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Jews Occupy Front-Row Pew In Church Of Liberalism
grasstopsusa.com ^ | 12/02/2009 | Don Feder

Posted on 12/02/2009 6:14:27 PM PST by massmike

Among life’s most perplexing mysteries:

• Why do most Americans continue to believe Islam is the “religion of peace” – a growing international death-toll notwithstanding?

• Why do the French eat snails and think Jerry Lewis is funny?

• Why are women surprised that many of the men they have sex with have absolutely no interest in marrying them?

• Why are the Jews so compulsively/tragically liberal?

My friend Ira, a Hasidic Jew who lives in the Boston-area, once told me if he goes to vote and sees two candidates for an office, and he knows nothing about them other than that one has a Jewish name and the other doesn’t, he automatically votes for the non-Jew. He assumes, quite logically, that the gentile is less likely to be mushugana (just plain nuts) than the Jew.

President Obama – the clearest evidence yet that most Jews are delusional on matters political – just appointed Hannah Rosenthal the State Department’s special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism. Apparently, Pat Buchanan was unavailable. Coming soon: Obama appoints “Da Vinci Code” author Dan Brown U.S. ambassador to the Vatican.

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1 posted on 12/02/2009 6:14:27 PM PST by massmike
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To: massmike; justiceseeker93; Sarah Barracuda; ncfool; Nachum; sheik yerbouty; Yehuda; Yaelle; ...

There are a lot of Jews right here on FR that are very conservative as is my entire family. Not all Jews are morons like the Liberal ones. There seems to be a lot of discussion about Liberal Jews and no mention of what has happened within the Catholic Church or other religions as well. Let’s not forget the recent Zero scandal at Notre Dame.

Check out rjchq.org so you can see there are conservative Jews fighting to educate the Liberal ones. We are all under assault from Hussein Obama and his minions. We better start pulling together.


2 posted on 12/02/2009 6:20:03 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (clean the sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Thank God! And yes, in every religion there are liberals. It just strikes most people as curious as to why many Jews continue to support liberals and anti-Israel policies.


3 posted on 12/02/2009 6:27:40 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (A good Blue Dog is an unelected Blue Dog. Ditto Rino's!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“There seems to be a lot of discussion about Liberal Jews and no mention of what has happened within the Catholic Church or other religions as well. “

Were you asleep? Discussed frequently.


4 posted on 12/02/2009 6:29:08 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: massmike

I know a lot of Jews and they are all liberals. A Jewish relative who runs a very conservative pension investments firm voted for Obama. And, Catholics all over my neighborhood had Obama stickers. What gives?


5 posted on 12/02/2009 6:30:09 PM PST by anton
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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6 posted on 12/02/2009 6:36:47 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: massmike
Beats the heck out of me. I like my shul, which I suspect is the exception to the rule. The Rabbi always prays for the USA, and (gasp) Victory for our Armed Forces. Also has spake against PETA and other idiocies. Many of the Hippite tribe made exodus from said shul after he spoke up for America after 9/11.
7 posted on 12/02/2009 6:44:55 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: anton
As a Catholic, I will say that most Catholics I know are utopian, socialist, pacifist, bleeding-heart idiots.

And those are their GOOD qualities.

8 posted on 12/02/2009 6:51:22 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: anton

Jews fear Jesus, and the Catholics have been wallowing in sin by picking and chosing the commandments they will follow or not follow. The last thing they emotionally want is a conservative POTUS who may highlight their weaknesses. The devil knows how to play them.


9 posted on 12/02/2009 6:52:24 PM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: massmike

I think part of the reason Jews tend to be liberal tho not the only reason is where most of them live. New York City is simply more liberal than small towns in the Florida Panhandle.

The reason those Jews in Miami are so liberal is they came from New York. I grew up in the Florida Panhandle, South Alabama area. There were only a handful of Jews in the area but they tended to be conservative.


