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E-Mail Fracas Shows Peril of Trying to Spin Science
The New York Times ^ | November 30, 2009 | JOHN TIERNEY

Posted on 11/30/2009 5:19:02 PM PST by ricks_place

If you have not delved into the thousands of e-mail messages and files hacked from the computers of British climate scientists, let me give you the closest thing to an executive summary. It is taken from a file slugged HARRY_READ_ME, which is the log of a computer expert’s long struggle to make sense of a database of historical temperatures. Here is Harry’s summary of the situation:

Aarrggghhh!

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In fact, one skeptic raised this very issue about tree-ring data in a comment posted in 2004 on RealClimate, the blog operated by climate scientists. The comment, which questioned the propriety of “grafting the thermometer record onto a proxy temperature record,” immediately drew a sharp retort on the blog from Michael Mann, an expert at Penn State University:

“No researchers in this field have ever, to our knowledge, ‘grafted the thermometer record onto’ any reconstruction. It is somewhat disappointing to find this specious claim (which we usually find originating from industry-funded climate disinformation Web sites) appearing in this forum.”

Dr. Mann now tells me that he was unaware, when he wrote the response, that such grafting had in fact been done in the earlier cover chart, and I take him at his word. But I don’t see why the question was dismissed so readily, with the implication that only a tool of the fossil-fuel industry would raise it.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aarrggghhh; climategate; copenhagen; cretinhagen; fudge; gigo; globalwarming; gorebullwarming; hadleycru; harryreadme; junkscience
Trying to prevent skeptics from seeing the raw data was always a questionable strategy, scientifically. Now it looks like dubious public relations, too.

Now it is seems wrong but soon it will be prosecute!

1 posted on 11/30/2009 5:19:05 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: xcamel

*ping*


2 posted on 11/30/2009 5:22:36 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: ricks_place

So, its just a ‘fracas’ now, eh?


3 posted on 11/30/2009 5:27:44 PM PST by dodger
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To: ricks_place

So, its just a ‘fracas’ now, eh?


4 posted on 11/30/2009 5:27:52 PM PST by dodger
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To: ricks_place
This marxist author and the rest of his lib commie buddies had better come to understand that THEIR COMMUNIST TAKEOVER PLANS FOR THE WORLD WERE JUST DESTROYED... AND YOUR MOVEMENT WILL SOON FEEL THE ANGER OF A LIED TO AND CHEATED UPON WIFE OR HUSBAND. ALL OF YOU gw ECOTERRORISTS HAVE JUST SEEN YOUR DREAM OF A ONE WORLD COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT DIE FOREVER!

LLS

5 posted on 11/30/2009 5:37:16 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: ricks_place


6 posted on 11/30/2009 5:37:42 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The article links to Watts Up With That...for the New York Times, that is pretty good.


7 posted on 11/30/2009 5:42:15 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: ricks_place

Is the MSM dam cracking in regard to the black out of this debacle?

Wonder when the Gray Hag’s leashed little gelded toy poodles at ABCMSNBCBSCNN will get up the nerve to cover it?


8 posted on 11/30/2009 6:13:20 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: ricks_place
Awesome article.. the wall is breaking.. folks who bemoan this sort of analysis are fools.

This is big.

9 posted on 11/30/2009 6:17:25 PM PST by dalight
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To: Chode
This could be good! Pass the Cheesy Poofs. And I'm NOT fat, I'm big boned!

Mark

10 posted on 11/30/2009 6:44:24 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ricks_place

“Trying to prevent skeptics from seeing the raw data was always a questionable strategy, scientifically...”

Having unsafe sex is a questionable strategy. Destroying the data you’re using to enslave an entire world is outright fraud!


11 posted on 11/30/2009 7:00:19 PM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: MarkL
here ya go...


12 posted on 11/30/2009 7:00:31 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: ricks_place
Now it is seems wrong but soon it will be prosecute!

Please translate the above sentence for us.

13 posted on 11/30/2009 7:38:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Brugmansian
...for the New York Times, that is pretty good.

Gotta agree with that. Frankly, I'm a bit stunned to see an article that comes so close to an outright indictment of fraud in the NY Times.

Could this be something akin to the reaction of a spouse who's suddenly discovered that they've been lied to for years and years?

14 posted on 11/30/2009 7:44:17 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ricks_place
In response to the furor over the climate e-mail messages, there will be more attention than ever paid to those British temperature records

Unless, of course, the records have been destroyed...

They sent poor Harry into the jungle to try to sort out the data. He brought back a database, all adjusted and everything. "Here, see if this suits you," I picture him saying. I keep seeing visions of Marty Feldman as "Igor", with his hunchback, rolling his eyes upward and saying, "It was Abby something... Abby Normal."

15 posted on 11/30/2009 8:27:18 PM PST by Rocky (Obama's ego: The "I's" have it.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

Is the MSM dam cracking in regard to the black out of this debacle?

Wonder when the Gray Hag’s leashed little gelded toy poodles at ABCMSNBCBSCNN will get up the nerve to cover it?
++++++++++++++

I so hope you’re right. It will mean capitulation to the truth - as happened in the ACORN and Van Jones stories - driven by conservative and new media.

I love that second sentence there - funny.


16 posted on 11/30/2009 8:47:00 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: ricks_place; Thunder90; Little Bill; Nervous Tick; 4horses+amule; Desdemona; Fractal Trader; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

17 posted on 11/30/2009 11:31:48 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: ricks_place; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; SideoutFred; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



18 posted on 12/01/2009 3:35:35 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Windflier
Please translate the above sentence for us.

All your emails are belong to us?

19 posted on 12/01/2009 3:44:56 AM PST by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: Windflier

John Tierney,the author, has never drunk the leftist kool-aid.


20 posted on 12/01/2009 4:11:02 AM PST by Clara Lou
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John Tierney,the author, has never drunk the leftist kool-aid.

That's good to hear. I'm still surprised that this article appeared in the NY Times. Is John Tierney one of their resident writers?

21 posted on 12/01/2009 7:11:13 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ricks_place

This is like Piltdown Man but on STEROIDS!!!! And with the hundreds of trillions of $$$$ on the line!!!!

And yet none of the media want to admit that they were duped??? At least the media were happy to blame the one screwy bastard who created Piltdown Man. In this case, their religions won’t let them.


22 posted on 12/01/2009 2:47:21 PM PST by bpjam (If it seems to good to be true, best to shoot it. - Fione Glenanne)
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To: Windflier

Yes, Tierney has written for the NYT for 4-5 years, as I recall.


23 posted on 12/01/2009 3:14:42 PM PST by Clara Lou
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