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The Case for Jeb Bush Entering the 2012 Race (massive barf alert)
Race42012 ^ | 2009-12-01

Posted on 12/01/2009 8:51:22 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Jeb Bush is unique in that he is both unknown and known. He can certainly win a GOP primary, and can raise the money to compete with frontrunners Palin and Romney. I think Jeb will be getting more involved over the next several months, starting with the Florida senate primary. I also think Cheney is a Jeb proxy, and that his attacks are meant to undermine Obama while moving the country back into the Bush/Cheney policy direction, awaiting a new leader to take the torch from the former Vice President. Remember, Cheney earlier this year, unprompted, suggested he would support Jeb Bush for president in 2012. Considering that there are significant people in the party harping about a Cheney run, as well as a media fascination with such a run, coupled with the realty that a 71 year old with a bad heart simply will not run, opens the door to Jeb Bush taking up the mantle in 2012. Bush would fill that media desire to clash Obama with Cheney, only enhancing it.

With Huckabee and Palin potentially sitting out in 2012, there is a huge opening for someone to take up the anti-Romney position. Bush, with his vast network of connections, his organizing potential, and the generation of political chits collected by the Bush family, puts Jeb in as good a position as a Pawlenty or a Daniels to make a bid and challenge Romney. Now if Palin runs, and the field fills up, then Jeb will likely wait until 2016, or simply stay out of public life and let his son, George P. Bush (nicknamed 47 by the family) take up the presidential legacy down the line.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; bush; bush2012; bushdynasty; bushfamily; jebbush; rino; romneyreplacement
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NO MORE RINOS!

I will not vote for another Bush ever again!

1 posted on 12/01/2009 8:51:24 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !


2 posted on 12/01/2009 8:52:26 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: rabscuttle385

>>I will not vote for another Bush ever again!<<

So, michell obama in 2016 for you? I mean, look how great sticking to our ideological guns has worked out so far. 11 months of “hope and change” brought to you by ideological purists.

The perfect is the MORTAL ENEMY of the good.


3 posted on 12/01/2009 8:54:36 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rabscuttle385
I will not vote for another Bush ever again!

I will never vote for another Bush! Period.

4 posted on 12/01/2009 8:54:52 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: freedumb2003
The perfect is the MORTAL ENEMY of the good.

I'm not asking for perfect; I'm asking simply for something that is good instead of just less evil than pure evil.

5 posted on 12/01/2009 8:55:38 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Bush family has brought us from Reagan to not having a single lever of power in national politics. They have done enough damage.

No Thanks!


6 posted on 12/01/2009 8:55:55 PM PST by RJL
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To: rabscuttle385

LOL! I love closed minds!


7 posted on 12/01/2009 8:58:52 PM PST by doc1019 (Obama, not so much.)
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To: rabscuttle385

So Obama vs Jeb in 2012?

Good god... could it get any worse?


8 posted on 12/01/2009 8:59:00 PM PST by jerry557
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To: rabscuttle385

Not even for dogcatcher.


9 posted on 12/01/2009 8:59:09 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: All

No more Bushes. Both Bush president were never movement conservatives. They both used capitalism as their scapegoat. As the result the movement was hurt from it


10 posted on 12/01/2009 9:03:42 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: freedumb2003
"The perfect is the MORTAL ENEMY of the good."

Is that you Newt?

11 posted on 12/01/2009 9:04:19 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: rabscuttle385

No more same old same old.

This is your last chance with me, GOP.


12 posted on 12/01/2009 9:04:22 PM PST by chris37
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To: rabscuttle385

No more Bush’s. Never again!


13 posted on 12/01/2009 9:05:15 PM PST by ShuShu
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, Jeb is no rino,. He would have to go hard right to prove it, but it would be an easier move for him than Romney. He was a better governor—and more conservative—than Romney or his brother.


14 posted on 12/01/2009 9:06:13 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: rabscuttle385

>>I’m not asking for perfect; I’m asking simply for something that is good instead of just less evil than pure evil.<<

Bush wasn’t evil — just short-sighted (which can and did have evil results).

