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Obama birthplace attorney files new allegations
Orange County Register ^

Posted on 12/03/2009 7:42:53 PM PST by USALiberty

Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz had her lawsuit challenging Barack Obama’s presidency thrown out on Oct. 29, but that hasn’t stopped her from filling a new document in the case with a broad array of allegations.

“There was a concerted and a well orchestrated effort by a number of individuals to assassinate my character, endanger my law license and ultimately derail my case against Mr. Obama,” Taitz writes in the document filed with the federal court today. “A number of criminal activities were perpetrated upon this court.”

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This is NOT going away! The truth WILL come out!
1 posted on 12/03/2009 7:42:57 PM PST by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty

Folks can say what they will, but I am thankful for her.


2 posted on 12/03/2009 7:44:35 PM PST by papasmurf
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To: USALiberty

Ms. Taitz still has her law license? I’m surprised.


4 posted on 12/03/2009 7:49:37 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: USALiberty
"She’s filed a motion to have Carter reconsider the most recent dismissal, while another attorney working on that case has filed an appeal.

Click here to see the document filed by Taitz today. Click here to see the attachment to that document, which is allegedly an immigration forum for Obama."

5 posted on 12/03/2009 7:52:11 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: 1rudeboy

Why are you surprised? I’m not. Frankly she’s doing one hellova job, and I applaud her!

She’s lived in communism, and she’s fighting for my country!

I am thankful for her efforts and will continue to support her.


6 posted on 12/03/2009 7:52:41 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: USALiberty
Ethnic Code: Equatorial Guinea

What will Carter say about this? This is from the US Immigration document on Obama that Orly filed. The US attorneys have some 'splainin' to do.

7 posted on 12/03/2009 7:55:22 PM PST by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: RowdyFFC

I’m suprised because I’ve read the legal opinions that slap her down. You apparently have not.


8 posted on 12/03/2009 7:56:59 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: circumbendibus
This is from the US Immigration document on Obama that Orly filed. The US attorneys have some 'splainin' to do.

I don’t think so.

It looks like some kind of internet person search service form.

9 posted on 12/03/2009 7:58:15 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Red Steel

An online background report? Marital status unknown, but Michelle Obama listed as relative.

The Good Dr. Taiz had better dust off her checkbook, because she’s going to end up writing another check to a clerk pretty soon.


10 posted on 12/03/2009 8:01:16 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: 1rudeboy

Actually I’ve read them all. And apparently you haven’t, or else you have a reading comprehension problem.


11 posted on 12/03/2009 8:09:01 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: RowdyFFC

Well, you must be lying, otherwise you would understand that Ms. Taitz, Esq., doesn’t know how to file a brief.


12 posted on 12/03/2009 8:11:24 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: USALiberty

I like Orly. I just do.


13 posted on 12/03/2009 8:35:27 PM PST by beagleone
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To: 1rudeboy

Same here.

This comedy is still unfolding.


14 posted on 12/03/2009 8:38:14 PM PST by 200 Motels
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To: RowdyFFC
One thing I have noticed is that justice seems to be a game for lawyers. Not knowing how to file a brief derails an entire proceeding. As a citizen I don't have “standing” to demand that a person running/sitting as president meets constitutional requirements. No lawyers have set up a system where procedure is sacrosanct and it is the first major layer of obfuscation of justice. And so many people think it so clever to play games with the system and the people that work so hard to get justice out of it. How smug they are. How corrupt our justice system is.
15 posted on 12/03/2009 8:57:54 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: LucyT

ping


16 posted on 12/03/2009 10:04:12 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes, she knows how to file a brief. Do you? Ever filed one?

NO, you haven’t.

Get yourself a life...and be rude somewhere out of my face, thank you. See how easy I am?


17 posted on 12/03/2009 10:42:00 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: beagleone

She is a raving lunatic and is going to end up losing her ticket if she isn’t more careful.


18 posted on 12/03/2009 10:46:47 PM PST by DryFly
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To: USALiberty

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


19 posted on 12/03/2009 11:07:44 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: RowdyFFC
I have, in the same court where she had her rear end handed to her in GA. She has submitted some of the strangest looking, non-conforming pleadings I have ever seen in Federal Court.

The point is that when you are making an argument in court you need to conform to the rules (both Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the local rules of the district court you are in). It's not a trivial point. You want your argument to stand out - by submitting an unfocused, non-conforming series of pleadings and drawing more attention to herself then to her arguments - she weakens her position. I have seen her cite dynamic websites by referencing the URL, as evidence. What's next - Wikipedia? The attached document in this latest effort (the reference to Equatorial Guinea) is no better than that. As evidence, on its face it has no more credibility than a Wikipedia entry.

