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Climategate: Science Is Dying Science is on the credibility bubble.
Wall Street Journal ^ | DECEMBER 2, 2009 | DANIEL HENNINGER

Posted on 12/02/2009 5:27:06 PM PST by ricks_place

Surely there must have been serious men and women in the hard sciences who at some point worried that their colleagues in the global warming movement were putting at risk the credibility of everyone in science. The nature of that risk has been twofold: First, that the claims of the climate scientists might buckle beneath the weight of their breathtaking complexity. Second, that the crudeness of modern politics, once in motion, would trample the traditions and culture of science to achieve its own policy goals. With the scandal at the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, both have happened at once.

I don't think most scientists appreciate what has hit them. This isn't only about the credibility of global warming. For years, global warming and its advocates have been the public face of hard science... This was it. The public was told repeatedly that something called "the scientific community" had affirmed the science beneath this inquiry. A Nobel Prize was bestowed (on a politician).

Global warming enlisted the collective reputation of science. Because "science" said so, all the world was about to undertake a vast reordering of human behavior at almost unimaginable financial cost. Not every day does the work of scientists lead to galactic events simply called Kyoto or Copenhagen. At least not since the Manhattan Project.

What is happening at East Anglia is an epochal event. As the hard sciences—physics, biology, chemistry, electrical engineering—came to dominate intellectual life in the last century, some academics in the humanities devised the theory of postmodernism, which liberated them from their colleagues in the sciences. Postmodernism, a self-consciously "unprovable" theory, replaced formal structures with subjectivity. With the revelations of East Anglia, this slippery and variable intellectual world has crossed into the hard sciences.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algore; climaquiddick; climategate; cru; cruminals; globalwarming; gorebullwarming; hadleycru; hoax
CRUminals!!
1 posted on 12/02/2009 5:27:06 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

Criminals - YES! Waiting for the prosecution - well, maybe not since most of the world governments are involved.


2 posted on 12/02/2009 5:31:57 PM PST by Deagle
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To: ricks_place

Scientist are people too and have the same motives. All scientists want to be funded and do critical, important work (or at least be perceived as doing so). It is not at all surprising to me that some scientists are compromising their credibility to cater to the agenda of politicians with $$. This happens in almost every field—there is always someone who will tell the politicians what they want to hear for personal gain—even in the military.


3 posted on 12/02/2009 5:35:02 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: ricks_place
Commies lie for a living. They'd lied to cover up giving atom bombs to Joe Stalin and they lie to give taxing power to international green activists, makes no difference to them. They pushed Po Mo thought to make lying for a living seem a bit more intellectually respectable. All it ever was.
4 posted on 12/02/2009 5:37:49 PM PST by JasonC
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To: ricks_place

We should have seen this coming when we turned over all of our educational institutions to the America-hating, Commie ‘RATS. Even our “scientists” are nothing but a bunch of egg-sucking, political hacks willing to say and do whatever it takes to get that next government grant.


5 posted on 12/02/2009 5:39:13 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that hopey changey "diversity" thing workin' out for ya?)
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To: rbg81
Nope, wrong answer. There is funding for everything under the sun, it does not determine which source is picked and favored. The goal hasn't wavered in a hundred years - destroy capitalism. They are commies, plain and simple. They are not innocently mistaken, it is a giant fraud meant to control mankind.
6 posted on 12/02/2009 5:39:54 PM PST by JasonC
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To: ricks_place

Science is dying? Not really.


7 posted on 12/02/2009 5:41:50 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: ricks_place; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
 



Beam Me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 12/02/2009 5:44:43 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: ricks_place

Should we be surprised that the academic left has invaded the physical sciences? Everything liberals touch turn to a big pile of crap.


9 posted on 12/02/2009 5:45:22 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Right Wing Assault

Maybe not but I don’t trust anything that comes out of a university. Totally tainted. GIGO


10 posted on 12/02/2009 5:46:10 PM PST by refermech
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To: ricks_place
What is happening at East Anglia is an epochal event. As the hard sciences—physics, biology, chemistry, electrical engineering—came to dominate intellectual life in the last century, some academics in the humanities devised the theory of postmodernism, which liberated them from their colleagues in the sciences. Postmodernism, a self-consciously "unprovable" theory, replaced formal structures with subjectivity. With the revelations of East Anglia, this slippery and variable intellectual world has crossed into the hard sciences.

Absolute must read : John Horgan's THE END OF SCIENCE (1996), which could have been titled POSTMODERN SCIENCE. In fact the author explains the rise of what he calls "ironic science", which is more or less "science as a game". So, doubly ironic when this crowd wants to set the agenda for humanity, as Keepers of the Truth.

11 posted on 12/02/2009 5:48:13 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: rbg81
Yeah but I've got to believe (glass half full) that both continue to exist, those who dedicate themselves to learning and discovery for its own sake, and those who are in it for the fame and money.

Sharing the raw data along with the methods and the results should be required. Those who do not comply should be shunned. In this era of communication at light speed across the globe, the old way seems stronger than ever to me.

12 posted on 12/02/2009 5:53:26 PM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: refermech
Totally tainted.

Yes. Science is only the latest. The Left Soils Institutions.

Big labor, education, government, the press are dirty and demeaned in their relationship with the Democrat party.