Look at the field — Sarah may be mortally wounded going into it. The entire (R) field which ran for 2008 are all 100% flawed. Our only hope was Thompson and he ended up being a wussy. Where can we look? As bad as the numbers are for teh kenyan one, we can’t mount up anyone.

Gingrich? Dead to most of us after NY 23. Steele? Please — more of a RINO than Bush ever was. Jindal? had his chance and put a big old post-it note on his forehead reading “lightweight.”

Unless someone like DeMint gets some serious obama-like traction soon, we may have to fall back to Jeb.

If you have someone in mind, now is the time. Else, it will be shelly o against Joe Schlabotnick in 2016...


15 posted on 12/01/2009 9:08:28 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Mike Pence and John Thune. You’re welcome.


16 posted on 12/01/2009 9:09:52 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: rabscuttle385

Watch out because the NWO will promote their people & when it all ends up you ONLY have 2 candidates that are in the corrupt “Two-Party Cartel”. Oh how they have it set up for the indoctrinated sheeple that the other faction in this cartel is so evil that your only choice is a vote for the other faction, which is owned also by the same satanic elites.


17 posted on 12/01/2009 9:10:02 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Nonstatist

No more musical chairs between the Clintons and Bushes and now Obamas. We could probably randomly pick people out of phone books for the president and congress and get better results. The current leadership is so disconnected from the public that they think we are here to serve them and nothing more than useful dupes.


18 posted on 12/01/2009 9:10:52 PM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Not even for dogcatcher.

Take a look at your next president

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Isn't absolutism grand?

19 posted on 12/01/2009 9:11:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: steel_resolve
Mike Pence and John Thune. You’re welcome.

Seeing as how I am only passingly familiar with Pence and have no idea who Thune is and I am politically plugged in, you have a big mountain to climb...

I am not saying we need Jeb -- I am saying we need realpoltik..

20 posted on 12/01/2009 9:12:59 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hardly worth discussing.

It’ll never happen after 12 years of Bush I & II. The country simply will not stand for it, no matter what a great guy Jeb may happen to be.

Better to set your hopes for the next Bush on Jenna or Barbara Bush.

It’s gonna take that long (or longer) for the legacies of GHWB and GWB to diminish enough so that people will even consider voting for someone from that family again.


21 posted on 12/01/2009 9:14:18 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rabscuttle385
“The Case for Jeb Bush Entering the 2012 Race”

NO! JUST NO!

22 posted on 12/01/2009 9:14:42 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: freedumb2003
"I mean, look how great sticking to our ideological guns has worked out so far."
If you are so hot on people giving up on their beliefs, why don't you give up on your RINO beliefs and join us conservatives so we all win?
23 posted on 12/01/2009 9:15:17 PM PST by Souled_Out (Our hope is in the power of God working through the hearts of people.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I am really sick of family dynasty politicians.

Should only a Kennedy replace Ted Kennedy?

Same with the Bush family.

Enough already.


24 posted on 12/01/2009 9:17:22 PM PST by earlJam
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To: Nonstatist

Don’t forget:

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Fudge no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 12/01/2009 9:19:09 PM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: rabscuttle385

Poppy ushered in Perot and the Clintons.

W ushered in the dem congress, mccain, and the obamas.

No third strike!!


26 posted on 12/01/2009 9:20:56 PM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: freedumb2003
Look at the field — Sarah may be mortally wounded going into it.

Baloney. You want to believe the state-run media, or your lying eyes?

27 posted on 12/01/2009 9:21:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rabscuttle385

We need, for one time only, to take Jesse Jackson’s advice: Stay out da Bushes!


28 posted on 12/01/2009 9:21:17 PM PST by jocon307
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To: freedumb2003
I really like Thune. It wouldn't be hard for you to check his record.

There are two other men that I really like: Duncan Hunter in CA, and Inhofe in OK.

29 posted on 12/01/2009 9:21:27 PM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Souled_Out

>>If you are so hot on people giving up on their beliefs, why don’t you give up on your RINO beliefs and join us conservatives so we all win?<<

You’re not really picking up what I am putting down here, are you? We need the most Conservative candidates we can find up and down the ticket! We should NEVER cease that pursuit. But when all is said and done, we then need to look to the least bad option.