20 posted on 12/03/2009 11:19:35 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: USALiberty
Ummm.....

This is the article mentioned in Orly Taitz's filing:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4mwQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5osDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6655,2037468&dq=roman-obama&hl=en

Please notice that it includes a picture of Roman Obama.

Unless Barack Obama (who Orly is now accusing of being Roman Obama) gained about 30 pounds around the age of 31, had male pattern baldness, lost several inches in height, had his ears pinned (and later unpinned), and had extensive plastic surgery, there is no possible way that they could be the same person.

Do search engines not work where she lives?

And what does her new claim that Obama was born in Equatorial Guinea mean in light of all the cases she has filed saying he was born in Kenya?

21 posted on 12/03/2009 11:22:56 PM PST by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Would you buy a used car from this huckster?)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Fine, so you have filed briefs in that court...so why aren’t you getting off your behind and helping her? If you are correct, then where are all the other big brave lawyers in the US? Or could it be that you’re just spouting off off?


22 posted on 12/03/2009 11:30:50 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

BY THE WAY, the USURPERS briefs made mention of his ONLINE PRESENTATION as his already having provided proof.


23 posted on 12/03/2009 11:33:27 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: DryFly

She may be a raving lunatic, but she’s my kind of raving lunatic.


24 posted on 12/04/2009 4:10:37 AM PST by beagleone
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To: RowdyFFC
Yes, she knows how to file a brief.

Not according to Judge Land, his clerks, and the employees at his courthouse. Sorry to rain facts on Taitz' clown parade.

25 posted on 12/04/2009 5:15:23 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Then you must know that a Hawaiian official who makes an out of court statement that they have seen the document and it is accurate IS hearsay, and violates the best evidence rule.

That doesnt negate citing Wiki (Phil Berg did it too, and I found that to be comical and it detracted from his credibility too) but the main point of these lawsuits is to compel production of the long form BC, and not rely on hearsay statements from govt. quasimodos as to what the document purports to say.


26 posted on 12/04/2009 5:23:14 AM PST by Canedawg (Bring lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: USALiberty
Gosh, I hate to bring this up in view of the strong opinions on both sides of this, but I have an honest and legitimate question. I am not even conversant in legal matters so it might be a totally silly question, but here goes.

Any chance she is working for the other side? What better way to foul up the search for the truth than by planing all manner of false and incorrectly filed suits? It's confusing enough without all the questions regarding her ability as an attorney, but throw in some of the, apparently, obvious miscues and it gets even harder to know what's what. Meanwhile, Obama goes on his merry way with every passing day making it more difficult to undo the damage that's being done.

I have no opinion one way or the other. It just seems to me like to easy a way to throw a monkey wrench into the works.

Laugh if you want, deride if you please, but I just have a hard time overlooking so devious a plan, what with knowing the nature of Barry the Wonder Slug.

27 posted on 12/04/2009 5:37:48 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Red Steel; circumbendibus; RowdyFFC; Wally_Kalbacken; jwparkerjr
Red Steel said "Click here to see the attachment to that document, which is allegedly an immigration forum for Obama."

I'm glad you said "allegedly" because the document is not an immigration form. It's merely a publicly available report generated by Inteligator, which is nothing more than an aggregator of public information: Inteligator.com is a provider of information, gathered from publicly available data. Inteligator.com does not create, verify, or guarantee the accuracy of such data; rather, Inteligator.com receives its information from various sources, including Internet sites. Since immigration records are not public information, there is no "immigration record" information shown in the report.

circumbendibus said "What will Carter say about this? This is from the US Immigration document on Obama that Orly filed. The US attorneys have some 'splainin' to do.

I doubt Carter will say anything, but if he does, it won't be good for Orly – or her clients. Orly has contended – for quite a while – that Obama was born in Kenya. She even submitted two different (and, notably, contradictory and now debunked) so-called Kenyan birth certificates to "prove" her case. NOW she argues that he's from Equatorial New Guinea rather than Kenya ???? The only parties substantially hurt by the most recent submission are Orly's clients. So -- it's Orly who has some 'splainin' to do – not the USAGs.

RowdyFFC said "Yes, she knows how to file a brief...."