10 posted on 12/02/2009 6:52:51 PM PST by yarddog
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To: massmike

Simple. 40 years in the wilderness eat manna every day caused genetic mutations that have been inherited by todays leftist Jews. It wasn’t bad enough that Stalin killed 20,000,000 of their brethren. No, they still love Marx and communism. They worship abortion, hate the military,...even the Israeli army! They love and work for the ACLU and NO law or judge cane ever be liberal enough to suit them. Hell, the Messiah was one of them and they killed him!


11 posted on 12/02/2009 6:53:45 PM PST by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

You’ve missed a lot. The USCCB has a long history of taking positions that read like manifestos issued by the DNC. Only the issues of abortion/sexual abuse/liturgical nuttiness have stymied a liberal take-over the American church like the take-over of the Episcopal Church. Until the Democratic party abandoned anti-communism, even fairly conservative bishops were pretty close to being New Dealers. We are just now getting to the point where younger bishops have grown up with a Democratic Party that is vehemently hostile to traditional Church teachings have realized that the party has little place for Catholics who are faithful to Rome. The dustup between Ted Kennedy’s son and Bishop Tobin is a sign that the liberal clique that has dominated the Church since Vatican II is losing control.


12 posted on 12/02/2009 6:55:24 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: PackerBoy

My Sister married a Catholic and became Catholic herself. They are both very liberal tho she came from an extremely conservative family. I just assumed that my Brother-in-Law came from one of those Catholic families who believe in Communism or something very close.

To my surprise when I met several of them (they were a large family) they were even more conservative than my family was.


13 posted on 12/02/2009 6:57:14 PM PST by yarddog
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To: massmike

I’ve been corrected on this issue by a Jewish friend. Here is the matter:

Liberal jews, like liberal Catholics, liberal evangelicals, liberal Mormons, liberal atheists, etc., etc., are stupid. Period. They can’t be reasoned with or understood.

So there you go. Any questions?


14 posted on 12/02/2009 7:00:05 PM PST by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: massmike
Secularism and liberalism go hand in hand. Secular Jews vote Democratic. Orthodox and Hasidic Jews vote Republican. In a generation, the bulk of American Jewry will be Orthodox. There will be too few Reform and Conservative Jews around to fill even a phone booth in the Democratic Party.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

15 posted on 12/02/2009 7:02:10 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: yarddog

My family runs the extremes, too. One of my brothers is a huge Lib and huge Lib $upporter. He went to Notre Dame. I think the lack of women made him lose his mind.


16 posted on 12/02/2009 7:02:13 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: yarddog

The Catholic brand of Communism is euphemistically called Liberation Theology. If they had their way Che Guevera would be canonized. The Church would be well rid of them.


17 posted on 12/02/2009 7:04:22 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: yarddog

Yes, location, location, location.

Plus, Jewish families have put a premium on obtaining higher education, and we all know what hotbeds of radical liberalism the campuses are.

So, it’s a combination of a couple of different factors.

And based on my most recent communications with several Jewish friends and cousins...they are INCORRIGIBLE!


18 posted on 12/02/2009 7:05:37 PM PST by Canedawg (Bring lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: massmike
The First Amendment Suicide Pact
19 posted on 12/02/2009 7:06:47 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
and no mention of what has happened within the Catholic Church or other religions as well. Let’s not forget the recent Zero scandal at Notre Dame

My dear friend, we are here. We are speaking out. We are fighting back. We will give it all that we have.

20 posted on 12/02/2009 7:12:14 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: goldstategop
Secularism and liberalism go hand in hand.

Blacks are the most religious race of all and look how they vote

21 posted on 12/02/2009 7:15:35 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
I absolutely agree!

Harry Reid is supposedly a very active and observant Mormon.

Geeze! Go figure! There are ( what was that expression?)... “mushugana” in **all** religions.

