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Taking Inspiration from Nature (see especially amazing BBC video link!)
CEH ^ | December 3, 2009

Posted on 12/04/2009 2:09:23 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Dec 3, 2009 — In the previous entry, Darwin inspired some geologists, even though he was wrong. Here are some news stories showing nature inspiring engineers with wonders right under their noses...

(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...


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1 posted on 12/04/2009 2:09:24 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

HMS CREATION PING!


2 posted on 12/04/2009 2:10:31 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting. Now maybe Scientist will actually look at all of the hairbrain atheist dogma, and show it for what it is....nothing but an anti-God propaganda scheme.


3 posted on 12/04/2009 2:14:26 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: GodGunsGuts

More misinformation, misdirection, and oh yeah... LIES too.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 2:19:36 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Marty62

Problem is, they are pushing the dogma, and they (currently) control the ideology of science. But I expect that will be changing in the fairly near future.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 2:21:49 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Examples of Natural Selection at its best.


6 posted on 12/04/2009 2:33:11 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

Neither Darwin nor Lyell had the least clue about plate tectonic theory either. However, plate tectonics does little to support literal biblical creation or a young earth theory. How did the granite get to the top of the mountain range in the first place under a young earth format, granite is intrusive igneous rock, meaning it came in beneath other rocks in the crust initially. It must have taken a day or two to get up at the high elevations.


7 posted on 12/04/2009 2:44:30 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Thought you might find the following interesting—GGG

Catastrophic Granite Formation: Rapid Melting of Source Rocks, and Rapid Magma Intrusion and Cooling

Abstract

The timescale for the generation of granitic magmas and their subsequent intrusion, crystallization, and cooling as plutons is no longer incompatible with the biblical time frames of the global, year-long Flood cataclysm and of 6,000–7,000 years for earth history...

http://www.answersingenesis.org/contents/379/Catastrophic-Granite-Formation.pdf


8 posted on 12/04/2009 2:52:14 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Very interesting.


9 posted on 12/04/2009 2:56:43 PM PST by rae4palin
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why.. this must mean the Earth is 6000 years old
and that dinosaurs rode on the Ark! SHAZAAMM!


10 posted on 12/04/2009 2:59:02 PM PST by humblegunner (™)
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To: GodGunsGuts
HMS CREATION PING!

Metmom is still over on one of your other threads talking about how parents should not be wasting the school boards money! I informed her that it was not the school boards money.

11 posted on 12/04/2009 2:59:30 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: humblegunner; GodGunsGuts
Why.. this must mean the Earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs rode on the Ark! SHAZAAMM!

I think that they used the dinosaurs to ride around on their inspections of the ark. After all, they say that dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible but they never mention anything about horses.


12 posted on 12/04/2009 3:02:38 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: humblegunner

13 posted on 12/04/2009 3:03:04 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts; xcamel
HMS CREATION PING!

GGG. I am disappointed in you again for not pinging me!

14 posted on 12/04/2009 3:04:58 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: xcamel

ROFL!


15 posted on 12/04/2009 3:05:50 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts

Just think. If not for this thread, the other GGG thread would have made it to over 500!


16 posted on 12/04/2009 3:06:08 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts

Its “Snap Your Finger” time again.


17 posted on 12/04/2009 3:06:26 PM PST by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: ColdWater

We’re workin’ on it...


18 posted on 12/04/2009 3:09:33 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

19 posted on 12/04/2009 3:11:15 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: JimSEA

how did granite get to the tops of mountains? During Noah’s flood when the earth broke forth and the waters of the deep opened up.


20 posted on 12/04/2009 3:20:22 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: guitarplayer1953
During Noah’s flood when the earth broke forth and the waters of the deep opened up.

How?

21 posted on 12/04/2009 3:24:58 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: guitarplayer1953

Clue: A Granite mountain is granite...Top, Middle & Bottom.


22 posted on 12/04/2009 3:25:21 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks! Bookmarked to watch later...


23 posted on 12/04/2009 3:27:19 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Vote conservative....Please pray for our Troops, our Vets, our Country, Families and Friends)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Nonsense. The plutons may form relatively quickly but the magma will not cool that quickly. crystal formation does not equate to cool granite on top of the Sierras. Rock is a good insulator. I worked in a mine where the rock temperature at the 2,000 foot level was 140-150 degrees, much hotter than the country rock surrounding the magma intrusion. Erosion had had the time to expose the volcanic plug situated some miles away completely down to its core. We can only assume that the rate of erosion is the same now as it was 6,000 or 100 million years back. Limestone was perched on top of this intrusive pluton suggesting that it was undersea at the time it formed.

Any basis in knowledge about geology or evolution on my part is due to interest and reading an no formal education. It is however my belief, corroborated by reading and observation.

Now< I notice you are swinging a "Jim Robinson" club. If you are so certain that your views are the only truth surely you can get me banned as a heretic for doubting the nonsense you spew.

24 posted on 12/04/2009 3:33:03 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA; GodGunsGuts
Now< I notice you are swinging a "Jim Robinson" club. If you are so certain that your views are the only truth surely you can get me banned as a heretic for doubting the nonsense you spew.

Not to worry. JR: "The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. "

25 posted on 12/04/2009 3:37:00 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

26 posted on 12/04/2009 3:40:05 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts

“The timescale for the generation of granitic magmas and their subsequent intrusion, crystallization,
and cooling as plutons is no longer incompatible with the biblical time frames of the global, year-long
Flood cataclysm and of 6,000–7,000 years for earth history.”

Which is it? 6000 or 7000 years?