No, actually, she doesn't although it's worth noting that this is not a brief – it's a "letter to the Judge." (no comment on that). But when she has filed briefs – in CA, GA, and FL, the courts have repeatedly (over a dozen times) issued notice of deficiency orders – because she didn't know how to file the brief properly. In this recent submission, she dumps a stack of so-called "exhibits" – which is a real mess. She didn't even take the time to do a page break between each different document, so it's difficult to read. She didn't paginate the pages. And she included an excerpt from some (unattributed) email apparently sent to her – it's laughable. The email – which she's submitted to the court ... contains, among other statements: Don't know how much of this is new to you, suggests that birth announcements in Hawaii are fakes due to incorrect letter spacing not used by the era's linotype ...
Contains mention of brother, but not much more ...
It seems if you can connect Patrice Lumuba Friendship University, it may prove a national security threat: ...
Somewhere, deep within the site: www.Newzeal.blogspot.com you may be able to find info that will lead you in a helpful direction. There are about 90 write-ups of Obama's Socialist and Communist connections under the heading "The Obama Files" (right side, a couple scrolls down.) I've been doing a little research for the author, he's in the states right now, think he's heading to CA right now. ...
That Orly submitted this little jewel to the court is proof that she doesn't know how to properly file ... much of anything.
(And yes, I've filed many many (hundreds) of briefs before, in state and federal courts.)

Wally_Kalbacken said "The point is that when you are making an argument in court you need to conform to the rules (both Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the local rules of the district court you are in). It's not a trivial point. You want your argument to stand out - by submitting an unfocused, non-conforming series of pleadings and drawing more attention to herself then to her arguments - she weakens her position. I have seen her cite dynamic websites by referencing the URL, as evidence. What's next - Wikipedia? The attached document in this latest effort (the reference to Equatorial Guinea) is no better than that. As evidence, on its face it has no more credibility than a Wikipedia entry.

Yes! Except – well, she has cited Wikipedia in the past, and the current exhibits have lesscredibility because they're not even sourced at all.

jwparkerjr asked "Any chance she is working for the other side?

I don't think so. You can't fake her passionate hate for the man. I think she's sincere in her beliefs, just incompetent in her execution.
28 posted on 12/04/2009 7:37:32 AM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: DryFly
She is a raving lunatic

I would have said "spastic clown" but I agree.

29 posted on 12/04/2009 7:53:21 AM PST by humblegunner (™)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Let me ask you a questions.

You are saying Orly isn’t filing briefs correctly; that her use of evidence gathered from online websites lessens her position.

Both The Justice Department and attorneys on Obama’s payroll have filed briefs, citing websites that claim to have in their possession Obama’s authentic birth certificate.

How does the use of a website by Orly diminish her cause while the use of a website by Obama’s defense team strengthen their case?

I also question why judges; who have dismissed eligibility cases from various lawyers, have referenced “fight the smears” or other websites as a reason for dismissal.

Btw...I’m not being a smart ass asking this question, I’ve wondered for a while why so many people object to Orly using websites in her briefs when Obama’s team does the exact same thing.


30 posted on 12/04/2009 8:55:44 AM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ping to new Orly lunacy.


31 posted on 12/04/2009 9:27:00 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Nuc1
". No lawyers have set up a system where procedure is sacrosanct and it is the first major layer of obfuscation of justice."

That's hardly the case. There's nothing "sacrosanct" about effecting proper service, or signing your pleadings. These are about as remedial elements of law as you can get.

There are literally tens of thousands of lawyers that graduate from law schools all across the country, everything six months. Virtually none of them would have had the problems that Orly has brought on herself. Why? Because they physically went to a law school where they interacted with live professors who educated them. Orly didn't, and it shows.

32 posted on 12/04/2009 9:29:26 AM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: Brytani; All
Thanks Brytani! You asked the same question I have! I also wonder why Obama is paying so many attorneys to keep his records sealed when just showing his actual long form birth certificate would end all the court cases.

Even Sarah was asked about the BC issue as to weather she thought the questions were fair game. She replied that since media people had asked for proof that Trig was her baby by showing his birth certificate, that certainly Americans should be able to ask Obama to show his!

Thought that was a great point! So WHY won't Obama just end all the cases and answer the very simple question concerning his place of birth? What is he hiding???

33 posted on 12/04/2009 9:33:10 AM PST by seekthetruth ("PLEASE PRAY FOR OBAMA - Psalm 109:8 ")
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To: RowdyFFC; 1rudeboy
"Yes, she knows how to file a brief. Do you? Ever filed one?"

