Scientists Back Off of Ardi Claims (Evos give climate-hoaxers a run for their money...LOL!)

ICR News ^ | December 4, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

In May 2009, a remarkably well-preserved extinct primate, nicknamed “Ida,” was hailed as one of the most important fossil finds ever. It had features that some interpreted as a link between two primate body forms. At the time, ICR News suggested that its evolutionary significance was far overblown, predicting that the scientific consensus would offer retractions. Those retractions came three months later, confirming that the fossil―called Darwinius―was really just an extinct lemur variety...

[GodGunsGuts]

For the record, this post is being posted in News/Activism by the express permission of Jim Robinson, founder and owner of Free Republic:

“Debate on church doctrine and or threads on specific religious matters may be best posted in the religion forum, but the defense of religious freedom, especially against those who wish to deprive us of same belongs front and center on FR....They banned God and prayer and creationism from public schools and public places, but I’ll be damned if they’re gonna ban Him or it from FR!”

—Jim Robinson

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2203455/posts?page=78#78

[GodGunsGuts]

You guys are gonna love this one...LOL!

[Buck W.]

Keyword: BTMSpussout.

[Just mythoughts]

Bless their collective hearts. One does have to ‘feel’ their pain in that vast emptiness of missing links.

[xcamel]

Regardless of whether or not JR sanctions your lies..

They are still lies.

[cripplecreek]

Just a sign of weak faith in my book.

[RoadGumby]

You mean NO faith at all

[GodGunsGuts]

I can see why someone like you would want to lash out after a post such as this...LOL!

[RnMomof7]

I am glad you could post this here, I might have missed it.

When this “find” was announced the link they tried to make to man made no sense to me. I said to someone they will find out that this is an existing species.

[Allen In Texas Hill Country]

Its “Snap Your Finger” time again.

[GodGunsGuts]

You can thank Jim Robinson for allowing these posts in News/Activism. They were all being banished to Gen/Chat, until Jim stood up and personally intervened on behalf of the large body of FReepers who belong to the Christian Right. See #1 for more :o)

[Ditto]

For the record, this post is being posted in News/Activism by the express permission of Jim Robinson, founder and owner of Free Republic:

So why the globalwarming key words? It does not belong there.

[Moonman62]

Those retractions came three months later, confirming that the fossil―called Darwinius―was really just an extinct lemur variety...

So a single incorrect claim in paleontology that takes three months to correct is somehow equivalent to the AGW fraud?

[tongass kid]

For over one hundred years some creationist have claimed that God placed those fossils to confuse man kind. Yep, man kind is often confused. And yes I do love it.

[RoadGumby]

Keyword - evos-despair

[GodGunsGuts]

Because of what I put in the parenthesis in the title, and because I think they are linked/motivated by nature-religion, ideology, and fraud.

[Buck W.]

"...on behalf of the large body of FReepers who belong to the Christian Right."

What you meant to say was: "..on behalf of the dozen or so FReepers who nominally claim to belong to the Christian Right and who rabidly fantasize that this crap is actually representative of the belief of any Christians at all."

[RoadGumby]

Yes, the Cult of Gaia (AGW) and the Cult of Darwin (Evolutionists) are related. Both Refuse the existence of God.

[TooFarGone]

What? Scientist objectively evaluating a scientific claim in order to get the correct conclusion from the observable data available? Scientist challenging and correcting other scientific claims based on evidence? The free market place of ideas producing the best & accurate conclusions . . . What a concept! That’s what happens when the only dogma is the process not the conclusion.
Too bad we can’t apply the same standards to the biblical flood or the exodus or the earth standing still or the existence of biblical characters . . .

[RoadGumby]

No Christian calls the Bible a work of untruths

[Buck W.]

Entertainment and pity, not despair.

Mostly entertainment.

[Ditto]

Because of what I put in the parenthesis in the title, and because I think they are linked/motivated by nature-religion, ideology, and fraud.

The article is not about global warming. You should not have it there.

[Buck W.]

You’re correct. Most Christians call it allegory.

[GodGunsGuts]

I don’t know of any reputable creationist organization that claims that. Care to demonstrate where Creation Ministries International, Creation Research Institute, Answers in Genesis, Creation-Evolution Headlines, Creation Research Society, etc, etc, teach the nonsense you allege???

