Posted on 11/30/2009 8:50:13 AM PST by Pyro7480
Yes, you’re right. People are piling on Huckabee right now. In some instances these are the same people who raised the issue of Huckabee’s fitness to get the nomination in 2008. Some of them even raised the issue of clemencies. Some of them are the same people who tried to explain why Romney and McCain were not good candidates to get the nomination because of their political baggage. Still, McCain did get the nomination to the consternation of most of us. Right now on the forum you will see people discussing the problems with Huckabee, Romney, and McCain. They DO NOT want to see any of them run again, under ANY circumsatances. None of them will ever get a vote from me. Other think along the same lines.
People are still angry from the foul taste in their mouth from who got the nomination in 2008. They are going to take every advantage they can, to destroy the viability of leftist Republicans, so they can’t steal the nomination away in 2012. To that end, I wish them good luck.
Were other people involved in Huckabee’s clemency? He states he read favorable reports. He’s a little disengenuous when he states nobody objected, but he went ahead and did it. If he had only given clemency to a normal number of people, he wouldn’t be taking so much heat here. The problem is, he provided 700 of them, three times the clemencies of nearby states, and at least one of them dwarfed Arkansas’ population. The guy was a soft touch. He was a minister (former if you will), and he wanted to see the best in people. He went into it with a pie eyed naiveté, and others have paid the price. I honestly don’t see a problem with taking out some wrath on Mike. I don’t relish seeing it, because in some ways he’s a nice guy. Nice guys can royally screw up too. And he did royally screw up.
He may have been sixteen at the time, but he had committed a number of felonies by that time. He showed no remorse and was a thug hell bent on screwing everyone he came in contact with. His trail of destruction since his pardon, leave no doubt that my description here is dead on target. Despite the warning signals, the bleeding hearts go their way. Huckabee played the major part in this. He was governor and the only person who could facilitate what happened. Anything that took place after his clemency, was only possibly because of his clemency. You’ve listed what took place after his clemency a number of times now. Those actions don’t mean didly here, because none of the instances where he would get unrealistic favorable treatment again would have taken place, if not for the clemency.
Huckabee has applogized profusely for his actions. He knows he screwed up royally. If he thinks he did, I’m just baffled why you’re still running cover for him. I’m not saying this to be mean, but please come back down to the reality of this situation. There is one man, and one man only who made possible what Clemmons did. That man is Mike Huckabee. Clemmons should have served out his full term. He didn’t. End of story.
As for this being a big deal in Arkansas, public officials have to stand up to the heathen hoards. It goes with the territory.
I have disagreed with your mindset about Huckabee, but I do acknowledge that a number of people screwed up here. While Huckabee was ultimately responsible, this could have been prevented if others had done their job. They didn’t. They should never have had to even consider making a decision regarding this guy, but when they did, they screwed up. Judges, parole board members, were a part of this. I understand that. I agree with that, but only to a point. Once a guy is in prison, the public is no longer at risk. The guy that facilitates his release is responsible. How many times have we said on this forum, that we wished one time those who let the guy out would get what was coming to them? Well, guess what, Huckabee let that guy out.
As for the officers, there is an unfathomable loss that we cannot fix. I read about them. I didn’t need to. Nobody deserves to be gunned down like that. We don’t even gun down the worst people in our society without due process. These were people who risked their lives every day to ensure safety for others. A lot of people scoff at that. There are hundreds of thousands of LEOs in this nation. Only a relatively small number of them are killed. The problem is, nobody knows when or who it will happen to. Every day these folks go to work with the chance of not comong home. They are targets of criminals. Their job causes them to confront criminals. A lot of people forget this. A lot of people have no clue what it’s like to have to deal with these folks, arrest them, transport them, deal with them in the jail and court system. Arrests involve taking them into custody although they may be armed. It takes gonads to do that, male or female.
And then you see these people you put your life on the line to aprehend, convicted and put away, only to be given clemency. Look, if clemency isn’t the proper word, the result was the same. Without Huckabee’s intervention, this guy would have remained in prison. That’s the sad reality.
For pete’s sake, I’m not “running cover for Huckabee.” I didn’t like him and would only have voted for him unwillingly (as I did for McCain).
My whole point is that this issue is not just Huckabee. He’s over. He’s no longer in office. He won’t be in office ever again.
Why not go after the judge who let this guy make bail, the entire system that regards the largely manufactured special rights of criminals to be more important than those of the non-criminal citizens?
I couldn’t care less about Huckabee, I’m simply sick of hearing every thread on this issue turned into a political-grudge-motivated discussion of something happened 10 years ago and ignores stuff that happened months or even only a couple of weeks ago (the psych evaluation) and was done by people still in office and still employed by the system. Nobody denies that if Huckabee hadn’t commuted the sentence, this guy probably wouldn’t have had the chance to get out. But if even one of those subsequent people had done their job in the intervening years (even though the system is stacked in favor of the criminal), those four officers would probably still be alive.
Livius, I have said what makes sense to me. If it doesn’t to you, that’s okay. I’m not trying to imply anything about you here at all. You have a right to defend Huckabee if you think you should. I just disagree.
I would suggest you write to Huckabee who seems to agree with us that there is something gravely wrong he needs to apologize for.
Excellent.
I guess you haven't noticed that all the violence is directed toward the tea party people or the right wing. Probably because you watch the left wing news. The left is in full force lie saying that the tea party goers are a violent threat when just the opposite is coming to the surface.
I hate to say this about the left wing...I have relatives that are still part of it by tradition...but I hope they pay dearly for allowing these lies to fester. It's wrong...the entire bigoted game is wrong.
I’m printing out that picture of Tina Griswold, so it will remind me years from now the price we pay for going soft on career criminals. Police officers across this country must be so frustrated when liberal judges and liberal pieces of crap like Huckabee release dangerous violent criminals back into society over and over again.
I will NEVER vote for Huckabee under ANY circumstances. Not even for VP. No way. His clemency record in Arkansas is disgustingly liberal and extremely harmful to law-abiding citizens and police officers in all 50 states. And his arrogance lately makes me HATE him just as much as I hate that other fat dirtbag from Arkansas (the impeached one) who pardoned FALN terrorists in 1999 and then Marc Rich in 2001.
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