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Huckabee is lying about cop killer's age and criminal record in Arkansas
The Examiner ^ | 12/4/2009 | Kevin Hall

Posted on 12/04/2009 11:06:29 AM PST by bigred08

Mike Huckabee is a liar. He granted clemency to a dangerous criminal, but wants us to believe everyone would have acted the same way. Huckabee's efforts to shift blame away from himself includes a total fabrication of Maurice Clemmons' extensive criminal history.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: huckabee; huckster; lakewoodshooting; mauriceclemmons; rinodefendershere
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1 posted on 12/04/2009 11:06:29 AM PST by bigred08
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To: bigred08

Wow.


2 posted on 12/04/2009 11:07:50 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: bigred08

Wow, heavy charges against Huckabee. I assume he will respond to these latest charges against him. It will be interesting to hear what Huckabee has to say.


3 posted on 12/04/2009 11:11:15 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: bigred08

Isn’t he a member of CFR? That tells me all I need to know about him.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 11:11:15 AM PST by xcct838
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To: bigred08
Huckabee is toast on this, just like Michael Dukakis was, a’la Willie Horton. And Romney should stay away from defending him or he'll be the jam on the toast.
5 posted on 12/04/2009 11:12:20 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: goodwithagun

Huckabee said the crimes were committed when the kid was 16, he was sentenced at 17. That doesn’t make him a liar.


6 posted on 12/04/2009 11:12:37 AM PST by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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To: bigred08

If Huckabee would just come out and say that he made a mistake, then some credibility could be preserved.

Now, the man is exposed as a soft-on-crime liar.


7 posted on 12/04/2009 11:13:59 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: bigred08
Ya think the Examiner might have an agenda?

Hmmmmmmm.....??

8 posted on 12/04/2009 11:14:09 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: bigred08

Bummer, Huckleberry! Ya got bit by the TRUTH squad! Better put some ice on it... Oh, there’s not that much ice in the WORLD, is there??? Too bad, so sad. You’re one more statist RINO out of the way.


9 posted on 12/04/2009 11:14:41 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: bigred08

you need to go post this on TIR, if you haven’t already.

Lori will go postal!!

www.theiowarepublican.com


10 posted on 12/04/2009 11:15:24 AM PST by Iowa Granny (A Penny Saved, is a Penny TAXED)
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To: bamagirl1944

The one year age difference isn’t really the issue. It’s all the other things that Huckleberry lied about. The gun thing, the amount of felonies, etc. I am on pins and needles just waiting for a fake, good-ol’-boy, folksy cliche.


11 posted on 12/04/2009 11:15:25 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Other than exposing the truth, no.


12 posted on 12/04/2009 11:15:41 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: bamagirl1944

Plus, if you actually read the entire article, you will see that this guy was very violent. Every time he was released from jail for a violent act, he went out and committed another violent act. He obviously did not learn from his mistakes. This shows that he was unable or unwilling to change.


13 posted on 12/04/2009 11:20:08 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: dcwusmc
Huckabee lies about Clemmons' age and his extensive criminal record. He is an ordained minister and often talks about the role faith plays in his life. I believe one of the Ten Commandments says something about "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Perhaps Mike Huckabee needs to go back to Sunday school.

Really?

14 posted on 12/04/2009 11:21:51 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: bamagirl1944
I have never bought into the whole juvenile gets off because of age, because the victims are not any less dead.

Such reduced punishments should apply only in case of a really young child who clearly doesn't understand ,and I mean young like pre-school.And if a gun was used then that child never again be permitted to touch a gun.

15 posted on 12/04/2009 11:23:48 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: goodwithagun
Plus, if you actually read the entire article, you will see that this guy was very violent. Every time he was released from jail for a violent act, he went out and committed another violent act. He obviously did not learn from his mistakes. This shows that he was unable or unwilling to change.

And not worthy of commutation or clemency.

More from the article:

There were also three separate courtorom incidents in 1990 where Clemmons tried to use a weapon against a judge, threw a padlock at a bailiff, and tried to take a guard's pistol. A judge ordered Clemmons be placed in leg shackles because he felt Clemmons has threatened him. Clemmons also displayed very erratic behavior during the trial, mumbling loudly throughout the proceedings. He also made an obscene gesture toward one of the witnesses testifying against him.

