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Recycling centers close, eliminating 'green' jobs
LA Times ^ | November 30, 2009 | By Shane Goldmacher

Posted on 11/30/2009 5:16:32 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Reporting from Sacramento - Recycling centers across California are closing, and scores of troubled youths are being tossed from "green" jobs onto unemployment rolls in the wake of Sacramento's raid on bottle deposit funds.

California's recycling treasury, filled by consumers' nickel and dime deposits on drink containers, had hummed along successfully for two decades until state officials left it nearly bankrupt after taking $451 million out to help balance the budget.

The unredeemed deposits that subsidized recycling facilities and such projects as a local conservation corps are virtually gone, leaving the programs in the lurch.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: failure; greenjobs; layoffs; obamanomics; recycling; socialism

1 posted on 11/30/2009 5:16:33 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

*SMILES*


2 posted on 11/30/2009 5:17:38 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

Any job that pays you “green” is a green job. The problem is that Nobama and his minions are eliminating such green jobs from the economy. They are either economic morons or marxists!


3 posted on 11/30/2009 5:21:42 AM PST by hal ogen
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

GOSH! Now that the purpose for the fees collected by the retailers is gone, I’m sure the State will eliminate that cost as unnecessary.


4 posted on 11/30/2009 5:24:03 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: hal ogen
They are either economic morons or marxists!

..no either, moronic marxists

5 posted on 11/30/2009 5:24:41 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We have one of those recycling set-ups locally that is busy trying to get more firmly locked on to the public tit. We’re watching them closely.

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6 posted on 11/30/2009 5:25:04 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Looks like CA learned well from the Feds. Once they got their hooks into the revenue flow, the money mysteriously became theirs to do with as they pleased.

Feds did the same thing to Social Security (despite it being an anti-Constitutional program to begin with)...

It’s time to take back the country.


7 posted on 11/30/2009 5:25:29 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’d always thought recycling was a good thing to do because of the indoctrination I received in public schools, but just this weekend I was reading The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism, and the author explained how it was basically an enormous waste of money because the recycled materials aren’t worth anything close to what it costs to recycle them. It’s a good book—I recommend it.


8 posted on 11/30/2009 5:31:00 AM PST by Feline_AIDS (Boop boop hoop yeah!)
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To: Feline_AIDS
basically an enormous waste of money because the recycled materials aren’t worth anything close to what it costs to recycle them.

The correct solution in a word...Gasification.

9 posted on 11/30/2009 5:33:17 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
These “green jobs” were such wonderful career training jobs too. They might have worked their way up to leaning on a broom in a government office somewhere. (;-)
10 posted on 11/30/2009 5:33:50 AM PST by Dem Guard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

In the end, they throw the recyclables back in with the rest of the trash, except for the newspapers, which were already recycled long before green mania (I would go with my pals door-to-door to collect newspapers for cash for our baseball team way back in 1960)


11 posted on 11/30/2009 5:38:26 AM PST by cookcounty ("Let us not hear of the honor of men - Let us bind them with the chains of the Constitution")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Whenever government sticks its hands into any business it destroys the business.


12 posted on 11/30/2009 5:42:41 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Without the subsidies, Tomra Pacific Inc., a leading depot company, has closed at least 33 recycling sites -- more than 8% of its total, said company

But, but, but it saves so much money!

13 posted on 11/30/2009 5:46:42 AM PST by SouthTexas (God Bless our Fort Hood Troops)
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To: Dem Guard

Actually, if the just enforced a couple of rules at these “green jobs”, the “workers” WOULD have received some valuable training that they lacked.

* Getting to work on time and staying until the end of the day
* Getting along with fellow workers
* Submitting to authority

Most of these “at risk youth” don’t have these basic skills required to hold any sort of job.


14 posted on 11/30/2009 5:49:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: SouthTexas
It *saves* money by making the sponsoring municipal entity eligible for grants from the Feds. Being in charge of this sort of program puts future Democrat candidates in the running for other local elective positions. However,last election, our recycling person lost the union vote and then his position was eliminated to cut costs, putting the lie to both of the actual reasons for the program.

Our township still makes us separate cans and bottles. Past studies in Scandinavia proved there was no savings, but they were totally ignored.

Ten years ago, I was griping about having to wash out used food cans and the woman I was with told me:”It makes me feel better about myself.”

15 posted on 11/30/2009 5:56:26 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
So much for the "Green Shoots"
16 posted on 11/30/2009 5:58:04 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: reformedliberal
”It makes me feel better about myself.”

That's the "hokey-pokey" of it.

The other night, we were watching a movie and my lib-in-law loudly questioned "where are the black people". When I asked why certain group representation in a movie was so important to her, she replied that it makes her feel good about herself to champion the minority.

17 posted on 11/30/2009 6:02:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No laughing matter for those losing their jobs, but the irony is delicious!!