22 posted on 12/02/2009 7:25:27 PM PST by wintertime
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To: massmike
I am a Jew and I battle it out with my relatives at most occasions. From guns to Obama I went at it in 2008. Now I just ridicule them over what an obvious-to-all anti-Semite Hussein is. (My cousins who didn't vote for zerO have to come to me in private because there is such a stigma among Jews to not be a commmie lib.)

My wife and I recently allied with black and Hispanic parents at our kids school to force the white progressives in the Admin to permit Christmas songs at the upcoming "Winter Festival", which had been banned for 5 years prior to our enrollment there. We threatened to sing them anyway or protest outisde and they absolutely freaked out. I know religious Christians are the best friends of Israel.

There are dozens of conservative Jewish bloggers and talk show hosts, growing every day. Observant Jews are far more conservative than non-observant JINOs, and have far more babies. The future of Jews is conservative. Bet on it. It will take 25+ years, but then again, we've been around a long time.

23 posted on 12/02/2009 7:30:20 PM PST by montag813
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To: wintertime

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=117807

We’re cleaning the sewer in 2010 and 2012.


24 posted on 12/02/2009 7:35:14 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (clean the sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Canedawg

Yes, I think location has more influence than many think and in more ways too. I remember once, maybe in the early 70’s when there was a Black girl running for homecoming queen at the University of Alabama.

The news media were making a big deal out of whether it would be a Black or White girl. The students fooled them all. They selected a Japanese girl from Dothan, Alabama. My wife used to work with her and she had a strong Southern accent. It really is strange to see a pretty Japanese girl speaking with a strong Southern drawl. As you might guess, her family had been in the area a long time.


25 posted on 12/02/2009 7:46:48 PM PST by yarddog
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To: ExTexasRedhead
There seems to be a lot of discussion about Liberal Jews and no mention of what has happened within the Catholic Church or other religions as well.

Not even close, Catholics went 54% for Obama while Jews were at 78% and in some years Catholics actually go for the Republican, Jews never do.

Jewish vote:
In 2004 Kerry 76%
In 2000 Gore 79%
In 1996 Clinton 78%
In 1992 Clinton 80%

26 posted on 12/02/2009 8:01:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: qam1

The Torah of Sinai is the Fountainhead of Western Civilization and all that is good in this world. Christianity, like an ungrateful son, took it’s inheritance from Israel with all of it’s richness and power and went into spiritual exile. It built Western Civilization with the Biblical vision but could not replenish itself, and slowly lost it’s confidence. Revivals and Reformations were an attempt to get back to the source and bring new life to Christendom. By having accepted the proposition that Israel and Torah had been superceeded, the path to reconciliation was blocked. Christianity consequently declined and failed in it’s mission. Having compromised the immutable laws of God, it has lost it’s way and has run out of spiritual capital; the checks are bouncing. Liberal Jews are actually Christianized (Hellenized) Jews who have lost confidence in the efficacy and veracity of the Torah. They stand with Rome. There is hope, but that would be very difficult for Jew and Christian to accept. That would be the realization that Yeshua (Jesus) never intended to negate the Torah, but to spread it’s light to the whole world. He was misunderstood. His vision was ahead of his time...that time is now. Listen Christian, Listen Jew...Come home to Torah.


27 posted on 12/02/2009 8:02:40 PM PST by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: qam1; goldstategop
No one can explain black voting but secularism and liberalism do go hand in hand, even among republicans.

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28 posted on 12/02/2009 8:04:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: yarddog

Except that even in New York it is the Jews that are the rabidly liberal, not all of the people.


29 posted on 12/02/2009 8:08:58 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Check out rjchq.org so you can see there are conservative Jews fighting to educate the Liberal ones.
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I grew up in Philadelphia and earned a doctorate in one of the most competitive health professions. The school was overwhelmingly Jewish. I can honestly say that nearly all of my friends were Jewish. While I lived and worked in the Philadelphia area almost all of my close professional associations were with Jews. This is my conclusion ( as a gentile) regarding liberal Jews:

—The parents of my graduate school classmates suffered cruel and bitterly disappointing discrimination in business, professional organizations, fraternities, country clubs ( where business deals are often made), and admission to competitive colleges and professional schools. This was **still** a very recent experience for them and their parents **still** were dealing with the consequences of this discrimination. They correctly identified the discriminators are being Christians.