The commutation by Huckabee of the sentence happened in 2000

16 posted on 12/04/2009 11:24:25 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: dcwusmc
This is an excellent article.
It has facts and dates that can be verified.
Mr. Huckabee just gets shiftier every day.
I do not see how Mr. Huckabee could have pardoned him with his bad record while serving time.
Mr. Huckabee, contrary to his claims, must not have read the record.
TWB
17 posted on 12/04/2009 11:24:28 AM PST by TWhiteBear (Islam is an ideology with several elements of Judeo Christian traditions)
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To: Falcon4.0
Romney should stay away from defending him or he'll be the jam on the toast.

Like that's a bad thing.

18 posted on 12/04/2009 11:25:04 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: bigred08
To me, this is the most deceptive statement by Huckabee:

“I don't know a single person that can look me in the eye and tell me that if they had that same file in front of them they wouldn't believe that maybe 47 years was a more appropriate sentence for what he did as a minor.”

Forty-seven years might seem more appropriate if 47 years actually meant 47 years. It really meant 11 years, as it made him immediately eligible for parole and he was released a month later.

Huckabee obviously knew at the time that 108 years meant 25 to 108 years (he would have been eligible for parole in 2015 if Huckabee had not commuted his sentence) and “47 years” meant he would be released immediately, after only 11 years.

19 posted on 12/04/2009 11:28:19 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: bigred08

The guy driving the getaway car was also pardoned by Huckabee, cinvicted of a double murder during a holdup.


20 posted on 12/04/2009 11:31:10 AM PST by stockpirate (if the American people decide it's time for a revolution, we'll fight with you. Rhodes Oathkprs)
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To: bigred08

The guy driving the getaway car was also pardoned by Huckabee, convicted of a double murder during a holdup.


21 posted on 12/04/2009 11:31:12 AM PST by stockpirate (if the American people decide it's time for a revolution, we'll fight with you. Rhodes Oathkprs)
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To: bigred08

This reminds me of that Tom Cruise movie where they arrest people because they’ve seen the crimes they committed in the FUTURE!
The guilt is on the Criminal.
Otherwise, there should never be second chances!


22 posted on 12/04/2009 11:35:33 AM PST by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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To: bigred08

I would say this shows a lack of good judgment and discernment on Huckabee’s part.


23 posted on 12/04/2009 11:36:41 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Falcon4.0
Huckabee is toast on this, just like Michael Dukakis was, a’la Willie Horton.

Huck is worse than the Duke. Horton only raped two women before he was arrested. Huck has freed two people who committed murder after their release. Wayne Dumond was the first. I can't believe Huck was ever a serious contender for the GOP nomination. The Dumond case alone simply puts the Horton parole in the shade.

24 posted on 12/04/2009 11:40:54 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: bigred08

“Less than two weeks later, Clemmons and an accomplice were arrested for two separate robberies on the same night. Clemmons robbed a woman in front of an Arkansas bar. Clemmons claimed he had a gun. The woman said, “Well, why don’t you just shoot?”. Clemmons punched her in the head and snatched her purse.

35 minutes later, Clemmons and his friend hit a man in the had and stole his $500 gold chain in front of a convenience store. They were also questioned about two other robberies and one attempted robbery that occurred the same night.”

Hmmm, sounds like a good guy to me, I say commute his sentence, what say you Governor?


25 posted on 12/04/2009 11:42:48 AM PST by BobL (Real Men don't use Tag Lines)
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To: Ben Mugged

Really, really. He IS an ordained minister AND he’s just been shown to be a liar. This is a COMMENTARY piece, as well as an informational, so the author is most surely entitled to chastise a liar who proclaims himself a minister of the Gospel.


26 posted on 12/04/2009 11:43:35 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: Iowa Granny; All

Granny, this site has the Bloodhound.Exploit.287 virus attached to it, per Norton 360, which shut down my browser as the site was trying to load. I’d rethink posting it as a link, were I you!


27 posted on 12/04/2009 11:45:57 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: dcwusmc

I’m not sure I saw any out and out lies in the article. However, a lot of what he said appears to be intentionally misleading, especially where he claims he commuted the sentence to 47 years (technically true, but effectively he ensured that Clemmons would be released very soon).