Sadly, too many “purists” turned their nose up because they were too ideologically “pure” to stoop to an obvious RINO like McCain.

That worked great, didn’t it?


30 posted on 12/01/2009 9:22:05 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rabscuttle385

I seem to recall that 1928 was the last time the Republicans won the White House without having a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket.

What’s Julie doing now?


31 posted on 12/01/2009 9:22:11 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The High Poobahs are trying the same old crap again!


32 posted on 12/01/2009 9:22:52 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: rabscuttle385

Vote for a Bush? Oh sure...

I’m also considering moving into a home that has 50 illegals aliens living next door, that like pit bulls and mariachi music.

Let the good times roll!


33 posted on 12/01/2009 9:24:57 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: rabscuttle385

NOOOOOO!!!


34 posted on 12/01/2009 9:25:06 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: rabscuttle385

America is NOT supposed to have grand aristocrat families that hand power down, our Founding Fathers would shudder at the thought of the Rockefellers, Roosevelts, Kennedeys and Bushes. Enough!


35 posted on 12/01/2009 9:25:27 PM PST by moodyskeptic (the counterculture votes R)
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To: freedumb2003
So, michell obama in 2016 for you? I mean, look how great sticking to our ideological guns has worked out so far. 11 months of “hope and change” brought to you by ideological purists.

The perfect is the MORTAL ENEMY of the good.


If the Republicans want Obama then they will nominate the same old same again.

You see, it is their job to put up candidates that their party will vote for. It is not our job to vote for "a yellow dog" if they put it up to run.

I am not to blame for Obama being in office. The Republican Party is to blame for nominating John McCain.

That was an error.

They should not repeat that. Because I will NOT vote for McCain II any more than I voted for McCain I.
36 posted on 12/01/2009 9:25:48 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: rabscuttle385

Sarah is set to beat Romney head to head for the nomination - having Jeb there will simply draw votes from Romney and make it that much easier for Sarah - and help us get this process over sooner, rather than later.


37 posted on 12/01/2009 9:25:54 PM PST by BobL (Real Men don't use Tag Lines)
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To: RobbyS

Not on amnesty he isn’t.


38 posted on 12/01/2009 9:26:19 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: freedumb2003

“Seeing as how I am only passingly familiar with Pence and have no idea who Thune is and I am politically plugged in...”

How many politically plugged in people had never heard of Barak Obama three years ago? How many had never heard of Bill Clinton when he was gov. of Ark. Or Palin? Or even Bush, pere, before he was veep?

In this new media age you can go from complete obscurity to household name in a day.


39 posted on 12/01/2009 9:27:30 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Windflier

>>Baloney. You want to believe the state-run media, or your lying eyes?<<

I love Sarah. But I am realistic enough to see that she MAY (note I said may) never be able to travel the road we need her for. Thank that jerk McCain for shoving her in front of the curtain before she even had a few minutes to get prepped.

But reality is reality.

Why in the h3ll am I fighting all of you on this thread? Does this “reality” thing have any effect on your lives?

Be pure — give us 20 or 30 years of democratic rule resulting in the removal of capitalism and the USC! And then get together and glad hand each other and smile and say to one another “I was a PURE Conservative — I didn’t vote for any dang RINO!”

That and $5 (plus the new 2017 michelle obama $4.50 coffee tax) will get you a Starbucks latte to enjoy the victory your pure hearts have earned.


40 posted on 12/01/2009 9:28:34 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jocon307

>>How many politically plugged in people had never heard of Barak Obama three years ago? How many had never heard of Bill Clinton when he was gov. of Ark. Or Palin? Or even Bush, pere, before he was veep?

In this new media age you can go from complete obscurity to household name in a day.
<<

That, my FRiend, is my feverent hope. We need a white night aright quick.


41 posted on 12/01/2009 9:29:46 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
But when all is said and done, we then need to look to the least bad option.

The least bad option is to teach your party to represent your beliefs.

Sometimes that teaching process is very painful for all involved.....like this four years.