13 posted on 12/02/2009 5:57:55 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

“Sharing the raw data along with the methods and the results should be required.”

If they are not doing that, they have no right to call it science.


14 posted on 12/02/2009 5:59:26 PM PST by dangerdoc
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
"Sharing the raw data along with the methods and the results should be required. Those who do not comply should be shunned. In this era of communication at light speed across the globe, the old way seems stronger than ever to me."

The guy who invented the idea of "Open Source" software has the right idea. Put the data and methods of any scientific publication on a website, open to everyone and anyone. It'll be painful for a while as errors are caught and corrected, but science will advance more rapidly as a result.

These sleazeballs in the "fiction science" business of "climate change" are giving all of science a black eye. Yes, damn it, there ARE those of us who dedicate ourselves to learning and discovery, and we are mad as hell with those who are doing so. May many maledictions fall upon their heads!!!

15 posted on 12/02/2009 6:03:11 PM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Well, of course not everyone does it, but I’m just saying that there are people in every field who will willingly subvert their integrity for $$, rank, or even perversion. Scientists, Priests, and Military Officers often get lumped into the same exhaulted category, as if their motives were always pure. Hopefully most are, but there will always be those bad apples.


16 posted on 12/02/2009 6:03:50 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: JasonC

They are not innocently mistaken, it is a giant fraud meant to control mankind.


I’m not implying the scientists are innocently mistaken. They know full well what they are doing in the service of schemeing politicians. The goal of the scientist may be to get funding (rather than destroy capitalism, perse), but they are weapons in the fight nontheless.


17 posted on 12/02/2009 6:05:45 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: ricks_place
CRUminals!!

"Precautionary policies", "jobs saved or created", etc. etc.

"Everything about socialism is sham and affectation" 23.11 Ch23 Evil, "Economic Harmonies" Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

18 posted on 12/02/2009 6:57:05 PM PST by PGalt
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To: JasonC; Gator113
They are not innocently mistaken, it is a giant fraud meant to control mankind.

It is the largest premeditated fraud ever devised and the destruction of our sovereignty is paramount. Individual rights be damned. When are the crickets-chirping Republicans going to express outrage?...call for hearings?...call for criminal investigations/RICO? We know where the international socialists, the UNaccountable bureaucrats and the enemy-within-socialist-democrats stand. The domestic enemies are 535 con-men of congress. The good statist/bad statist con-game is being exposed. We the people are the premeditated targets of the deceivers...every one of us - our children - our grandchildren.

Those involved have committed treason to civilization and their fellow human beings.

In a recent IBD editorial...

Media: The shameless denial with which major newspapers and networks have treated "Climategate" layers even more scandal on top of the original one: Mainstream media now co-conspirators with scientific hacks and big government.

FReeper Gator113 recently posted...

Heads should roll from top to bottom over this, so much so, that we should be filling prisons all over the world with these criminal conspirators..

A call to action for the world? When, in the course of human events,...

19 posted on 12/02/2009 7:06:45 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Wonder Warthog
Excellent mention of 'open source'. I personally run a business for profit and have benefited from the contributions of many other people who share freely in the open source world of e-commerce.

It's the freedom to share free enterprise on a global scale.

If you're not familiar with perhaps the best example of open source read Why Apache Software is Free Bottom of the page.

Apache continues to lead the world in server language, doubling it's nearest competition quietly, correctly, and rightly. Open source is truly a force for good in the world, something science would do well to embrace right about now.

20 posted on 12/02/2009 7:14:01 PM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: PGalt
Oh please, spare us the low brow calls for the workers of the world to unite, won't you?

The goons involved are little men playing vacuous games and readily spotted as frauds. That lots of interested people enjoy flocking to those frauds has entirely different causes. Hint, they don't like rich American Republicans ruling the world...

21 posted on 12/02/2009 7:16:24 PM PST by JasonC
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To: ricks_place

Coming to medicine soon (see Mammogram recomendations)


22 posted on 12/02/2009 7:37:03 PM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: refermech
Maybe not but I don’t trust anything that comes out of a university. Totally tainted. GIGO

I know people who do research on the university level and what you say is highly exaggerated. It's like everything else in this world. A lot of good people and a number not so good.

23 posted on 12/02/2009 7:38:39 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“The guy who invented the idea of “Open Source” software has the right idea. Put the data and methods of any scientific publication on a website, open to everyone and anyone. It’ll be painful for a while as errors are caught and corrected, but science will advance more rapidly as a result.”

Agreed.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2009/12/climategate-aftershocks.html


24 posted on 12/02/2009 7:52:19 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: JasonC

No call for workers of the world to unite from me. Only appreciation of those identifying anti-truth, anti-life criminals devaluing all life by fraud.


25 posted on 12/03/2009 4:56:48 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt
Spare me. You hinted at violent revolution, advocated mass incarceration, and pretended these frauds rule the world. We rule ourselves already, we are entirely free, we merely need to act on our common sense and tell posers to get lost.
26 posted on 12/03/2009 9:06:37 AM PST by JasonC
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...we merely need to act on our common sense and tell posers to get lost.

No disagreement here. That's what is taking place now. Let's see how this one aspect of international posers (socialists) plays out.

27 posted on 12/03/2009 9:23:24 AM PST by PGalt
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