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Dinosaur Soft Tissue Finally Makes News
ICR News ^ | December 2, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/02/2009 8:28:11 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Although creation-based organizations have reported for over a decade on the technical scientific journal articles published about soft tissue found inside dinosaur remains, mainstream media outlets have largely been silent on the subject. But a recent segment that aired on CBS’s 60 Minutes finally broke the news to a broader audience. The soft tissue issue may be gaining more traction, and even “may be changing the whole dino ballgame,” according to correspondent Lesley Stahl.[1]

The program is currently viewable online at the CBS website. In a field test demonstration to determine whether a dinosaur fossil was real bone, and not bone replaced by minerals, Stahl touched her tongue to it...

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1 posted on 12/02/2009 8:28:11 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/02/2009 8:29:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Jim and GGG.

I’m not a young earther. However, am fiercely a Creationist.


3 posted on 12/02/2009 8:31:45 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well, it should make news unless it contradicts or conflicts with the Anthropogenic Global Warming crowd...:)


4 posted on 12/02/2009 8:32:28 AM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

AGW nazis ain’t got nothin’ on the Temple of Darwin fanatics.


5 posted on 12/02/2009 8:34:39 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Quix

Thanks, Quix. BTW, even though I’m a young earther, I regular post ID articles to the HMS Creation ping list.

All the best—GGG


6 posted on 12/02/2009 8:37:46 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

A reporter touching their tongue to a bone is proof of ‘what’?

Is Stahl experienced at touching her tongue to the bone?


7 posted on 12/02/2009 8:39:09 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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dont worry, once the handy-dandy super elastic evolutionism plastic machine is turned on full speed, the worshippers at the temple of darwin will come up with either why it supports evolutionism, or why it most certainly supports evolutionism, and if neither of those two, then the third option will be that it without a doubt, supports evolutionism.


8 posted on 12/02/2009 8:42:05 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: UCANSEE2
Is Stahl experienced at touching her tongue to the bone?

OF COURSE SHE IS! How do you think she got her job? ;^)
9 posted on 12/02/2009 8:42:27 AM PST by jrg
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To: GodGunsGuts
Dinosaur Soft Tissue Finally Makes News

Bogus!!!!....this has been NEWS for awhile...

I saw paleontologist Jack Horner, talk about this on the Discovery channel 6 or so years ago....it was a great find and an unusual lucky find to find 65+ million year old bone and marrow in such good condition...but it is more than possible and no fantasy 6000 year old earth is the cause...

Some bone matrix is just better at preserving than others...

10 posted on 12/02/2009 8:44:00 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m not a believer in a literal reading of Genesis, but there’s no way that soft tissue could survive for sixty million years. If that stuff really is dino tissue, then the currently accepted timeline is wrong.


11 posted on 12/02/2009 8:44:47 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

No let’s hear these “conservatives” on FR defend the MSM.


12 posted on 12/02/2009 8:48:39 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I would imagine that Stahl was informed of this field test by Schweitzer.


13 posted on 12/02/2009 8:49:20 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

"Dinosaur Mummy" Found; Has Intact Skin, Tissue
John Roach for National Geographic News
December 3, 2007

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy.html

Paleontologists Find Dinosaur Protofeather
By Brandon Keim January 12, 2009 | 2:05 pm |

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/01/dinofeathers/

14 posted on 12/02/2009 8:50:55 AM PST by Republican Extremist
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To: jrg
Be nice! She's an old lady and her daughters, Lucy and Ardi may be watching, if they only had eyes that is.
15 posted on 12/02/2009 8:51:26 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: raygunfan

In my experience, the rarely support evolution, they just dis on us backwoods, knuckle dragging, Bible thumpers. God will be justified though. He knows how to make all of the world’s knowledge look stupid.


16 posted on 12/02/2009 8:52:52 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
AGW nazis ain’t got nothin’ on the Temple of Darwin fanatics

Well, except the whole issue of coordinated fraud, no evidence and a massive socialist political machine that pushed the creation and acceptance of AGW from the beginning.

Natural Selection started as an underdog and grew on its own scientific merits despite claims of heresy within a highly religious environment.

17 posted on 12/02/2009 8:54:07 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: B-Chan

That soft tissue would have evolved into a Volvo by now.


18 posted on 12/02/2009 8:54:24 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; wendy1946
If I may repost this?

Soft tissue in fossils still mysterious: Purported dinosaur soft tissue may be modern biofilms

Fri Aug 1 10:08:25 2008 · 8 of 13
null and void to wendy1946

Let's see where the data takes us before anyone counts coup here.

Even Especially because 65,000,000 million years is an improbably long time for organic matter to survive this stuff is very interesting.

No matter where the data goes, our understanding of all of creation will be improved.

Perhaps that will mean fossilization and decay processes are far different that we thought.

