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Destroyer CO, master chief removed over fraternization cases
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | 4 Dec 09 | Kate Wiltrout

Posted on 12/04/2009 11:19:01 AM PST by GATOR NAVY

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To: RWGinger
"I thought at first that your were saying the military is too harsh in its punishment."

LOL...not in the least. Simply that the needs of good order and discipline are critical to the military, and consequently some acts that civilians perceive as minor, inoffensive or trivial are taken much more seriously in the military, to the point that they do in fact, constitute criminal behavior.

41 posted on 12/04/2009 2:17:50 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mainevet

LOL! I had the same sort of extreme satisfaction watching a CO of mine get relieved. Old Pig Face had it coming also.


42 posted on 12/04/2009 2:24:08 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

On the other hand, I watched good sailors absolutely ruined for small stuff by someone who disliked them. Depended on the Division, Department, XO and CO. What someone in AS Div skated on, someone in M Div was keelhauled for.


43 posted on 12/04/2009 2:30:09 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ExpatGator

Old Pig Face? I can only imagine. I seem to remember CO’s becoming d*ck’s with ears when I made Chief. Old Pig Face definitely brought a smile to my face. Thanks.


44 posted on 12/04/2009 2:31:30 PM PST by mainevet
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To: ExpatGator

I’ve seen that too...IMHO, it’s not a flaw in the system, just the people working it. Civilians get rail-roaded in court too, but yeah....the military’s a small community and once you’re on somebody’s sh!t-list, it can be hard to get off it.


45 posted on 12/04/2009 2:36:50 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ExpatGator

I wouldn’t say I was ruined, but it took me 10 years to make Chief and that’s where I stayed for the next ten. I think I took the Chief Petty Officer creed too much to heart. I’m looking at it now. It’s right above my monitor. “These privileges, these responsibilities, do not appear in print, they have no official standing, they cannot be referred to by name, number, or file. They exist because for over 200 years chiefs before you have freely accepted responsibility beyond the call of printed assignment, and have by their actions and by their performance demanded the respect of their seniors, as well as their juniors. I’ll never forget that day I put on those anchors.


46 posted on 12/04/2009 2:52:25 PM PST by mainevet
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To: Joe 6-pack

Absolutely the people working it. Petty tyrants with a LOT of power. Thank goodness most senior military folks are good, honest and fair. The bad ones can make life hell though.


47 posted on 12/04/2009 3:14:29 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ExpatGator

From my last 9 years I wouldn’t say most. 5 of the last 8 O’s I worked for meaning DIVO’s non LDO’s, DH’s and CO’s, not including XO’s were POS’s. Holy Cow too many acronyms. Earth to Me, come back to civilian life. : )


48 posted on 12/04/2009 3:49:52 PM PST by mainevet
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To: mainevet

What’s up. You guys moved on to Tiger Woods and his daddy?


49 posted on 12/04/2009 4:22:18 PM PST by mainevet
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To: mainevet

Even with all the BS, I do not regret the 12 years that I served. Although, there were times during my service that I thought I would regret it.

I’ve gotten past most of the lingo, with the exception of the verbal punctuation (cussing) when excited or angry.


50 posted on 12/04/2009 4:29:19 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: mainevet

Damn. I’m too F-up’D. That’s it. we’re done. Merry Christmas.


51 posted on 12/04/2009 4:31:10 PM PST by mainevet
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To: RWGinger

Only if they want to get shot.


52 posted on 12/04/2009 5:13:49 PM PST by mainevet
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To: RinaseaofDs

I never heard it called that.


53 posted on 12/04/2009 5:15:41 PM PST by mainevet
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To: brownsfan

brownsfan? Me too. Since 1968. I feel for you. Yes they do deserve.


54 posted on 12/04/2009 5:18:27 PM PST by mainevet
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To: Retired COB

Concur.


55 posted on 12/04/2009 5:20:40 PM PST by mainevet
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To: truthguy
There are excellent reasons that women should not be on ships. These young people are in their sexual prime. Their hormones are on fire at this age. Putting them in very close proximity to members of the opposite sex is akin to storing gasoline near a furnace. Nature will win out in the end.

Even if it doesn't, it's distracting, and that can be deadly on a warship. I want that young man's eyes glued to the radar screen, not watching some girl's chest.

56 posted on 12/04/2009 5:21:39 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

In my 20 years in the Nav, that depended on who you were.


57 posted on 12/04/2009 5:27:11 PM PST by mainevet
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To: mainevet
The article has been updated at the link:

Rosi would not comment on the nature of the Williams' fraternization cases, but said that nine sailors received non-judicial punishment for fraternization. Five were male chief petty officers, he said, and four were female junior enlisted sailors: one first class petty officer, two second class petty officers and one third class petty officer.

Idiots. Old enough to know to keep their zippers up.

58 posted on 12/05/2009 1:27:46 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: GATOR NAVY
Five were male chief petty officers I wouldn't consider them to be Chief Petty Officer's after this. Definitely E-7's though.
59 posted on 12/07/2009 11:48:17 AM PST by mainevet
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Hey another one here-Navy relieves top officers on ship over relationship. This one was the XO on my last ship. I can't say I saw this coming. I wouldn't have been surprised to see him being relieved for being an a-hole, but not for fraternization.
60 posted on 12/11/2009 10:17:49 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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