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Tweaking the Genetic Code: Debunking Attempts to Engineer Evolution
ACTS & FACTS ^ | December 2009 | Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.

Posted on 12/01/2009 9:22:15 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

A new concept making its way through the scientific community holds that just a few key changes in the right genes will result in a whole new life form as different from its progenitor as a bird is from a lizard![1] This idea is being applied to a number of key problems in the evolutionary model, one of which is the lack of transitional forms in both the fossil record and the living (extant) record.

The new concept supposedly adds support to the "punctuated equilibrium" model proposed by the late Harvard paleontologist Stephen J. Gould. Dr. Gould derived his ideas from the research of geneticist Richard Goldschmidt, who believed that evolution proceeded by large influential "macro-mutations" rather than small gradual changes.[2] Goldschmidt affectionately termed this the "Hopeful Monster" theory and the name stuck.[3]

With the longstanding neo-Darwinian model, one would expect to see many transitional organisms representing small gradual changes brought about by random genetic mutations acted upon by natural selection. While this model has many scientific difficulties, the biggest problem is that the entire fossil record is highly discontinuous, with an overwhelming absence of transitional forms between virtually all major taxa. It is quite obvious that the historical record of life does not provide the needed evidence for gradual evolutionary change.

As a paleontologist, Dr. Gould was painfully aware of these pervasive gaps in the fossil record and proposed a controversial evolutionary model in which new life forms arose suddenly, explaining the absence of transitional forms. Since the neo-Darwinian view is the predominant evolutionary model, Gould's idea was never widely accepted.

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1 posted on 12/01/2009 9:22:17 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

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2 posted on 12/01/2009 9:24:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

PS I got a number of PMs asking what happened to me. I was on vacation, and am now catching up on piles of work. Thanks for thinking of me :o)

All the best—GGG


3 posted on 12/01/2009 9:26:33 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

“...with an overwhelming absence of transitional forms between virtually all major taxa. It is quite obvious that the historical record of life does not provide the needed evidence for gradual evolutionary change.”

Ping to that.


4 posted on 12/01/2009 9:28:50 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: scottdeus12

oh contraire, the evos say there are tons of transitionals...NOT BECAUSE THEY EXIST, but because their religion requires it, so they name them transitionals, self fullfilling prophecy at its best.


5 posted on 12/01/2009 9:38:55 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why does an anti-materialist need a vacation?


6 posted on 12/01/2009 9:45:50 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: scottdeus12; GodGunsGuts
The narrative story, one form gradually changing into another with the “missing links” is simply a story, not a testable one so that another story will come along and fit what has been found just as well. And neither will be provable so what is accepted will depend upon the authority of the presenter.
7 posted on 12/01/2009 10:11:25 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: raygunfan

[[the evos say there are tons of transitionals...]]

They point to homological similaritiesd and clai mthem to be transitionals, while ignoring two key points- similar features and systems often arise through wholly different processes, wholly unrelated processes- suggesting not common descent, but unique creation- and two, ignorign the fact that there are vast differecnes biologically between the two supposedly related species- differences which reach into the billions- even the differecnes between the tow suppsoedly most comm,onl;y cited ‘close rel tives are in the billions- biological differences that evolution can not account for- but, we’re told, because the two species share homological similarities like hands, ears etc, these two species are related despite beign able to acco8unt for those vast biological differecnes. Science has mopre than proven the homological argument fails on all fronts- but amazingly, ALL the supposed ‘transitions’ are named as transitions based on superficial homological similarities- which is nothign more than another scientific slight of hand akin to climategate (These scientists making htese claims KNOW evolution can’t account for hte vast biological differecnes, but they hide the coutnerevidence, intimidate those who bring such coutnerevidence to hte table, ridicule, malign, ostracise them, and keep them out of the ‘peer review’ process while feigning innocent to the charges.

Yay science!


8 posted on 12/01/2009 10:18:48 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Same s**t, different bag.

Hoping you sailed off the end of the earth last weekend.


9 posted on 12/01/2009 10:21:22 AM PST by Wacka
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To: Wacka

The world is not flat. When I dig out of the piles of work that yet remain on my desk, perhaps I will explain to you how we know this.


10 posted on 12/01/2009 10:25:59 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Most of the druids who follow your postings are not reachable, nor can they complete even the simplest homework assignments.


11 posted on 12/01/2009 10:46:15 AM PST by blackpacific
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To: scottdeus12
"“...with an overwhelming absence of transitional forms between virtually all major taxa. It is quite obvious that the historical record of life does not provide the needed evidence for gradual evolutionary change.”"