If instead of making excuses, Huckabee simply admitted he let his desire to show compassion cloud his judgment, causinig him to make a horrible mistake, that cost 4 lives, I’d be a lot more sympathetic. The deceptive, self-serving spin, and deflecting of blame makes me sick. It says a lot more to me about Huckabee’s character than the actual granting of clemency.


28 posted on 12/04/2009 11:58:36 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: bigred08
Huckabee is lying

Always a safe assumption. ;)

29 posted on 12/04/2009 11:58:45 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

I’m sure it was just stupidity, not because he’s a closet leftist.


30 posted on 12/04/2009 12:12:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: bigred08

Huckabee: All the proof u need that somehow a Bible-banger can also ABSOLUTELY be a total RINO.

I’ll vote for him for Cub Scout trooper leader and NOTHING else.


31 posted on 12/04/2009 12:19:29 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Exactly!


32 posted on 12/04/2009 12:19:56 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

excellent analysis...


33 posted on 12/04/2009 12:23:10 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: dcwusmc
Granny, this site has the Bloodhound.Exploit.287 virus attached to it, per Norton 360, which shut down my browser as the site was trying to load. I’d rethink posting it as a link, were I you!

That's ODD. I go there several times a day with no problem.

Is there an outside chance you want to discourage people from visiting this site? Nice Try!! Next time try to confuse a less savy little old lady, because you're not foolin' me.

34 posted on 12/04/2009 12:31:13 PM PST by Iowa Granny (A Penny Saved, is a Penny TAXED)
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To: Ben Mugged

Yes, HuckaClemmons is a liar, “really”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD_oVYMmbJ8


35 posted on 12/04/2009 12:34:05 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First Failed Black Pres-dent.....)
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To: taxcontrol

I agree about the bad judgement. Of course the next headline on the news will be “ Huckabee lets convict out of Prison on the Promise that he will kill at least 4 Police Officers within Ten Years” He did make a mistake. I wish I knew all the details, though, like why did the parole board recommend Clemmon’s release? How much pressure was put on Huckabee to grant clemency by the parole board? Why has no one kept Clemmons locked up the numerous times he’s been arrested since Huck granted him clemency.? Of course Huckabee is going to get all of the blame because he has the highest profile, and is a Christian, and his mistake probably bothers more than a lot of folks suspect. Probably the other people that are as responsible for this guys release as Huck ,or moreso, don’t give a rats ass.


36 posted on 12/04/2009 12:44:56 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Pray for Obama,Psalms109:8)
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To: All

Just more information to show us just how much of a peaceful fun loving guy Clemmons really was. How could Huckabee not want to let such a great guy back out on the streets? </sarcasm>


37 posted on 12/04/2009 12:56:47 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedys float, Mary Jos don't)
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To: bigred08

Just another Southern Talkin Slicky!


38 posted on 12/04/2009 1:19:59 PM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: Quickgun
Of course Huckabee is going to get all of the blame because he has the highest profile, and is a Christian, and his mistake probably bothers more than a lot of folks suspect.

Being a Christian has nothing to do with it. As governor, the buck stopped at his desk. Dukakis took a drubbing over Horton, and all Horton did was rape two women after his release before being arrested. Huck is a repeat offender. He paroled Wayne Dumond, who killed two women after his release. Identity politics allowed Huck to remain a serious candidate despite the Dumond blunder:

The video's impact is not certain; Huckabee was already a long-shot candidate before the video was released, and continued to be very popular among social conservatives and southern Republicans generally, despite the fact that the South has most of the states with conservative criminal justice systems.
Fortunately, unlike the Democrats, who made Dukakis their nominee, the GOP rejected Huck, who seems to have made a career of releasing people who murder after getting out of the joint.
39 posted on 12/04/2009 2:27:14 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Iowa Granny

I wanted to go there to check out the site, but it tried to load a different site, then tried to download some Java thing and then Norton decided to shutdown my browser. I have no reason to want folks to avoid your site; it was just a friendly notice to be wary and have your anti-virus software up to date, like TODAY, since Norton says it was a virus discovered YESTERDAY.

You want to take it otherwise, be my guest.


40 posted on 12/04/2009 2:34:31 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: Quickgun

Excellent points.

It’s worth adding something I heard on the Michael Medved Show yesterday.

Before Clemmons obtained his clemency, he was something less than a model prisoner. He was involved in acts of violence while in prison. Let’s place a heavy emphasis on the word “acts”.