—There were hundreds of ways in which Christianity was shoved up their noses and it started the moment they entered kindergarten. Jewish holidays were **never** acknowledged. There were the Christmas decoration, carols, and Christian religious music sung in the class and chorus, and ( of course) the yearly Easter Bunny. The literature chosen for study reflected Christian themes, and many of the Jewish students had attended government schools where the King James Bible was read daily and the Lord's Prayer recited.

— While I was growing up, Philadelphia still had “blue laws” that required the mandatory closing of all businesses on Sunday, the **Christian** Sabbath. Wow! How's that for a weekly reminder of who is running the show in town.

— Constant reminders of Christian domination continued even in professional school in the mid-1970s. The school was empty during the Jewish holidays but the schedule marched on without them. A few kind gentile professors would repeat the lectures for the Jewish students but most would not. ( And...Remember, in the 1970s most of the professors were gentile since this generation of professors reflected previous discrimination against Jews.) The professional school being under the direction of the Christian dominated state legislature was closed for the major Christian holidays, though.

—Then while many active Christians support Israel they do it for what is perceived by my Jewish friends for a very weird reason: The Second Coming! Naturally, my Jewish friends wonder about Christian commitment to them as real people. They have good reason to believe that the Christian's real commitment to Israel is as a tarmac for Jesus’s landing.

—The Holocaust was **still** a very personal event for my classmates. Nearly every one of my Jewish classmates could name very close relatives exterminated in countries that were supposedly officially Christian. Christians killing ( or neglecting to defend Jews) wasn't seen as a “family value”.

So...That is why many of my friends were very hesitant to trust Christians or Christianity. Seriously,...Can you blame them?

I am a committed Christian and our entire family ( my children are now adults with families of their own) are very active in our denomination.

30 posted on 12/02/2009 8:11:26 PM PST by wintertime
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I forgot the conclusion:

So...Conservatives tend to be Christian and my Jewish friends and associates are very wary of Christians ( for good reasons, in my opinion.) It for this reason they tend to gravitate to those who are secular. Secular people are more likely to be liberals.


31 posted on 12/02/2009 8:14:19 PM PST by wintertime
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To: massmike; Ukiapah Heep; ml/nj; firebrand; rmlew; dennisw; pabianice; juliej; OldFriend; ...
Don Feder is an excellent Jewish conservative writer, but his comparison of liberalism to religion can be made just as well with conservatism. After all, conservatives also have our saints, sinners, sacred texts, and rituals.

Judaism and conservatism should share the basic common value of freedom. That's what both Passover and the Fourth of July are all about.

32 posted on 12/02/2009 8:16:12 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: wintertime

Sounds like you pretty much despise the pre 1970s America and it’s Christian culture and traditions.

You got your way when the left used the federal government to crush our culture and destroy or communities.


33 posted on 12/02/2009 8:21:08 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: justiceseeker93
After all, conservatives also have our saints, sinners, sacred texts, and rituals.

Speak for yourself, I missed that cult.

34 posted on 12/02/2009 8:22:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
There is a simple explanation. I have racked my brain thinking of all the different nuances of voting patterns and religious faith. I always come back to a simple conclusion. View the "liberal" choices as actually a worship of false gods. Modernity, socialism and whatever ism become alters of worship, false security and false pride. Those who can see past these blinders and recognize the thin veneer of civilization can easily reject the idols that have become the modern day liberal worship.

