Posted on 12/01/2009 7:13:17 PM PST by cycle of discernment
Wrong. Those creeps were all a couple of years younger than I. Baez married a kid who had been in my younger cousin’s Cub Scout Den, David Harris. Peter, Paul, & Mary were probably older, but they’d lived a fast life in the East.
Younger, younger, younger — but oh, so precocious and rebelious. Kids in my class (and I went to UC Berkeley) were all much more conservative than those who were 4-5 years younger. Much. Berkeley was all “I Like Ike” when I was there.
I moved back to Berkeley as a young married woman a few years later, and I didn’t recognize the place. And yes, I sent my first (and last) telegram at the behest of my church opposing Ronald Reagan when he was considering signing the Bill to legalize abortion. I couldn’t believe he actually did it.
But, then (after a taste of Johnson and Carter) I forgave him when he acknowledged that signing that Bill was the biggest mistake he ever made and that he’d never sign such a Bill again. Of course, by then it was a moot point because the US SC had decided R v Wade.
Not wrong at all, all of those people and many more were born 1925 to 1945, that is the silent generation, the Boomers are those born from 1946 to 1964, according to the United States Census Bureau and GAO.
The silent generation, the one you said that you belonged to were the 15 to 35 olds in 1960.
“it has been wrecking the lives of women ever since”
Starting with the women created because of it.
“...dismissed as prudes suffering from a permanent moral panic-attack.”
And it has so captured the public that even “conservatives” declare the same things.
“As we’re seeing with Islam, where the males dominate, the society thrives”
Doesn’t fly. In truth, MOST societies are “male-dominated”, and that includes backward, primitive, nasty cultures.
“everything in the sixties was done by the previous generations, none of it was created or led by the kids”
Yes, but it was the “kids” who lock-stock-barrel FELL for it. They were the WATERSHED generation, if you will, that wholesale bought and promulgated it.
No question in my mind about that.
After all, they were raised on Dr. Spock, which said they could do any damn thing they wanted without (real) consequence.
Obviously, there were Beatniks and other communist losers amongst the elders who pushed their ideas; but it wasn’t until the hippie (NOT the disco side, which really has nothing to do with the early part of the “Boomer” division) generation that the majority of society seemed unable to say “I love America”, at least without qualification and “...but...” At that point and then on, there has been amongst other things, a real cynicism and downright hatred of their own birthright in society as a whole, whereas before the ‘60s, the rule was “America is great”. (That’s just an example of the attitude change.)
The sixties are the people listed in post 40 and Walter Cronkite and Lyndon Johnson and college Presidents and the record managers etc, not the babies and the five year olds and the ones barely old enough to vote in the first election of their life in 1968.
Can you imagine someone trying to sell that nonsense today, everyone would laugh, yeah right, we aren’t running America, the ten and twenty year olds are.
By the way, I don’t know how much you love America, but almost 9 1/2 million boomers served in the military, and in 1972 the 18 to 29 year old vote went for Nixon by a wide margin.
“Doesn’t fly. In truth, MOST societies are “male-dominated”, and that includes backward, primitive, nasty cultures.”
It depends on your definition of “thrives”...to me it means that there will still be a lot of people of the same culture, with the same values, in 100 years (as we thrived for hundreds of years). In 100 years, white Europe will be DEAD, much of free Asia will also be DEAD. America may or may not be around, and Islam will cover at least half of the world (barring major wars).
My point, I guess, is that all the blame is placed on women. Women bear a large share of the responsibility, yes. But men are part of the culture, too. And ultimately, women will become what men expect and want them to become. Or else they’ll give up men, which has happened to a lot of women who refuse to have illicit sex. Men often refuse to take responsibility for illicit sex, and it does take two to tango. And women are usually more damaged by these relationships men.
One more sore point - men who buy into the abortion argument that “women should have a right to do what they want with their own bodies.” I love to take on men who give this argument. It usually leaves them speechless.
And —the cultural and family message that — you can be whatever you want doesn’t help. Usually, you can’t.
That’s nice and true, but the truth is a too-large segment of the “Boomer” (specifically, from the ELDER Boomer) set called HIPPIES made a lot of noise and got very involved in all aspects of public life, early, to the point of totally turning our society upside down, probably irrevocably absent some major catastrophe.
It couldn’t have been done without these dupes.
I primarily blame Dr. Spock and the make-nice people who slavishly followed his doctrine.
Your generation was the Jane Fonda, John Denver, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Peter Paul & Mary, Grace Slick, Neil Young , Beatles, Van Morrison, Joan Baez, Jerry Garcia, Pete Townsend, Joe Cocker, Judy Collins, Jimmy Page, Janis Joplin, Bob Dylan, Williams Ayers, Chicago Seven, Rod Stewart,etc, etc, etc, the crowd that ranged in age from 15 to 35 in 1960. They created and popularized the new order — free sex, drugs, multiple sexual partners, etc. — and made it the norm. Older than them were the people running the nation into the ground with legislation and court activism.
Not a boomer among them and what went wrong in the 1960s was the fault of everyone but the boomers.
Whatever is going wrong in America today is not the fault of anyone under the age of 23. In 1969 at the end of the decade, boomers ranged in age from boomer, Sarah Palin’s 5 years, to the ripe old age of 23 and all the years in between like 6 and 7 and 8 and 9, and 12 and 13 and 17.
Some did, others, did not. I was one of those who did not. I have, as they say, "marched to the beat of my own drummer" pretty much all my life. Part of that drumbeat was to eschew casual sex, and drug use, for the most part. I never really considered it 'the norm', but an unhealthy aberration...
the infowarrior
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