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Donald Prothero’s Imaginary Evidence for Evolution (yet another evo hoax!)
Evolution News & Views ^ | December 1, 2009 | Jonathan Wells, Ph.D.

Posted on 12/01/2009 6:39:06 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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1 posted on 12/01/2009 6:39:07 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/01/2009 6:40:00 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Global warming “scientists” and evo “scientists”...one and the same.


3 posted on 12/01/2009 6:41:55 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (Don't send a boy to do a man's job, send a woman--Sarah 2012!)
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To: Longhair_and_Leather

I couldn’t agree more! Although, seeing what the “theory” of evolution has done to society, I would argue that the Darwin’s evo-atheist fairytale has done (and will continue to do) far more damage to civilization.


4 posted on 12/01/2009 6:44:41 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You can prove evolution is a lie in one sentence. I won’t stick to just one sentence, but you could if you weren’t given to talking too much.

It is a random process, right? Mutations and selective breeding over countless years.

So where are all of evolution’s failures(that’s the one sentence, btw)? Show me the fossil of just one “impossible creature.” There should be an entire branch of science dedicated to them. For every random success...there should be a billion, a trillion, a gajillion failures.


5 posted on 12/01/2009 6:46:19 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

They’re called dinosaurs.


6 posted on 12/01/2009 6:50:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Spike Knotts

You nailed it. The fossil record is still the biggest enemy of the neo-Darwinian synthesis. Add to that the incredible, evolution-defying discoveries we are making molecular and cell biology, and it is no wonder that so many evos are abandoning the HMS Beagle in search of a new God-denying evolutionary ship!


7 posted on 12/01/2009 6:50:17 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

(Hey, cool! Prandtl-Glauert condensation!)

But, in case you think there were no blind alleys:

Cheers!

8 posted on 12/01/2009 6:51:05 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.http://www.boei)
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To: cripplecreek
You mean all those giant creatures that were buried alive by a massive cataclysmic event???
9 posted on 12/01/2009 6:52:15 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
You mean all those giant creatures that were buried alive by a massive cataclysmic event???

That, and that they all randomly occured without a (somewhat) intelligent designer.
10 posted on 12/01/2009 6:56:54 PM PST by Dr. Sivana
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To: grey_whiskers

I’ll take the P-51!


11 posted on 12/01/2009 6:57:13 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL you really are no different than the climatologists. Who said the dinosaurs were all buried alive at the same time? Don’t tell me “scientists” because you would have to lie to do it.


12 posted on 12/01/2009 6:57:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

And to think they were all designed by pond scum + lightening + random processes + survival...Amazing!


13 posted on 12/01/2009 7:02:10 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: cripplecreek

Are you saying that the dinos were not killed off in a massive catachlismic event of global proportions?


14 posted on 12/01/2009 7:04:39 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Yet there is no evidence that eighteen-winged dragonflies ever existed. There are lots of dragonflies in the fossil record, but none of them remotely resemble this fictitious creature.

No matter. In what Michael Shermer calls “the best book ever written on the subject,” Donald Prothero simply makes up whatever evidence he wants.

So now they've taken to writing science fiction to support the ToE? They actually have to make up imaginary animals to justify it?

This is desperation....

15 posted on 12/01/2009 7:06:18 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: cripplecreek

What evidence do you have that “dinosaurs” weren’t evolutionarily viable?

What made them “impossible creatures?” Was there a dinosaur with a brick for wings, instead of an airfoil? Amazing that “evolution” could accidentally get the laws of aerodynamics correct. Wonder where all the fossils are from animals that had shapes that weren’t airworthy? Must have been literally billions of them before it “accidentally” got it right.

Was there a dinosaur who eschewed traditional bony armor (which is itself quite a concept...how did “evolution” discover that armor was...well...armor?) in favor of bacon? How about the dinosaur evolution evolved into an efficient breeder/feeder that used its own testicles for baiting other carnivores(the females went hungry)?

Your same evolutionist scientists claim the dinosaurs died out to a major catastrophic event...as you well know. Now they’re claiming that dinosaurs became birds. So even your cult leaders don’t claim that dinosaurs weren’t viable.

In other words, you don’t know jack s**t. But you have seen a little on TV.