Those that cannot or will not look past these distractions are very incomplete and insecure. Challenge their beliefs and cognitive dissonance is their response. Usually this response is disproportionate to the argument offered up. Their responses are emotional and bankrupt. They fear the unravelling of their self-centered universe.
35 posted on 12/02/2009 8:27:32 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: wintertime

Some of what you say has a bit of truth to it, such as not being able to join certain clubs, tho I would never want to join one which didn’t want me.

Some of the other stuff such as not celebrating Jewish holidays is nonsense. I am sure Israel does not celebrate Christian ones.

There is also another side. I used to work with a U.S. Treasury agent. He was a fine man and extremely intelligent. He once told me the best neighbor he ever had was in Atlanta and the guy was Jewish.

He got a promotion and moved to New York. He bought a house in a neighborhood which was mostly Jewish. He said they were the rudest people in the world. Also made it plain they did not care for him because he was Christian.

In other words they mistreated non Jews much worse than Christians do non Christians.


36 posted on 12/02/2009 8:31:13 PM PST by yarddog
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To: ansel12
Perhaps it is time to take the beam out of you eye. It might help you see more clearly from the Jews’ point of view.

I am merely attempting to outline as plainly as possible the daily frustrations that my Jewish friends and acquaintances shared with me. After being treated they way they were by Christians ( who tend to be conservative) is it any wonder that Jews are both suspicious of Christians and conservatism?

37 posted on 12/02/2009 8:33:34 PM PST by wintertime
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To: PA Engineer; goldstategop
goldstategop mentioned it up thread.

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38 posted on 12/02/2009 8:37:14 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: wintertime

I’m Jewish, and I agree with everything you said. Good post, very accurate IMO.


39 posted on 12/02/2009 8:40:17 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: wintertime

Then crush American culture, community, history, and traditions for a teensy minority, luckily for you we have two generations worth of that destruction finished just in time to accommodate the teensy Muslim numbers also.


40 posted on 12/02/2009 8:41:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: wintertime
An excellent summary. I think you've left one thing out though: Jewish history classes both formal (in Hebrew school) and informal (the dining room table). Christian persecution didn't begin with the Holocaust. Christian state-sponsored discrimination and persecution of Jews began in Roman times and got worse over the centuries. Christian crusaders slaughtered the Jewish communities of the Rhineland on their way to the Holy Land. England exiled its Jews in 1290, Spain in 1492 (after a century of forced conversions). In Italy and elsewhere, Jews were forced into tiny, overcrowded ghettos, barred from practically any profession other than money-lending and subjected to humiliating edicts (such as being forced to have their Sabbath prayers interrupted by local priests who would preach every Sabbath in synagogues that Jews should convert), while the Pope himself sponsored burnings of the Talmud.

When you get that kind of history (all accurate) as a kid growing up, distrust of religious Christians can be hard to overcome. Of course, that history ignores that the Christians of today, for the most part, aren't the Christians of the past 1700 years or so. The Catholic Church has grown tolerant, if not outright accepting, of Jews. And much of American Protestantism and Mormonism is downright philo-semetic.

41 posted on 12/02/2009 8:45:02 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I’m Jewish, and I agree with everything you said. Good post, very accurate IMO.
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I am certain that what I saw ( as a gentile) was merely the tip of the iceberg. I could not even possibly begin to know or understand the full measure of what it was like to be Jewish.

I dated a very kind Jewish man for about a year. One evening during the Christmas season we went out to dinner at a restaurant. We were given a seat next to a full white and gold Christmas tree. I could just tell from his look that it was just too much. He’d had enough of all the “Ho! Ho! Ho!”

He wanted to marry me very much, but I had been divorced and had a 5 year old son. Culturally, I just didn’t think it would work for my son and me. No matter how many times this man assured me, “My parents will **love** your son!”, I wasn’t entirely convinced. As it turned out, I married a man of my religious denomination and we have been happily married for 27 years.