Perhaps it will mean that everything we know about radioactive decay, geology, cosmology, anthropology, time, and biology needs major revision.

Perhaps our understanding of subterranean bacterial growth in incomplete, and we confused what something looks like for what something is.

Me? I'm hoping it is really bits 'o dinosaur.

That would be way kewl!

19 posted on 12/02/2009 8:56:59 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 315 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

IBT*it belongs in religion*...


20 posted on 12/02/2009 8:58:21 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: null and void; GodGunsGuts; wendy1946
Perhaps it will mean that everything we know about radioactive decay, geology, cosmology, anthropology, time, and biology needs major revision.

You anti-science HERETIC, you!!!!!

(Just didn't want you to feel neglected...)

21 posted on 12/02/2009 9:01:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jrg
"How do you think she got her job?"

Leslie was a real 'looker' once upon a time...

22 posted on 12/02/2009 9:02:56 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Vaquero

Excellent sarcasm!


23 posted on 12/02/2009 9:04:32 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Dinosaur Soft Tissue Finally Makes News

I can't see it replacing Kleenex.

They need better marketing people.

24 posted on 12/02/2009 9:05:59 AM PST by humblegunner (™)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"For the record, this post BS is being posted in News/Activism for the express purpose of personal self edification of a militant creationist"
25 posted on 12/02/2009 9:06:12 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: metmom

;^P


26 posted on 12/02/2009 9:06:40 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 315 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Vaquero
Let's face it, this was a spectacular find that should have been all over the MSM (esp. on the broadcast news), but instead the evos (and their MSM allies) tried to keep a lid on the find while they did their best to discredit it. Unfortunately for them, there have been numerous similar finds since then. And they didn't just find bone matrix, they found blood vessels, blood cells, and various other soft-tissue. If memory serves, they even stank like decaying flesh inside. These soft-tissue finds in animals that were thought by the Temple of Darwin to be between 65-80 mya directly contradict both what is known about the rate of soft-tissue decompostion --and-- the long-age evolutionary timeline.


27 posted on 12/02/2009 9:06:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

G3, although we completely disagree on the age of the Earth, I saw this show when it aired, and knew you’d be interested. Meant to ping you the next morning, but got involved at work, and forgot. Sorry!


28 posted on 12/02/2009 9:07:29 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Leslie was a real 'looker' once upon a time...

Agreed. She had the best looking top of a head for her day...

*nully ducking and running for cover*

29 posted on 12/02/2009 9:10:26 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 315 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"Well, except the whole issue of coordinated fraud, no evidence and a massive socialist political machine that pushed the creation and acceptance of AGW from the beginning."

A perfect match so far...

"Natural Selection started as an underdog and grew on its own scientific merits despite claims of heresy within a highly religious environment."

And the most ridiculous statement of the day, at the least! (fraud has scientific merit?)

30 posted on 12/02/2009 9:10:39 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: xcamel

I knew I could count on one evo to come through.


31 posted on 12/02/2009 9:11:52 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yeah, right...LOL!

PS Last I checked...virtually all the global warming nazis masquerading as scientists have made the universe their god, worship at the alter of mother earth, and view darwin as its messenger.

32 posted on 12/02/2009 9:13:35 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

“I knew I could count”

Most of us had serious doubts.


33 posted on 12/02/2009 9:13:39 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

GGG said: “AGW nazis ain’t got nothin’ on the Temple of Darwin fanatics.”

I guess you’ve never had to deal with the “Temple of Young Earther and Other People Who Damn All Who Believe Differently To Hell Even Before Those Others Come Before the Judgment Seat of Christ.” I have no idea why these people are so willing to push Christ of his Judgment Seat so they can put their fat butts into it. Maybe somebody can tell me why.


34 posted on 12/02/2009 9:14:19 AM PST by urroner
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To: Vaquero
I remember that too. Horner related an exchange he'd had with a colleague:

“These fossils stink” said the colleague.
“Hell Creek fossils ALWAYS stink” Horner replied.

He went on to explain how stupid he felt for not asking the question “why?”.

35 posted on 12/02/2009 9:14:34 AM PST by stormer
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

No problem. It was very nice of you to think of me :o)


36 posted on 12/02/2009 9:14:38 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: urroner
I don't know of a single major Creationist organization that believes that a belief in biblical creation is necessary for salvation. They believe it is important to church doctrine, they believe that stretching the biblical account of creation to accommodate evolution compromises God's Word, but they don't believe it keeps you out of Heaven, nor do they believe it damns you to Hell.
37 posted on 12/02/2009 9:20:01 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: null and void

You got no place to hide!


38 posted on 12/02/2009 9:20:54 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"I don't know of a single major Creationist organization that believes that a belief in biblical creation is necessary for salvation."