No, she doesn't. And, no I haven't filed "one". I have filed thousands. She's incompetent, moving well past the point of malpractice. And, she demonstrates many of the classic signs of paranoid delusion. Just saying.

34 posted on 12/04/2009 9:33:48 AM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: Canedawg

Then you must know that a Hawaiian official who makes an out of court statement that they have seen the document and it is accurate IS hearsay, and violates the best evidence rule.

That doesnt negate citing Wiki (Phil Berg did it too, and I found that to be comical and it detracted from his credibility too) but the main point of these lawsuits is to compel production of the long form BC, and not rely on hearsay statements from govt. quasimodos as to what the document purports to say.


Obama’s original, long form, vault copy Certification of Live Birth can be subpoenaed under Hawaii Statutes [338-18(b)(9)]. To date no prosecutor has sought a subpoena for the original document.
Any sworn testimony in a trial or grand jury proceeding by the director of the Hawaii Deparment of Health would be eyewitness, expert testimony and not hearsay.


35 posted on 12/04/2009 9:35:58 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
"What's next - Wikipedia?"

You know, after reading all of her pleadings, I believe she did cite Wikipedia at some point. Perhaps in the GA case, IIRC.

36 posted on 12/04/2009 9:38:27 AM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: USALiberty
Forget sanctions or disbarrment. This poor woman is going to get herself committed.
37 posted on 12/04/2009 9:39:25 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: All

______________
JB Williams
Canada Free Press

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

___________________________________

A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.

She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.

So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded

Please visit Dr. Orly’s website. Don’t be influenced by the Obots here..
Do what you can to help her.


38 posted on 12/04/2009 9:41:14 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!<p>)
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To: jamese777

You’re incorrect on both counts.

The subpoena would be quashed, and testimony as to what a document purports to say is not acceptable when the document is in existence and available.


39 posted on 12/04/2009 9:42:58 AM PST by Canedawg (Bring lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: USALiberty
“There was a concerted and a well orchestrated effort by a number of individuals to assassinate my character, endanger my law license and ultimately derail my case against Mr. Obama,”

Orly's doing a bang up job of accomplishing all that on her own. She doesn't need the help of a number of individuals.

40 posted on 12/04/2009 9:54:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: papasmurf
Folks can say what they will, but I am thankful for her.

So am I.

41 posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: papasmurf
Folks can say what they will, but I am thankful for her.

So am I.

42 posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Brytani; Wally_Kalbacken
Brytani asked "How does the use of a website by Orly diminish her cause while the use of a website by Obama’s defense team strengthen their case?

First, I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I just re-read the DOJ's Motion to Dismiss and two replies in Barnett and can't find any mention of the COLB. I checked the docs in Kerchner and couldn't find mention of it there either.

However, I do seem to recall it being mentioned somewhere - but the difference is that, unlike Orly, neither Obama's attorneys nor the DOJ have ever submitted the COLB as evidence that he was born in the United States. If I recall correctly, a passing mention was made that he'd posted a copy of his COLB on his campaign website. That's it. In contrast, Orly submits copies of stuff downloaded from the internet and/or emailed to her -- as EVIDENCE -- without authenticating it at all. That's a huge, big difference.

I also question why judges; who have dismissed eligibility cases from various lawyers, have referenced “fight the smears” or other websites as a reason for dismissal.

That has not happened - in any state or federal court. Judges have mentioned it in passing too. They have never relied upon that information to support their holding. All the holdings have been based on whether the court has jurisdiction - and the facts surrounding Obama's birth have no impact on that question.

Btw...I’m not being a smart ass asking this question, I’ve wondered for a while why so many people object to Orly using websites in her briefs when Obama’s team does the exact same thing.

They're good questions, I think. The upshot is that it is NOT the "exact" same thing - at all. The situations are completely different: Asking a court to accept a website as EVIDENCE is not at all the same thing as mentioning something as background/context.
43 posted on 12/04/2009 9:56:01 AM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: USALiberty

From her declaration:

“The report showed Mr. Obama’s date of birth to be 08.01.09”

This should be in breaking news. Obama is only 4 months old, and is thus ineligible. She should concentrate on the age issue, rather than the citizenship issue.
http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/12/orly12-3-09a.pdf

He is kind of big for a 4 month old. Interesting to see what he looks like when he gets a little older.


