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Birthers Return, Compare Obama To An Ape
Mediaite ^ | 12/1/09 | Glynnis MacNicol

Posted on 12/02/2009 8:02:22 AM PST by steve-b

Never fear conspiracy theorists of the world! The Birthers are alive and well and advertising in the pages of the Washington Times. And what an advertisement it is. It's unclear what is more offensive here: the accusation that President Obama is not an American citizen, or the ape imagery. The former, of course, is utterly ridiculous. The latter is not. Also, now Obama is British.

Ape imagery has well-documented racist undertones, making it fairly difficult to miss the subtle message here. Earlier this year the New York Post got in some very hot water for publishing a cartoon depicting policemen shooting a monkey that many interpreted to represent President Obama...

The claims in the actual, full-page advertisement -- the WT has run birther ads before, by the way -- are as ridiculous as you might expect. Now Obama is British. According to the ad, the British Nationality Act of 1948 applied to Obama's Kenyan-born father therefore making Obama a British subject. What it neglects to mention is this:

The Center for American Progress' Ian Millhiser points out that if this rule were actually applied to the presidency, every foreign nation would have the power to remove the President of the United States simply by granting the president citizenship.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; bloggers; certifigate; conspiracytheory; obroma; stuffwarsmadeof
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1 posted on 12/02/2009 8:02:25 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b

Well, neither have legitimate birth certificates they can show to the world.

Might be something here...


2 posted on 12/02/2009 8:05:44 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: steve-b
The Center for American Progress' Ian Millhiser points out that if this rule were actually applied to the presidency, every foreign nation would have the power to remove the President of the United States simply by granting the president citizenship.

And this clown expects to be taken seriously? LOL that's like Canada suddenly declaring me a citizen and the US government forcing me to leave.
3 posted on 12/02/2009 8:05:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: steve-b
Earlier this year the New York Post got in some very hot water for publishing a cartoon depicting policemen shooting a monkey that many who have no clue how the legislative process works interpreted to represent President Obama

fixt

4 posted on 12/02/2009 8:06:22 AM PST by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: cripplecreek

Precisely — that’s why the arguments made in the ad are absurd on their face.


5 posted on 12/02/2009 8:06:48 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: steve-b

“The former, of course, is utterly ridiculous. The latter is not.”

??? Sounds like the Glynnis girl is saying it’s NOT ridiculous to portray obama as an ape. This entire article makes no sense.


6 posted on 12/02/2009 8:07:22 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: steve-b

Isn’t the most vocal and public “birther” a democrat?

I think the media trys to portray all birther’s as radical right politically.


7 posted on 12/02/2009 8:08:47 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: steve-b

I thought that the 0 fancied himself as the 21st century Abe Lincoln; and, Lincoln was portrayed as an ape by some 19th caricatures, so what’s the big deal? Obama=Lincoln=Ape, there’s nothing racist about that.


8 posted on 12/02/2009 8:09:21 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: steve-b
Glynnis MacNicol appears to be a moron. The cartoon utilizes the well-known see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil caricatures using chimps. Over each of the chimps is one of the words, Congress, Courts or Media.

In no place does the advert compare any ape to the least competent person to serve as President in the last ten generations. Glynnis is either monumentally stupid or she(?) is a race-baiting punk.

9 posted on 12/02/2009 8:09:53 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: steve-b

This reporterette is a dunce!

Is she so stupid that she doesn’t recognize the see,hear,and speak no evil and puts the monkey spin on this, just seeing racism in every thing instead of what it represents.


10 posted on 12/02/2009 8:10:36 AM PST by barryselby
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To: barryselby

You stole my thunder. I was just about to post:

The chimps in the advertisement are representing Congress (see no evil), the Courts (hear no evil), and the media (speak no evil).


11 posted on 12/02/2009 8:16:46 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

I’m voting for moron as I do with any idiot who sets up a particularly stupid stawman, knocks it down, and declares themself the winner.


12 posted on 12/02/2009 8:17:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: barryselby

‘Tis easier to play the race card to diminish your opponent than to deal with the substance of their argument.