California, the Queen of the nanny states and home to the nation’s biggest group of enviroweenies and leftists, is also the home of a massive deficit!

Some days, you just don’t know whether to laugh or cry.


18 posted on 11/30/2009 6:09:47 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: reformedliberal

It doesn’t save anything, never has never will. They hype that shows that it takes less fuel to start with recylables rather than raw materials, neglects to include the cost of collection.


19 posted on 11/30/2009 6:11:18 AM PST by SouthTexas (God Bless our Fort Hood Troops)
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To: Feline_AIDS

It depends on the material and how much cost is involved in getting it to the processing facility.
Here in NH most towns outside of Nashua, Manchester and Concord do not have municipal trash pickup. Most people like me take their trash to the local transfer station. Our towns is at the location of the former landfill that has been closed for years. We voluntarily recycle in our town. Therefore, with the exception of the salary for the four employees of the tranfer station , the only other cost is trucking and electricity.
So, we actually make money on aluminum( we do not have a bottle bill in NH). It costs less money to haul away newspaper & magazines, bottles and cans , cardboard and clean mixed paper than just mixed trash. The most expensive thing to dispose of is construction debris such as drywall, plywood. We also recycle leaves and brush which is ground up and turned into mulch.
Therefore, the problem with other recycling operations is that too many people handle it.


20 posted on 11/30/2009 6:40:04 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: SouthTexas
Being rural, our collection is unpaid, as we deliver everything, pre-sorted, to the town dump. One person has a paid position to manage the dump. There is a 4-hour collection period each Saturday morning. We have heard that everything except aluminum is just put into the landfill. IIRC, there is some sort of payment schedule to the dump based on volume. I am unsure how it works.

The recycling plants, where trash is resorted and dumpsters washed, are often located near minimum security corrections facilities, allowing the inmates to earn enough to pay for their incarceration.

A few years ago, one of the local PhD psyches mentioned that he has a lot of art student clients, most of whom were placed in therapy by parents who didn't want to see the insurance coverage for mental health "go to waste." Uniformly, the art students told him that they wanted to work with recyclable material. At the time, the media was full of articles lauding various product lines that began with discarded materials.

I have noticed fewer of these articles in the past few years.

21 posted on 11/30/2009 6:47:09 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Feline_AIDS

In the beginning, the most common justification for recycling was that it saves landfill space. This was during the 1980’s when we were carpet bombed with scary stories about landfill capacity and garbage barges.

Ask yourself: how long has it been since you read a national news story about landfill capacity? I’d bet at least 15 years. Like so many other things, it was simply the environmental alarm du jour.


22 posted on 11/30/2009 6:47:19 AM PST by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our Privileged "Public Servant" class.)
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To: reformedliberal
"Ten years ago, I was griping about having to wash out used food cans and the woman I was with told me:'It makes me feel better about myself.'”

She might want to consider plugging the tub during her two-minute shower and reuse the water to wash the cans. She'd feel even better.

23 posted on 11/30/2009 7:09:31 AM PST by Fetid Facts (Under Democrats, "The law is a ass--a idiot.")
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To: reformedliberal

I’m rural enough to not even have it! :)

What I don’t like are the silly games they play with some of this. Years ago, you could sell car/truck batteries at the junkyard. There were guys that even came around to collect them. Now you have to pay a disposal fee every time you buy a new one.

What changed?


24 posted on 11/30/2009 7:15:30 AM PST by SouthTexas (God Bless our Fort Hood Troops)
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To: SouthTexas

Duh.... the same Big Gov type geniuses that run the Postal Service, DMV and so on.... same result.


25 posted on 11/30/2009 7:26:54 AM PST by Republic Rocker
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To: Feline_AIDS
I've not read the book, but my understanding is that the only stuff that is worth recycling is metal, simply because of the massive amounts of energy the smelting processes take.

Everything else is consumer-driven feelgoodism. And frankly, those feel-good dollars that pay a premium for "25% Post-Consumer Napkins" dry up real quick.

26 posted on 11/30/2009 7:52:56 AM PST by wbill
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To: Republic Rocker

Have had the Post Office discussion elswhere already this morning. LOL


27 posted on 11/30/2009 8:52:49 AM PST by SouthTexas (God Bless our Fort Hood Troops)
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To: Feline_AIDS

You can always tell which stuff is worth the time to recycle because people will pay you to take it (which currently pretty much means it’s metal). Anything the government needs to cajole you into recycling belongs in the dump.


28 posted on 11/30/2009 8:59:33 AM PST by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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To: Feline_AIDS
basically an enormous waste of money because the recycled materials aren’t worth anything close to what it costs to recycle them.

One of the most reliable and unbiased indicators of how many resources something consumes, how green it is, is its price. If a city starts a recycling program and everyone's garbage bill doubles, about twice as many resources are being consumed than before, and the environment is worse off.

29 posted on 11/30/2009 10:04:14 AM PST by Reeses
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