[RoadGumby]

Funny you should mention pity. I find a bit of for those who not only call God into question, but call Him a liar to boot.

[ColdWater]

Thanks for finally complying with ICR’s copy rules.

[Buck W.]

And where do you find those poor souls?

[RoadGumby]

IF what you say is true, then most Christians are wrong. Sorry if that upsets you.

[ColdWater]

Regardless of whether or not JR sanctions your lies.. They are still lies.

JR on the TOE:

"The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. "

[GodGunsGuts]

I want to give FReepers who are following the global warming hoax the opportunity to make the connection. See my profile page for another HUGE leftist science hoax.

[RoadGumby]

Well, let’s just take a look around......

Here’s a list:

Buck W. - Electric Strawberry - xcamel - Ira_Louvin just for starters

[xcamel]

TOE?
Totally Ossified Evangelicals?

[metmom]

Could you be more specific?

The fossils were heralded as missing links and it turns out they were wrongly classified.

What’s the lie here?

Is it that the author said that the fossils weren’t what they were claimed to be in the first place?

Or that someone initially claimed that they were something they weren’t after all?

[Buck W.]

No, most Christians are right and your small literalist sub-band is wrong.

[GodGunsGuts]

I don't do exact word counts, but I usually come in pretty close. But no worries, I can always count on you to conduct a word count after the fact :op

[Buck W.]

Speaking for me alone, I’m a Christian who requires no pity.

[editor-surveyor]

Hi RNMom!

Good to see you posting here.

[RoadGumby]

A person who does not believe what the Bible says, IMHO, is Not a Christian. That person discounts or dismisses what God has to tell us here. Calls Him a liar. Not much in the way of Christianity there.

[xcamel]

Yeah.. 10 or so members of the "Christian wrong..."

The real "Christian Right" wants nothing at all to do with them.

[Buck W.]

No, a person who believes that the bible is literally true without exception is a member of a small sub-band of Christianity. The rest of us know that allegory does not equate to lie.

Are Catholics Christian?

[RoadGumby]

You are arrogant. You lie about what God has to tell us and what He has done.

[xcamel]

Literally, or not??

or is this according to your special decoder ring?

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

Brian, as usual, dramatically overstates the case. And the implication that Ardi was a hoax is an out-and-out lie.

[nmh]

No matter how you cut it, evolution is a fantasy.

Let’s put it another way, evolution is as real as “global warming” and Al Gore is the Father of the Internet!

LOL!!!!!

[metmom]

There’s been more than one single incorrect claim about a fossil in the scientific world. Evolution is replete with claims that have eventually proved to be bogus.

The problem is, that when the claims are made, they are heralded with great fanfare. When they are debunked, it’s swept under the carpet.

It’s dishonest to keep trumpeting the triumphs and not admitting so vocally when you were wrong.

One reason is that it’s the cowards way out. The other reason is that it leaves the false impression that much more evidence exists connecting man to primates than is really out there.

Either way is deceptive, either outright lying, or allowing a lie to propagate without correcting it as strongly as announcing it.

[tongass kid]

I agree with you that this is not current thought but rather it is historic in some of the old great sermons of many years ago. The seminal point is that which ever approach the evolutionist take they are often confused at the best and guilty of overt deception at the worse (Piltdown man). tk

[Moonman62]

Yes, the Cult of Gaia (AGW) and the Cult of Darwin (Evolutionists) are related. Both Refuse the existence of God.

Really? You have statements from all evolutions (or even a scientific survey sample)? How about theistic evolutionists?

[Buck W.]

I’m not lying at all.

And I am arrogant. And Christian.

[GodGunsGuts]

xcamel just likes to call those whom she disagrees with “liars” regardless of the veracity of the accusation. Thus, when she calls creationists liars, she is herself committing a lie. And you know what, her evo-atheist animal impulses are perfectly ok with it.

[nmh]

Yes, evolution is a LIE.

I feel sorry for people who put their “faith” in evolution and are constantly disappointed when the latest wishful thinking or hoax is exposed. How sad that for many, evolution is their RELIGION!