Huckabee claimed to have read Clemmons’ entire record. I’d have to assume that record included his record while in prison. Maybe it didn’t.

But it stands to reason that huckabee should have taken a look at Clemmons’ conduct while in prison. At that point, he probably (or at least hopefully) would have said “This guy looks like a real POS. There won’t be any clemency order coming from me”.

And I’d also include the parole board as well. It was up to them to look at every aspect of Clemmons’ record BEFORE they considered clemency.


41 posted on 12/04/2009 2:43:47 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: TheDailyChange
Just another Southern Talkin Slicky!

Would you've felt better about it if he was just another Northern Talkin Slicky instead?

42 posted on 12/04/2009 3:14:51 PM PST by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Good people tend to see good in everyone. Huckabee probably should have just stayed a minister. The fact that he let too many prisoners out was probably based on trying to bring out the “good” in people .What he didn’t realise is that some folks just don’t have any good in them. The few people that think that he let those people go for some kind of personal gain are full of crap. There was nothing in it for him. Out of the 1000 or so that were let go I’ll be willing to bet that less than 50 ever voted after that. And there’s a good chance they voted democrat if they did.
Iam sure that due to Clemmon’s age, Huckabee was touched to see a life that young wasted. He made a mistake.
I do not support Huck for President. Personally I don’t think he has the leadership skills.
I wonder, though, if folks ought to be helping him over this instead of joining the MSM in attacking him. I don’t know......


43 posted on 12/04/2009 3:29:21 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Pray for Obama,Psalms109:8)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The media probably would have spun it that way anyway. If Huck has no credibility now, the media still has less....


44 posted on 12/04/2009 3:31:55 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Pray for Obama,Psalms109:8)
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To: Quickgun
I wonder, though, if folks ought to be helping him over this instead of joining the MSM in attacking him.

My impression is that the MSM isn't really attacking him - they're not using the kinds of loaded expressions you usually get when they're in persecution mode. There's also no full-court press* in which they investigate everything he's ever done, the way they went after Palin. They're treating this as an aberration - an unusual exception that shouldn't affect what they'd like to see as a general rule, paroles that are granted early and often. Conservatives are reading the news and slamming Huck for the facts in plain view - Huck has set free two people who killed after their release.

* I don't think, for instance, that the media have investigated whether the 1000 other people he paroled have since carried out felonies that - Willie Horton-style - did not involve killing people.

45 posted on 12/04/2009 3:57:48 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: dcwusmc
Granny, this site has the Bloodhound.Exploit.287 virus attached to it, per Norton 360, which shut down my browser as the site was trying to load. I’d rethink posting it as a link, were I you!

Is your browser Internet Explorer?

46 posted on 12/04/2009 4:00:13 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei

No way. I use the latest Mozilla Firefox.


47 posted on 12/04/2009 4:22:51 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: Zhang Fei
You’re probably right about the MSM not being in full attack mode, They’re not as afraid of Huck as they are of Sarah. I just don’t care to see conservatives go too far in attacking Huck ,either. I does our cause no good. He has a good heart, and his benevolence got him in trouble. We have to remember that people like Huckabee weren’t raised up with people like Clemmons. The elementary school bully was probably the worst person Huck ever knew. And I wouldn’t go so far as call him out as a liar on this issue. He did what he thought to be the right thing to at the time. Unfortunatly ,it wasn’t.
48 posted on 12/04/2009 4:40:04 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Pray for Obama,Psalms109:8)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
Huckabee obviously knew at the time that 108 years meant 25 to 108 years (he would have been eligible for parole in 2015 if Huckabee had not commuted his sentence) and “47 years” meant he would be released immediately, after only 11 years.

This is the nuttiest thing about the justice system. When one side reduces sentences to compensate for the other side, which increases sentences to compensate. At some point someone should realize that no one is accomplishing anything, except to make things more prone to error like the ones that occurred in this case after Huckabee's initial misguided clemency.

49 posted on 12/04/2009 4:46:17 PM PST by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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To: hoosierham
I have never bought into the whole juvenile gets off because of age, because the victims are not any less dead.

Just wanted to point out that the crimes committed by Clemons when he was a juvenile were robbery and assault. He hadn't murdered anyone until later.

50 posted on 12/04/2009 4:49:09 PM PST by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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