13 posted on 12/02/2009 8:17:32 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: steve-b

I must be missing the part where they are comparing Dear Leader to an ape.

I gave my Dad a birthday card with an ape on it. I didn’t give it to him because I was comparing him to an ape.


14 posted on 12/02/2009 8:18:41 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: izzatzo
Two books which sold a lot of copies had the titles The Naked Ape and The Third Chimpanzee. Both are about human beings. Their authors think we are all apes, so what is the big deal?
15 posted on 12/02/2009 8:20:15 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: steve-b

Curious George was not an ape and Obama does look just like him....the ears...good lord.

Bush was compared to a monkey at best all the time.

so was Lincoln.

Bro can just deal yo!


16 posted on 12/02/2009 8:20:23 AM PST by wardaddy (Angel Flight by Radney Foster on GAC, if you don't tear up then you must be mighty cold)
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To: steve-b
Would it have been less racist if the ad used the Clinton Administration instead of monkeys?


17 posted on 12/02/2009 8:20:36 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: steve-b
Compare Obama to an ape?!
The ad has the "see, hear, speak no evil" monkeys which are labeled "congress", "courts" and "media"...
Trying way too hard to find something to be indignant about.
Another great "article" from this fabulous site:
"Climategate Smackdown: Krugman Drops Science On Skeptics"
I suppose you'll be posting that next?
Too funny.
18 posted on 12/02/2009 8:21:53 AM PST by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: steve-b

First off that is a retarded statement. Barry O. has a divided citizenship precisely because his father was a foreign national.

Let’s take their stupid argument further. Any nation in the world could grant citizenship and if a crazy parent were so inclined, they could take their child to the country, where they are now a citizen and claim sovereign rights.

Makes sense huh?


19 posted on 12/02/2009 8:22:48 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: steve-b
Let them claim there is no long form.
 
1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  That means there is a long form.
 
2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?
 
3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 
 
Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?
 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

  • His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
  •  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
  • The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
  • The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
  • More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

  • His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
  • The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
  • Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 
 
 

20 posted on 12/02/2009 8:23:11 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: steve-b

Steve-b aren’t you a big liberal anti-birther? And this article is a piece of BS.


21 posted on 12/02/2009 8:24:27 AM PST by stockpirate (if the American people decide it's time for a revolution, we'll fight with you. Rhodes Oathkprs)
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To: steve-b
Suppose these same people complaining must have been living under a rock for the last nine years with all of the comparisons of George W. Bush as an ape. Personally comparing Barack Hussein Obama to an ape does the ape a great disservice. At least the ape didn't triple our country's debt in the last 10 months. Unemployment didn't rise to an effective rate of almost 20% under the ape's watch. And the ape didn't decide to try KSM and by extension, GW Bush and Dick Cheney in civilian court.
22 posted on 12/02/2009 8:25:16 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: stockpirate

Anyone who can think logically is an “anti-birther” regardless of political affiliation.


23 posted on 12/02/2009 8:26:55 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: steve-b

That ain’t right. Apes are fine and noble creatures.


24 posted on 12/02/2009 8:27:19 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: ElayneJ

The best way to understand how the left understands the world is to understand how American education has been undermined for much of the past number of decades. At some point, the Western classical tradition of rhetoric and analysis of same has been removed from classroom study and replaced with various new forms of criticism which go by many names, but basically boil down to “victimology”. Literally, “victimology” is the only means leftists have of understanding arguments. There’s no such thing as metaphor or analogy or logic or fallacies for that matter. So in any argument, especially with conservatives, the argument can only been seen as racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-environment, anti-poor etc, and not as true or false as our classical tradition sought to find. Keep this in mind for the rest of Obama’s term.


25 posted on 12/02/2009 8:29:24 AM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: steve-b

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


26 posted on 12/02/2009 8:35:19 AM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: cripplecreek
LOL that's like Canada suddenly declaring me a citizen and the US government forcing me to leave.

It wouldn't force you to leave but according to Birthers it would mean you could never be President. Dual citizenship and all.