16 posted on 12/01/2009 7:07:33 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: cripplecreek

And speaking of the scientists who fabricated the phony global warming scare, last I checked they also happen to be fanatical evos who have made “mother earth” their god, and charlie darwin its messenger.


17 posted on 12/01/2009 7:13:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: cripplecreek; Spike Knotts

How about the intermediate species. The ones with the half formed wings or fins? Or, *snicker* eighteen wings?

Explain the Cambrian Explosion, where there is the sudden appearance of fully formed fossils. Where are the fossils of the creatures that led up to them?


18 posted on 12/01/2009 7:14:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

They have been making stuff up for a long time...far longer than the global warming alarmists and the AIDS alarmists combined. Unfortunately, it’s hard for the average person to go beyond authority, think for themselves, and realize that the evos have been actively duping them for the last 150 years.


19 posted on 12/01/2009 7:16:15 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I wonder how long it will be before the pictures of the 18 winged dragonflies make it into high school textbooks.


20 posted on 12/01/2009 7:17:41 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
No they were not, they ate themselves out of house and home, took about 30,000 years.
21 posted on 12/01/2009 7:19:43 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: metmom

I’d love to have an 18 winged dragonfly for a pet. Maybe someday they’ll discover an artist’s conception of one sealed in tree sap, and using that and the magic that is evolution we can all wish hard enough and it will pop back into existence. Just like every other amazing creature on Earth did.


22 posted on 12/01/2009 7:20:30 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: metmom

Well seeing how it is being billed as “the best book ever written on the subject”, I would not be surprised if it is required reading in many college and university classes already.


23 posted on 12/01/2009 7:22:05 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: cripplecreek; GodGunsGuts

You would be interested in considering actually commenting on the article instead of starting off on a personal attack on GGG, would you?

Like, what do you think about the guy making up stuff like 18 winged dragonflies to posit his theory?

Or why evos would suggest the existence of a four winged fruit fly as an ancestor to the two winged one with nothing to support it? And why, if the two winged one works so well, the four winged one evolved in the first place?


24 posted on 12/01/2009 7:22:55 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: org.whodat

So you mean to tell me the scientists were wrong for the past oh, 100 years? Because I’m pretty sure it was pushed as the gospel that the dinosaurs were wiped out by some cataclysmic event.

Wow...untold eons to accidentally develop all that you are, and then you die out in what amounts to a blink of an eye in geological terms. Evolution pretty stupid for a genius.


25 posted on 12/01/2009 7:24:27 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: grey_whiskers

All your picture seem to be some form of intelligent design. Or were they once Volkswagen bugs that became flying machines?


26 posted on 12/01/2009 7:25:00 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Spike Knotts

I, on the other hand...am just stupid for a person of average intelligence.

Should have read...Evolution is pretty stupid for a genius...


27 posted on 12/01/2009 7:26:06 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: org.whodat

You seem awfully confident about the dinos going extinct as a result of starvation. On what basis do you conclude that this is a historical fact?


28 posted on 12/01/2009 7:26:42 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s Dino Week on The Discovery Channel.


29 posted on 12/01/2009 7:29:47 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

Ah, there is nothing quite like Discovery Channel just-so storytelling!


30 posted on 12/01/2009 7:31:46 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

Hit and run. Happens all the time.


31 posted on 12/01/2009 7:32:38 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Did I use the word starvation. NO !! Most animal will die of disease long before they starve to death. Malnutrition leads to disease.
32 posted on 12/01/2009 7:42:45 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Ok, so on what basis are you concluding that the extinction of the dinos by malnutrition and disease is an historical fact?


33 posted on 12/01/2009 7:46:36 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Not your teacher!!!


34 posted on 12/01/2009 7:47:54 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat; GodGunsGuts

Fer cryin’ out loud! Can’t an evo ever answer a simple question?!?!?!


35 posted on 12/01/2009 7:49:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; org.whodat; GodGunsGuts

This is literally the most retarded exchange involving evolution I think I’ve ever seen. “Not your teacher” indeed.

I truly believe that the rank and file who believe in evolution do so because they’re too dimwitted to grasp the wonderful engineering and seemingly impossible variety of life.