I tend to think that statement turns cause and effect upsidedown ;o)

39 posted on 12/02/2009 9:23:18 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I guess either you don’t know many Creationist or you don’t know those who have damned me to Hell several times.


40 posted on 12/02/2009 9:24:24 AM PST by urroner
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To: editor-surveyor

Clearly, you have never seen my basement!


41 posted on 12/02/2009 9:25:23 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 315 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: stormer
“These fossils stink” said the colleague.

The first time that deep black clay is excavated, it always stinks bad! - If it is broken up and allowed to dry out, the stench goes away. The stuff is loaded with rotting organic material.

42 posted on 12/02/2009 9:28:24 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: urroner

I can’t speak for individual creationists, nor do I know the context of your conversations/debates. But what I do know is that the major creation science organizations do not teach that you must believe in biblical creation in order to be saved.


43 posted on 12/02/2009 9:28:46 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor
A perfect match so far...

Not even close to a match. There have been individual frauds in natural selection, and other evolutionary scientists have always been the ones to expose them. Given that fact, all of the proven frauds creationists trot out as disproving natural selection are in fact a testament to the good scientific review behind natural selection.

AGW itself being a fraud, it required the skeptics to uncover it. Other AGW scientists certainly weren't going to expose any instances fraud and thus lose their place on the AGW gravy train.

And the most ridiculous statement of the day, at the least!

Absolutely true. AGW had government backing pretty much from the beginning, a socialist agenda to leverage it into power and control. Darwin had no such backing. He was one man in a very religious era where his ideas constituted heresy. The evidence being behind him, his theory flourished even in that opposing environment.

The basic difference is that NS grew on its merits to become dominant in science, while AGW was pushed by governments to become dominant regardless of merits.

44 posted on 12/02/2009 9:30:31 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: GodGunsGuts
virtually all the global warming nazis masquerading as scientists have made the universe their god, worship at the alter of mother earth, and view darwin as its messenger.

Um, no. Religion has nothing to do with it. Besides, if you wanted to make it religious can make an even better case to support global warming based on religion due to God's order to take care of the Earth. By pumping out CO2 we are sinning against God.

45 posted on 12/02/2009 9:32:54 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Quix
I have not been a young earther either, BUT science keeps coming up with evidence for thousands of years and no new evidence for millions of years. Since the bible more
likely teaches thousands of years, I am changing my tune. Answers in Genesis, Creation Museum make strong arguments for a young earth. I remember when I first looked into the Grand Canyon, IMMEDIATELY “The Flood!!!!” jumped into my mind. Not scientific, but you can call it a spiritual experience (you atheists will not know what I am talking about).

Just like we allowed the left to change the THEORY of man made global warming(which it STILL is, by the way, a THEORY), to known fact (which of course it is NOT). In fact it is likely a manufactured FRAUD as we are just now finding out.

We have allowed the left to change the THEORY of evolution(which it STILL is, by the way, a THEORY), to known fact (which of course it is NOT). Hmmmmmmm there seems to be a parallel here. The same people, the same so called proven science, (even though many, many times evolutionists have be CAUGHT committing FRAUDS and doctoring evidence.

I am experiencing Deja Vu all over again.

The TRUTH shall set you free.

46 posted on 12/02/2009 9:49:35 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Evolution is a far larger fraud than AGW. - There is no physical evidence to support it whatsoever.

Drawings, plaster carvings, minute fragments of bones and teeth, are not evidence of anything but the fertile imaginations of its adherants.


47 posted on 12/02/2009 9:53:18 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: faucetman

I’m not at all convinced that Genesis insists on 6 thousand years.

I still think that BEFORE IT WAS FORMLESS AND VOID

it could have been a series of interesting things . . . after which God decided to start all over again . . . as He almost did a time or two after Genesis.

Millions of years . . . I don’t think we know near as much as we think we know about dating anything.

I just find 6 thousand years too much of a stretch.

There’s Chinese characters, writing 7 thousand years old.


48 posted on 12/02/2009 9:54:39 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Quix,

I’ve never understood this.

I’ve been fortunate enough to teach in a classroom setting where I was able to teach BOTH Creation and evolution.

Everything is possible with God.

Anyone who says otherwise puts themself above God.

Not that I care, but Darwinists love to belittle Creationists by pointing to a very small segment of the population who promulgate the theory that our Earth has only been around a short time.


49 posted on 12/02/2009 10:06:37 AM PST by rosettasister
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To: editor-surveyor

Why do the creationist/i.d crowed keep asking for the evidence when it is here. All you have to do is go to a museum and see it for yourself. You can take a look at Australopithecus, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and Homo sapiens and see the clear transtion.

I am sure that many prisioners would agree that minute fragments of bones and teeth, are not evidence of anything, however we both know that statement is false.


50 posted on 12/02/2009 10:20:06 AM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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