To be kind I have to say that your conclusion is overly simplistic for several reasons:

1) If fossil examples of a pre-macro change parent and a post-macro change offspring were discovered next to one another the relationship would be denied because of a lack of a transitional example.

2) Mutations are not all parametrically uniform, nor are mutation rates linear. They run the gambit from minor and insignificant, to incrementally beneficial, to catastrophic and to significantly beneficial. The distribution between the categories isn't Gaussian and the beneficial nature not always equal within a dynamic environment.

12 posted on 12/01/2009 11:34:42 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: scottdeus12; GodGunsGuts

If you would like to see a few of the many transitional fossils all you need to do is take a trip to a museum and look at Australopithecus, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and Homo sapiens. This is a beautiful series of transitional fossils.

Why do the creationist/i.d crowed keep asking for the evidence whe it is here. All you have to do is go to a museum and see it for yourself.


13 posted on 12/01/2009 12:14:51 PM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

....but but but those are all the same “kinds”....


14 posted on 12/01/2009 12:51:50 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

I am sure that will be the attempted misdirection and avoidance offered up.


15 posted on 12/01/2009 1:00:20 PM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin; ElectricStrawberry; GodGunsGuts; Wacka
”Why do the creationist/i.d crowed keep asking for the evidence when it is here. All you have to do is go to a museum and see it for yourself.”

There is a pretty good (not perfect) site that contains a lot of information on transitional fossils:

http://www.talkorigins.org/

16 posted on 12/01/2009 1:28:39 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; ElectricStrawberry; GodGunsGuts; Wacka

The creationist/i.d crowd discounts thart web site due to the well known “liberal” bias that real science has. You should know by now if you do not belive that that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years you are a facist liberal.


17 posted on 12/01/2009 1:46:23 PM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin; ElectricStrawberry; GodGunsGuts; Wacka
"The creationist/i.d crowd discounts that web site due to the well known “liberal” bias that real science has."

Funny how anything posted by Brian Thomas is taken without question as being delivered by the Burning Bush by some, but anything from a legitimate science source is dismissed the data is even seen. Science deniers are not evil or stupid, they are simply wrong. To those who have been taught since childhood to not question God or test their faith science can be frightening. However, many are highly intelligent and not all are or remain blind ideologues, I've even seen GGG's position moderate over the last year or so.

18 posted on 12/01/2009 1:59:05 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

One day, in the future, archeologists might dig up the bones of one of the wrestlers from WWF, and claim they found another example of Neanderthal man.

I find it odd that scientists claim to find different ‘species’ of ‘man’, due to skull size and shape.

If one were able to duplicate (as a model) the skulls of all humans alive today, there would be a nice bell curve based on size and shape. Yet we are all homo sapiens. Or so they claim.


19 posted on 12/01/2009 4:44:16 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: GodGunsGuts

Welcome back from vacation.

I also see that your ‘opponents’ in debate seem not to have sharpened their communication or debating skills during the lapse, but did find some nice sticks that they chewed the ends off of, to use to poke at you with.


20 posted on 12/01/2009 4:48:42 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
"One day, in the future, archeologists might dig up the bones of one of the wrestlers from WWF, and claim they found another example of Neanderthal man."

Until they checked the DNA and dated the material. Modern forensic archaeological tools are no longer limited to a shovel, whisk broom, and a micrometer.

21 posted on 12/01/2009 4:55:57 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Their tools now are the plaster trowel (see the plaster “skull” of the Lucy animal), the forced fit (Lucy’s crushed pelvis), the artist’s pen (Ardi the composite), and the hopeful hype of Ida (the human ancestor, not human ancestor, the relegation to the basement ancestor of something).


22 posted on 12/01/2009 5:32:58 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

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23 posted on 12/01/2009 5:36:31 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater; GodGunsGuts
"Ethical Use Policy 2. You may quote up to 100 words, rephrase or summarize our information for non-commercial, educational use provided you reference our website each time our information is used."

You used 262 words in your intro in violation of the IRC's policy.......someone owes "Natural Plagiarizer" an apology.

24 posted on 12/01/2009 8:41:13 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; GodGunsGuts

It also says “non-commercial use”. GGG fails this also.


25 posted on 12/01/2009 8:44:26 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: UCANSEE2

Thanks, nice to be back :o)


26 posted on 12/01/2009 10:04:20 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 12/02/2009 9:50:00 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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