36 posted on 12/01/2009 7:52:05 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: org.whodat

Obviously not! But I’m not asking you to teach, I’m asking you to justify your blanket statement that the dinos went extinct as a result of starvation and disease.


37 posted on 12/01/2009 7:56:01 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

Stop the childish name calling stupid. What in hell is an EVO anyway: When you finish these get back to me; http://web.me.com/dinoruss/publications.html


38 posted on 12/01/2009 7:56:33 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: metmom

Stop the childish name calling stupid. What in hell is an EVO anyway: When you finish these get back to me; http://web.me.com/dinoruss/publications.html


39 posted on 12/01/2009 7:56:38 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Spike Knotts
I don't think it's necessarily dimwittedness...I think they are committed to a nature-religioun that has made the universe its god (and darwin its randomly selected messenger).
40 posted on 12/01/2009 8:01:58 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: guitarplayer1953
Just inspired by the picture of the many-winged dragonfly, it reminded me of the old (unsuccessful, pre-Wright Brothers) airplanes.

Cheers!

41 posted on 12/01/2009 8:02:42 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.http://www.boei)
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To: metmom

LOL! Perhaps next time an evo has a specific question about creation, we should just refer them to an entire creation science website!


42 posted on 12/01/2009 8:04:53 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: org.whodat
Looks like solid proof to me...


43 posted on 12/01/2009 8:05:20 PM PST by NewLand (We shall all hang together or most assuredly we will all hang separately)
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To: org.whodat

Ah, the much respected “Joe’s Gems” repository. If you need a gem, think Joe’s Gems. Apparently when Joe isn’t busy creating his website for his gem store, he is reviewing dinosaur books.

What exactly do a bunch of book reviews have to do with anything?

You know what I think? I think you googled “help i ned to no if teh dinosours ate well” and that is what came up...and since it looked like an imposing bunch of information, you tried to just throw it out there without actually even understanding what it was.

So once again...what do a bunch of book reviews have to do with anything?


44 posted on 12/01/2009 8:06:18 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: org.whodat

For all the years the term has been used as an abbreviation for EVOlutionist, as you well know, all of a sudden, evos are taking exception to the term and acting like they’ve gone brain dead and don’t know what it means and that it’s an insult instead of a descriptive term.

So, as I’ve asked before and not received an answer, exactly what is it that supporters of evolution would prefer to be called?

They don’t like Darwinists. Won’t accept IDers.
Dawkinsists, maybe? Natural selectionists? Materialists? Anti-God-ists?


45 posted on 12/01/2009 8:06:18 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s why I said the rank and file. Joe Sixpack. Evos themselves are Marxists, in my opinion, and their goal is to destroy or discredit religion.


46 posted on 12/01/2009 8:07:41 PM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: org.whodat
From your link.....

2003. Acrylic on stretched canvas. 18"x24".

A split second after launching itself from a tree, a tiny dromaeosaur named Microraptor gui begins spreading its feathered limbs. Whether or not it is an evolutionary "missing link" between dinosaurs and birds, one thing is fairly certain: it could glide through the air like a flying squirrel.

Whether or not? Fairly certain?

A painting? Is this the best we can expect in support of the ToE?

And we should accept the ToE as a fact for what reason?

47 posted on 12/01/2009 8:10:47 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Spike Knotts

Maybe they would prefer *Marxists* to *evos* (which they had been called for years before they decided to get their panties in a wad over it)


48 posted on 12/01/2009 8:21:40 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"Crick and Orgel wrote in their book 'Life Itself,' "an honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going."

Crick is one of my scientific heroes. Now I have lots of new leads to pursue, find I'm not alone, and other scientists question it as well, but some of this work may turn out to be outdated.

First I'll have to figure out who came up with that quote, got it from an evolution vs. creationism debate on youtube.

Some FReepers act like you're ignorant if you don't accept evolution unquestioningly which seems to be the dominating thought out there.

49 posted on 12/01/2009 8:27:56 PM PST by Aliska
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To: GodGunsGuts

Psuedo-science hoaxes are in vogue these days.

Global Warming

Evolution

Egalitarian / Homosexual ‘sexuality’


50 posted on 12/01/2009 8:28:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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