Posted on 12/01/2009 12:25:56 PM PST by rhema
Abortion has been around since Ancient Egyptian times. Even before. The difference now is that it’s considered all right and something viably alternative to having children.
Of course, it didn't occur to me that someone might think that I was saying that abortion itself was literally invented during the 1960s in America or any where else, merely that wholesale legal abortion as we know it was created during the 60s and 70s by the pre-boomer generations, primarily by the WWII generation and their parents.
I see now. I’m absolutely amazed at how many have died since then. Is it just me, or has the twentieth century been among the bloodiest in terms of mass murder?
Being more pro-abortion then not back in the day, my eyes were opened when I saw an ultrasound.
Doesn’t say too much for the guy either.
No, it's not just you. History shows that each century has been bloodier than the preceding, largely because our capabilities for waging war have "evolved" in each century, at rates that are almost exponential. This has been coupled with an attitude which inures us to the carnage, as a whole.
The results are not a pretty picture...
the infowarrior
True, but I mean in terms of ideology. WWII was the first in that sense. Admittedly it’s easier to commit bloodshed, but I also meant in terms of the systematic genocide. It’s like some demon got loose and really did a lot of damage; I have no other explanation for it.
Nothing like the Holocaust has happened before. Each and every since decade during this century has had one madman after another do one heinous thing after another. Mao, Stalin, Lenin even, Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Manson, decade by decade. Then Rwanda, the Kurds, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Mugabe, all these lunatics. During WWII it was also the Rape of Nanking, Bataan, the cruelty in Manchuria, the Imperial Japanese, everyone.
This has to be the only century that has had so many crazies and two world wars no less. Wholesale industrial destruction that included rape, torture, and who knows what else, science experiments on innocents, that was during the Holocaust alone. All of it systematic and then carefully carried out methodically. All this destruction and while stuff like, as you have said, has progressed, I would have to say that on the whole, the twentieth century will stand out as one of the worst in mankind’s history.
All other wars and slaughters have been war related and war was usually over territory, not over the worship of a particular doctrine that deliberately killed innocent people as part of something enforced by the state. We’re not really becoming inured, as we simply expect stuff like this to happen. I really don’t know how the world is going to keep this up, mainly because I couldn’t imagine it getting worse.
No one saw any of it coming as the new century dawned. Monarchies fell, so much death, and now we have a new century to expect who knows what.
I say they’ve managed to live a life of choice without personal consequnces. Now we are paying for it in full.
WWII was the culmination of several "tipping points" which reached back through the preceding centuries. The first of which was circa 1462, when the first crude man-portable gunpowder weapons were deployed. The next several centuries, up until 1805 were in perfecting the basic concept of the rifle. That year saw the invention of the fulminate of mercury percussion cap which made repeating firearms viable.This fundamentally altered the nature of warfare from close up and personal hand to hand fighting, to a more stand off mode.
The next "tipping points" were not so much technological, but psychological, and strategic. Belligerents would fight locally, but the concept of a conflict with a truly global dimension would not occur until the Napoleonic wars of 1805-1815. Prior, the colonies and interests of an adversary would be attacked, but more as targets of opportunity, rather than as a strategic concept. Napoleon changed that. Another concept which surfaced in the late 18th, early 19th century was the "Enlightenment" which proffered no higher power than Man and his Reason, which sad to say, is often faulty. An adversary would soon ceased to be seen as a fellow "child of God", and more of a Nietchzean "untermenschen".
This led to the idea of "total war" (pioneered right here in the US, in the Civil War), and the "internment", or "concentration camp". The expression here were "Indian Reservations", and in the Boer War of the end of the 19th century as "concentration camp". These were deliberately waging war on civilian non-combatants. While they reached full expression in the 20th century, the seeds were planted beforehand, until technology could catch up to the implementation.
In a sense you're right a demon, or several, did get loose, but that loosing was not in the 20th century, but beforehand. They could only do their evil through the hands of men, and so had to wait, and teach man the technology which supported the evil, before it could be unleashed...
the infowarrior
BTW: Prior to Roe V. Wade, many of the illegal abortion clinics in the northeast were owned by La Cosa Nostra, so your use of the term "mafia" is appropriate.
Nonsense. The Boomers provided the shock troops and the numbers. That’s like saying slavery was defeated by 1840s abolitionists.
Nonsense yourself, teenagers and two year olds were not shock troops, if you want troops then look at who was 15 to 25 in 1960.
Trace the legislation, the Supreme Court decisions the institutional leadership, Hollywood and TV news, it was all the much older grown ups, even older in almost all cases than the “silent generation”.
Do you really think that the two year olds and the teenagers today are doing anything to us, or are we all doing it to them? Children have never run the nation, it has always been the 40 to 70 year olds.
I read over my post again and am wondering where this diatribe about abortion came from.
There is a cultural war going on and women are caught squarely in the middle because they are essential to our future.
On one side is the Western Left who wish to thwart nature. They want sex without consequences. The result is increasingly intractable STDs and declining birthrates, which must be made up for by importing people from places that do not value our freedoms and culture.
On the other side is Islamism. They blasphemously claim that God stipulates that women should be held as ignorant, disenfranchised, breeding livestock.
If Western civilization is to survive — and indeed be worthy of survival — we must obey the Laws of Nature. These are to be discovered, not made. If we continue with behaviors that essentially select ourselves for extinction, well, what do you expect?
I am not arguing that abortion should be made illegal; I never brought the subject up. IMO, abortion is one of those Leftist means to an end that can be significantly curbed merely by exposure.
Culturally, we also need to consider what attributes contribute to our survival and which undermine it. Those who engage in behaviors that demonstrably threaten us all should at the very least be stigmatized for it — just as is the case now for racists.
If you are making babies with multiple women and abandoning them, you should be shamed for it. As it stands now, if anything, such men are lionized, while men who eschew promiscuity are often regarded as freaks.
I appreciate your excellant, reasoned and articulate post.
Much more clear than my diatribe.
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