42 posted on 12/02/2009 8:58:30 PM PST by wintertime
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To: ansel12
Then crush American culture, community, history, and traditions for a teensy minority, luckily for you we have two generations worth of that destruction finished just in time to accommodate the teensy Muslim numbers also.
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Unless we understand the Jewish experience we will NOT be able to persuade them that conservatism is in their best interest.

Intolerant posts like yours above are NOT about to convince any liberal Jew to change his mind about either Christians or conservatism.

43 posted on 12/02/2009 9:02:09 PM PST by wintertime
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To: massmike
Jews Occupy Front-Row Pew In Church Of Liberalism

That's a long pew, and there's barely enough room for Jews.


44 posted on 12/02/2009 9:06:02 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: wintertime

So you are one of those that has been snuffing out American culture for 40 years, making us stop celebrating our holidays and changing events from Christmas events to Festival of lights and so on, no thanks, I love America and my countrymen too much to join your club.


45 posted on 12/02/2009 9:18:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: ansel12
asell2,

If you have followed my posts you will know that I am staunch supporter of the complete abolishment of government K-12 schools.

If we wish to preserve and strengthen true Christian values the best way to do this is for our children to receive a thoroughly Christian education in **private** Christian settings. Our nation would also be far stronger morally and spiritually if Jewish children received a thoroughly integrated **Jewish** education in Jewish private schools.

Government schools are destroying Christian values. Why? Because they can NOT be thoroughly Christian and if they were whose brand of Christianity? How would we prevent forcing our values on others. Gee! The last I checked forcing our brand of Christianity on other people is NOT a Christian value.

If we wish to preserve our moral, ethical, and spiritual foundation we **must** abolish government K-12 schools. We must reduce government to most minimum level necessary to preserve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

46 posted on 12/02/2009 9:33:14 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Here join one of these antiAmerican groups in this article.
You can join the discussion and continue your anti-American food fest that some of you started on this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2399063/posts

Christians should not show timidity in cultural disputes over traditional Christmas songs, displays and Nativity scenes, the head of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights says. He charges such disputes are contrived by a small set of “mean-spirited people” who wrongly insinuate that many non-Christians are offended by Christmas. Many reports surface each year regarding local governments putting restrictions on traditional Christmas displays, and Christmas 2009 is no exception.

A life-sized crèche was displayed for about 50 years in the public square of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. However, this year the display has been banned because one man said he wanted to have a sign which read “Celebrating Solstice – Honoring Atheist War Veterans” to accompany the manger. Leesburg, Virginia has banned its traditional display of a crèche, menorah and a Christmas tree. A Nativity scene which since World War II has been displayed on the grounds of the Manitowoc County Courthouse in Wisconsin will also be absent.

A Manchester, Massachusetts woman was told she could not have a live nativity scene outside her church because it sits on the town commons. A menorah in a Nashville park was approved by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) but the crèche in Clarksville, Tennessee was not because the city paid $200 for the animals used in the scene. The Capitol building in Olympia, Washington has barred all holiday displays. Catholic League President Bill Donohue particularly noted that the West Chester, Pennsylvania Court House has created new rules allowing four holiday displays for a limited period of time if they are “content-netural” in their message.

“But symbols—religious or secular—are by their very nature content-specific, thus making the request positively oxymoronic,” Donohue said in a Monday press release. CNA spoke with Donohue in a Tuesday phone interview. He said that the “War on Christmas” largely began with the Catholic League’s successful efforts to place a Nativity scene in the same New York City public park which hosted the world’s largest menorah.

The Catholic League also sued the City of New York because miniature menorahs were displayed in public schools but Christian symbols were not.

The hostility towards Christmas is no longer only from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Donohue said. Rather, the ACLU has been “eclipsed” by the Freedom from Religion Foundation. He charged that the group is “increasingly aggressive” in trying to “neuter the meaning of Christmas by putting up anti-religious (read: anti-Christian) posters and displays.”