The unruly child that is the Republican Party got spanked. If it does not alter its behavior it will get spanked again. And again. And again.

It is not our job to give the party candy when it misbehaves.

I am sorry that our bottom hurts and that it is red and tender. There is a way to stop that from happening. It does not include John McCain or Jeb Bush.
42 posted on 12/01/2009 9:30:31 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Soul Seeker

I grant you that. If I were him I would run for the senate and taken the stance that Rubio has. Like the rest of his family is is not really a conservative. He won’t go against his father.


43 posted on 12/01/2009 9:30:50 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Arkinsaw

>>They should not repeat that. Because I will NOT vote for McCain II any more than I voted for McCain I.<<

Thanks for giving us obama. Any other “help” you would like to offer to keep yourself ideologically pure? Maybe move to California and help keep Boxer and Pelosi in power? I am sure there are many extreme liberals that need your help to keep them in office.


44 posted on 12/01/2009 9:32:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Arkinsaw

>>I am sorry that our bottom hurts and that it is red and tender. There is a way to stop that from happening. It does not include John McCain or Jeb Bush.<<

No, it includes barak hussein obama and michelle obama. And that lash is the freedom and money you gave away in the name of your aggrandized sense of personal importance.

Please, don’t help us anymore. The country can’t take any more patriots like you. We will look like Venezuela if you and your ilk continue to vote what passes for your “conscience.”


45 posted on 12/01/2009 9:35:50 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rabscuttle385

No illegal aliens were harmed in making this proposition.


46 posted on 12/01/2009 9:35:54 PM PST by oldbill
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To: rabscuttle385
I also think Cheney is a Jeb proxy, and that his attacks are meant to undermine Obama while moving the country back into the Bush/Cheney policy direction, awaiting a new leader to take the torch from the former Vice President.

Excellent point -- and I'm smacking myself on the forehead for not having seen it. The Bushes and Cheneys are of the same cloth. They trust each other. They share the same core principles and a good number of the same friends and associates. Of course Cheney is a proxy for Jeb. It makes perfect sense.

47 posted on 12/01/2009 9:36:48 PM PST by kittykat77
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To: rabscuttle385
Jeb Bush is unique in that he is both unknown and known. He can certainly win a GOP primary, and can raise the money to compete with frontrunners Palin and Romney. I think Jeb will be getting more involved over the next several months, starting with the Florida senate primary. I also think Cheney is a Jeb proxy, and that his attacks are meant to undermine Obama while moving the country back into the Bush/Cheney policy direction, awaiting a new leader to take the torch from the former Vice President.

Not a chance in h$ll. Jeb knows that America will never elect another Bush to the WH . . . . at least, not in our lifetime. We've had our fill of the political dynasties and he has less than a snowball's chance in h$ll of ever winning a single primary.

In addition, it's time to let Cheney be retired. The man is nearly 70 years old and, as much as I respect and admire him, I really don't think he is up for another stint in government. He's doing fine where he is and doing what he is doing.

IMO, in the FWIW department, Palin is clearly the frontrunner to watch and she needs to pick some new blood for her VP. All of the names being trotted out may be sentimental favorites for some folks here, but doing the same thing over and over (with the same people) has gotten us where we are today and still defines insanity. It's time to move forward and stop looking in the rearview mirror.

48 posted on 12/01/2009 9:36:49 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: RobbyS

Jeb would be miserable in the senate. He’s not the “cooperative” type.


49 posted on 12/01/2009 9:38:34 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: freedumb2003
Thanks for giving us obama. Any other “help” you would like to offer to keep yourself ideologically pure? Maybe move to California and help keep Boxer and Pelosi in power? I am sure there are many extreme liberals that need your help to keep them in office.

My vote has to be earned. I don't hand it out for free to anybody who will claim they love me for an hour.

If my vote is not wanted enough to actually nominate a candidate to attract me.....fine. But don't come back after the fact and whine at ME for not handing my vote to your crappy candidate. You are at fault for the crappy candidate.

The customer is always right. The voters are the customers. You didn't get mine.
50 posted on 12/01/2009 9:38:52 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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