44 posted on 12/04/2009 9:56:57 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Red Steel
....which is allegedly an immigration forum for Obama."

Yeah, we can tell by the heading "Background Report". So Obama emigrated to the U.S. this year?

45 posted on 12/04/2009 9:59:48 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: seekthetruth

Thanks Brytani! You asked the same question I have! I also wonder why Obama is paying so many attorneys to keep his records sealed when just showing his actual long form birth certificate would end all the court cases.

Even Sarah was asked about the BC issue as to weather she thought the questions were fair game. She replied that since media people had asked for proof that Trig was her baby by showing his birth certificate, that certainly Americans should be able to ask Obama to show his!

Thought that was a great point! So WHY won’t Obama just end all the cases and answer the very simple question concerning his place of birth? What is he hiding???


It is an internet rumor that Obama is paying “millions” to attorneys. Since inauguration day, the US Justice Department provides Obama with Justice Department attorneys and before he was inaugurated, he only presented a defense in two cases, the original Berg v Obama in which his attorneys submitted a brief asking for a dismissal by the US District Court in Pennsylvania. The dismissal motion was granted and the US Supreme Court subsequently refused to hear the case. The other case was Keyes v Bowen in California that Orly Taitz is still contesting.
The American taxpayer provides Obama with his attorneys.
A majority of the 88 lawsuits that have been filed challenging Obama’s eligibility don’t even name Obama as a defendant.
For example, the recent case in Indiana which attempted to force Obama (and McCain) to prove that he (they) is (are) a native born citizen(s) was Ankeney v Mitch Daniels, Governor of Indiana. That suit forced the Republican Governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) to defend Obama because the suit challenged the state of Indiana’s method of verifying eligibilty before the votes of Indiana’s Electoral College appointees. The Indiana Court of Appeals dismissed that suit.


46 posted on 12/04/2009 10:09:34 AM PST by jamese777
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To: seekthetruth
...I also wonder why Obama is paying so many attorneys to keep his records sealed when just showing his actual long form birth certificate would end all the court cases.

First, Obama isn't paying "so many attorneys." His attorneys have appeared in only three of the 60+ cases, and DOJ has appeared in only seven. In those cases, while Orly and other plaintiffs have been prolific filers, the defense has filed very few documents - which make the same fundamental arguments that all defendants (including McCain) make when jurisdiction is at issue.

Second, as Orly and Kerchner and Hemenway have made crystal clear in their court documents, "just showing his actual long form birth certificate" would end absolutely nothing. These attorneys (and other plaintiffs) say that it doesn't matter where Obama was born because his father was a UK citizen and so, under their "theory," he's not a NBC even if he was born in the US. So, in truth, there's no point -- or advantage to Obama at all -- in producing his long form, because that will have exactly ZERO effect on plaintiffs' two-citizen parent argument.
47 posted on 12/04/2009 10:22:05 AM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: Drew68
Looks like someone just unloaded a dumptruck of pure lunacy on the Court, complete with a muffler hose schematic, hate mail, a statement that "The report showed Mr. Obama’s date of birth to be 08.01.09. and not 08.04.09."

I seriously doubt that Taitz is "free of any mental disease and psychological impairment."

48 posted on 12/04/2009 10:22:56 AM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: Canedawg; jamese777
"The subpoena would be quashed, and testimony as to what a document purports to say is not acceptable when the document is in existence and available."

It wouldn't be quashed. He cited the relevant HI statute for you. I recommend you read it. Testimony would be allowed by FRCP Rule 44(1)(B) - Proving an Official Record. I suggest you familiarize yourself with that as well, lest you make yourself look silly. It requires that an official record be under seal andattested by the appropriate government officer, or their deputy. That may be done in person, or by sworn affidavit or statement.

Everyday, in courtrooms all across America, certified copies of official documents are entered and accepted into the record, because it would be impractical (and possibly against statutory law) to remove the original documents. What you say is nonsense, just gibberish.

49 posted on 12/04/2009 10:25:10 AM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Actually, your entire post is gibberish.

it’s funny how posters who support obozo’s decision to refuse to produce the BC do not have a clear understanding of the law.

There is no proceeding in hawaii pursuant to which teh DA would or could subpoena the document. He can not do it in a vacuum. I suggest YOU also familiarize yourself with the first Executive Order signed by Obozo as well as the law of evidence, before you put your silly agenda above the actual law.


50 posted on 12/04/2009 10:36:17 AM PST by Canedawg (Bring lawyers, guns and money.)
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