of the Senate..., yes... he could be.
That may be grandstanding, but I’m not sure that it is.
I don’t know who it was - but I did see photographs of it, and the Congressman had definitly stood and raised his arm at the proper time, signaling VP Cheney that he wanted to challenge the nomination. The man never had a chance as Cheney didn’t ask the question. I believe Nancy Pelosi stood, spoke loudly over him and led the chamber in applause.
The photos I saw were on the Texasdarling blogg site and no longer exist, which is too bad as she had one hell of a lot of good information archived.
And this person who stood up didn’t speak out as well ?
Watch the video very carefully beginning around 3:45.
VP Cheney keeps glancing up and to his left. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, Nazi Pelousy jumps up and starts clapping with a huge grin like some circus clown.
If you listen there seems to be a couple of voices raised but are immediately drowned out by loud cheers.
At 4:07 as the camera pans the room in the far lower left you can see a tall bearded man with his hand UP...not clapping. That would be my Congressman, Steven LaTourette. Standing next to him is little Dennis Kucinich.
It is entirely possible that LaTourette was indeed trying to object.
If so, why wouldn’t he be yelling .. demanding to be heard?
Actually, I was shocked to see that it was he that appeared to be trying to object. He is a bit of a RINO, but better than most from this state.
When I saw this video a while back I had fully intended to call his office and ask if he was indeed trying to object.
Then I decided to wait for a Town Hall and ask him personally. May have a chance of getting an answer that way.
Didn’t you ever ask him if he was
going to object?
No...I was out of town when he held the only Town Hall that I knew about.
Boy .. if I thought my critter might
have been poised to object, I’d sure
contact him .. phone, fax, email ..
But still .. anyone who had the conviction
to do that should’ve stood up and yelled it
out, if need be, if that’s what he believed
and was determined to do.
And here we are.
If you bring Cheney into this, it will be on like Donky Kong.
“...supposed to ask the House members “who challenges the nomination? It is traditional...”
I have never heard this stated before.
Can you please point me to a source?
Now, IF there was ONE person who had an objection, which is not clear, is that person now willing to step forward, I doubt it!!!
It only took Cheney 4 minutes and 41 second to be an enabler in the biggest voter fraud in our nation’s history, when Nancy jumped up clapping and distracted Cheney from his duty!!!
Did you skip #16???
“Did you skip #16???”
No, I did not skip it.
And I do not see anything in that posting or anywhere else
that makes it a requirement for such a question to be asked.
Nor do I see anything to infer that such a question is
“traditional” as the original poster stated.
Perhaps you can enlighten me?
Trying to blame this nightmare we are living through on Cheney... is a crock.
Do you believe we have witnessed the biggest voter fraud in our nation's history???
As I stated above -- I thought of calling, but I've called enough critters to know the only person I would talk to would be a low level staffer. IF the message/question was relayed at all it would only serve to alert them so as to formulate a pat answer if others called.
Faxes, e-mails or snail mail would simply be ignored while once again alerting them to the fact he had indeed been seen.
It was my decision, wrong though it may be, to ask him in person where I would be able to observe his initial reaction before he starting yammering. Unfortunately, life got in the way and I was unable to attend the only known Town Hall meeting.
Also, unless there was a SINator jumping up and down to voice his objection, it would only paint a target on his back. All we needed was one CONgre$$person and one SINator to object, but there were not 2 out of the 535 traitors that had the b@ll$ to do so.
Whatever happened to Ron Paul? He was making a lot of noise prior to the certification saying HE was going to object. It is my opinion that NOTHING was going to stop the coronation! Not only that, I believe it was due to threats of unrestrained violence in the Odinga model that precluded any action.
It does matter how many phone calls, faxes, e-mails, letters, confrontations at Town Halls, or million person marches we make on DC, they do not give a damn what we think and will continue on their path of destruction unless America's patriots, many millions of them, stand up and say ENOUGH!
In 2012 a billion Americans will vote for 0bama...
I certainly do, but trying to blame this on Cheney is ridiculous and self defeating.
I will have no part in such garbage and those that do will end up looking as stupid as the truthers.
Act Creating an Electoral Commission, January 29, 1877.
AN ACT to provide for and regulate the counting of votes for President and Vice President, and the decision of questions arising thereon, for the term commencing March fourth, anno Domini eighteen hundred and seventy-seven.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the hall of the House of Representatives, at the hour of one o’clock post meridian, on the first Thursday in February, anno Domini eighteen hundred and seventy-seven; and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate, and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates, and papers purporting to be certificates, of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two houses shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted as in this act provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, and the names of the persons, if any, elected, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the journals of the two houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper when there shall be only one return from a State, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision, and no electoral vote or votes from any State from which but one return has been received shall be rejected except by the affirmative vote of the two houses. When the two houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the question submitted.