Donohue contrasted this behavior with the actions of the American Humanist Association, which in his view puts up more positive signs that do not denigrate religion. He described a number of different tactics being used to suppress Christian symbols at Christmastime. The legal strategy to bar Nativity scenes from public property was prominent in the 1980s and early 1990s but has now “exhausted itself.”

Asked by CNA about whether anti-Christmas incidents have increased or decreased, Donohue reported that biggest change is not the volume but “the diversity of tactics.” This shift to a “cultural strategy” has generated a “contrived competition” with Christmas that takes place every December.

Disputes about Christmas displays, he charged, are “contrived by elitists of a secular mindset.” They are “bringing forth every possible secular holiday that might fall in December and trying to give it equal billing with Christmas.” According to Donohue, many Jews will acknowledge that Hanukkah is a minor holiday. He added that the Hindus he knows celebrate Christmas as part of being Americans.

“Now in the workplace, in the schools, we have to be ever-conscious of offending people who are not Christians,” he charged. Donohue blamed this situation on the “language police” and diversity consultants, whom he claimed to be part of a $1 billion industry active in the private and public workplace.

“These people are the ones selling the propaganda that non-Christians are offended by Christian symbols in December. There is no evidence to this,” he said, reporting that about 96 percent of Americans do not object to Christmas displays or greetings.

He blamed Christmas disputes on “a very small percentage of mean-spirited people year after year.” He suggested Catholics respond to the suppression of Christmas displays by filing lawsuits or showing up at town hall meetings and school board meetings when the displays become an issue.

“Christians should not be accepting of a secular symbol for Christmas, the tree, when religious symbols, like the star and crescent or menorah are allowed in the same setting,” he commented. “Christians have been far too timid and shown far too much reticence. The problem is with the objectors, not those celebrating.”

In the Catholic League’s press release Donohue also pointed out positive signs. The Christmas Boat Parade in Patchogue, Long Island undid last year’s name change to a Holiday Boat Parade. The Capitol’s Christmas tree this year will not be a generically named Holiday Tree. And a Colorado sheriff is allowing crèches and menorahs and selling shirts reading “Lighten Up. Just say ‘Merry Christmas’.”


47 posted on 12/02/2009 9:39:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: Kirkwood; ExTexasRedhead
Were you asleep? Discussed frequently.

Dear Kirkwood ...... The Catholic Threads on Freerepublic are the only religious threads I AM not welcome on. Why? Because I'm not Catholic. I've never commented on even ONE thread, but in reading posts, I see that non-Catholics are told in no uncertain terms that their comments are not welcome.
As a result, I simply avoid Catholic threads. Redhead, myself and many others, I'm sure, weren't ASLEEP, we are not welcome on your threads.

Redhead....I appreciate the openness of Jewish Freepers.

Nam Vet

48 posted on 12/02/2009 9:55:17 PM PST by Nam Vet ("Goodnight Mrs. Calabash, Wherever you are ! ")
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To: sergeantdave

“Liberal jews, like liberal Catholics, liberal evangelicals, liberal Mormons, liberal atheists, etc., etc., are stupid. Period. They can’t be reasoned with or understood.”

THIS SHOULD BE POST OF THE DAY, EVERY DAY.


49 posted on 12/02/2009 10:05:44 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: ansel12; ExTexasRedhead; rmlew

“Not even close, Catholics went 54% for Obama while Jews were at 78% and in some years Catholics actually go for the Republican, Jews never do.”

So 20–24% = “never”?

iirc, in 2008, Cinos tipped the vote for Øgabe in crucial states, jinos did not.

Also, your earlier chart broke out the vote by various Christian denominations and by attendance, but did not break out for Jews by frequenc of attendance.

You might get more of your points across if it was clear that you understand that jinos who have no connection to Israel nor for the Constitution are not “genetically” / “Jewishly” disposed to being liberal morons, any more than are the cinos who support abortion, Øgabe, etc...


50 posted on 12/02/2009 11:20:58 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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