27 posted on 12/02/2009 8:38:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: cripplecreek

Oooh, wait. She(?) could be a race-baiting moron.


28 posted on 12/02/2009 8:38:46 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: edcoil
Isn’t the most vocal and public “birther” a democrat?

Who would that be?

29 posted on 12/02/2009 8:39:23 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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30 posted on 12/02/2009 8:40:11 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: steve-b; stockpirate
Anyone who can think logically...
Anyone who agrees with David Frum and Andrew Sullivan, thinks waterboarding is torture and Honduras was a coup will never be accused of thinking logically.
31 posted on 12/02/2009 8:41:27 AM PST by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The women lawyer.


32 posted on 12/02/2009 8:41:53 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: edcoil

Orly Taitz? A Democrat? What ever gave you that idea?


33 posted on 12/02/2009 8:45:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Previous posts here - I believe someone even posted a list of her political contributions commenting the the liberal slant.

Do you know her and her background?


35 posted on 12/02/2009 8:48:06 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Its an especially moronic strawman. Glad you liked it.


36 posted on 12/02/2009 8:48:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: steve-b
The Center for American Progress’ Ian Millhiser points out that if this rule were actually applied to the presidency, every foreign nation would have the power to remove the President of the United States simply by granting the president citizenship.

What utter horse crap. That is not how dual citizenship works.

But will anyone else challenge his statement?

37 posted on 12/02/2009 8:50:34 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; steve-b

“Clever” is giving him WAY too much credit.
Transparent is more like it.


38 posted on 12/02/2009 8:51:42 AM PST by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: steve-b

Wow, more Steve-b Obama apology!

I’m shocked (well, not really)


39 posted on 12/02/2009 8:54:07 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: cripplecreek
Its an especially moronic strawman. Glad you liked it.

One tends to see a lot of moronic arguements on Birther threads.

40 posted on 12/02/2009 8:54:10 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: edcoil
Do you know her and her background?

I've been watching Orly's antics for some time now and nothing I've seen or read on here or any other source connects her with Democrats. As for contribution, enter her name in at the FEC website and it shows contributions to nothing but Republicans or the Republican party, except for a contribution to Lieberman in 2006 when he ran as an Independent.

41 posted on 12/02/2009 9:00:02 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Eagle Eye
But will anyone else challenge his statement?

I've tried but the cowards don't have the stones to do anything more than sling insults and more strawman arguments.
42 posted on 12/02/2009 9:01:33 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: RichInOC

I wish I had an Ape as my driver.


43 posted on 12/02/2009 9:01:44 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
- and the fourth chimp?
The chimps in the advertisement are representing Congress (see no evil), the Courts (hear no evil), and the media (speak no evil).
The fourth chimp would be Bill Clinton (Hands over his private parts - representing (Do no evil.)

44 posted on 12/02/2009 9:05:12 AM PST by jongaltsr
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To: garbanzo
At some point, the Western classical tradition of rhetoric and analysis of same has been removed from classroom study and replaced with various new forms of criticism which go by many names, but basically boil down to "victimology".

e.g. "That sneaky Katie Couric came up with a bunch of 'gotcha' questions."...

46 posted on 12/02/2009 9:34:00 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: LucyT

Obama chimpanzee ping


47 posted on 12/02/2009 9:35:05 AM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: steve-b

The Center for American Progress’ Ian Millhiser points out that if this rule were actually applied to the presidency, every foreign nation would have the power to remove the President of the United States simply by granting the president citizenship.

What a really really stupid statement.

We are talking about no one knows for sure where he was born as there are no witnesses no doctors have come forth, not even hospital or infant photos.

This ass thinks after you turn 48, someone can change your eligibility -—

Geeez these Libs are dumb.

ANd that’s why they love him, the Anointed One.


48 posted on 12/02/2009 10:08:50 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: steve-b

I don’t think he’s an ape, although his wife may be a shaved yeti....


49 posted on 12/02/2009 10:13:11 AM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: garbanzo

Well said, garbanzo - I could not agree with you more!


50 posted on 12/02/2009 10:37:15 AM PST by ElayneJ
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