27 posted on 12/04/2009 3:44:44 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts

If all these geological events only take a few days, how come we never see any of the events in the last centuries? Does that mean that geological clocks are running at rates different from a couple of thousand years ago?


28 posted on 12/04/2009 3:47:13 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts

Apparently this guy saw your cartoon.

http://noolmusic.com/youtube_videos/dinosaurs_noahs_ark_evolution_part_1.php


29 posted on 12/04/2009 4:07:36 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts

30 posted on 12/04/2009 4:11:41 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts

31 posted on 12/04/2009 4:13:53 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: JimSEA; GodGunsGuts
"Thought you might find the following interesting—GGG"

Thought you might find it interesting that the source cited isn't a prestigious university with a highly ranked Geology program or a well established and peer reviewed author, it is the "Answers in Genesis" website and the author is Dr. Andrew Snelling. For those who don't know Snelling is considered a crack pot within the geological community. Before you form an opinion, check out some legitimate sources.

32 posted on 12/04/2009 4:14:16 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: xcamel

So it came from below. why are there sea shells in some of them that came from the bottom of the sea?


33 posted on 12/04/2009 4:18:50 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Natural Law

......crack pot ......

In the geological community. How about his followers? It would seem they are also crack pots. Some are even serial crackpots. Others are habitual crackpots


34 posted on 12/04/2009 4:20:47 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: Natural Law

......crack pot ......

In the geological community. How about his followers? It would seem they are also crack pots. Some are even serial crackpots. Others are habitual crackpots


35 posted on 12/04/2009 4:20:49 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: GodGunsGuts

36 posted on 12/04/2009 4:21:30 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here is your Dr. talking about formations over a billion years ago!

"The Archaean basement consists of domes of granitoids and granitic gneisses (the Nanambu Complex), the nearest outcrop being 5 km to the north. Some of the lowermost overlying Proterozoic metasediments were accreted to these domes during amphibolite grade regional metamorphism (5 to 8 kb and 550° to 630° C) at 1870 to 1800 Myr. Multiple isoclinal recumbent folding accompanied metamorphism."

37 posted on 12/04/2009 4:28:04 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater
Here's one of mine:

"I feel lucky! Make a wish."


38 posted on 12/04/2009 4:31:35 PM PST by aruanan
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To: GodGunsGuts
Will the real Dr. please come forward?
39 posted on 12/04/2009 4:34:31 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: guitarplayer1953

Tectonic uplift,,, see “Himalayas”, You know.. 6th grade science class....


40 posted on 12/04/2009 4:37:34 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: ColdWater

Should I not go to that link? :) Inquiring mind want to know before I take the leap!


41 posted on 12/04/2009 4:40:05 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Vote conservative....Please pray for our Troops, our Vets, our Country, Families and Friends)
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To: xcamel

how much does the uplift equal each year? 1 inch two iches? millions and millions of years to make the fossiles on the bottom of the sea and then how many years does it take to make a moutain?


42 posted on 12/04/2009 4:48:09 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: JimSEA
==If you are so certain that your views are the only truth surely you can get me banned as a heretic for doubting the nonsense you spew.

LOL...and here I thought you were one of the few long-age evos capable of carrying on a good natured difference of opinion. I find that the one area that I am wrong more than any other is when I give evos (who appear friendly at first, but are seething Temple of Darwin fanatics just below the surface) the benefit of the doubt.

==Nonsense. The plutons may form relatively quickly but the magma will not cool that quickly.

Ah, but you digress. Or should I say that you are changing the subject? Or should I say you are deflecting attention away from the ignorance and outdated assumptions displayed in your first statement/question? This was your opening salvo, remember?:

"How did the granite get to the top of the mountain range in the first place under a young earth format, granite is intrusive igneous rock, meaning it came in beneath other rocks in the crust initially. It must have taken a day or two to get up at the high elevations."

Then I pointed out to you that modern science has determined that the very same granite that the long-agers assumed (without evidence) took millions of years to form, can in fact melt, segregate, ascend and emplace within a “geologically extremely rapid—perhaps even catastrophic” timeframe, well within the traditional biblical chronology.

But now you want to pretend that knew all along that granite could form quickly--even catastrophically--and now you wish to change the subject to cooling. Ok, I'll bite. Why don't you put up the best argument you can muster for the long-age cooling of granite, and I'll give the creation science argument for rapid cooling, and we'll see which one is favored by the available evidence, shall we?

==We can only assume that the rate of erosion is the same now as it was 6,000 or 100 million years back. Limestone was perched on top of this intrusive pluton suggesting that it was undersea at the time it formed.

Another typical evo/long-ager mistake. Surely you must know by now that Lyellian gradualism is being rapidly replaced by catastrophism by all sides of the origins debate (to include granite formation)?

Finally, I was really looking forward to a cordial discussion/debate with you, but my hopes were dimmed by your concluding remarks. Perhaps we can both let bygones be bygones and agree to conduct ourselves like gentelmen for the rest of the discussion? Just a thought--GGG

43 posted on 12/04/2009 4:56:32 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

What about your good Dr. who writes that the earth is billions of years old? Is he lying in his professional papers?


44 posted on 12/04/2009 4:58:18 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts
Which is your Dr. Snelling?


45 posted on 12/04/2009 5:04:29 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: All

For those who are interesting in Dr. Snelling’s response to the accusations emanating from “hard-line” and “blinkered” evolutionists, please click the following link:

http://www.trueorigin.org/ca_as_01.asp


46 posted on 12/04/2009 5:10:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdWater; metmom

Courtesy Ping to Metmom.


47 posted on 12/04/2009 5:10:13 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Politicalmom

There is a decided lack of that going around. Thank you.


48 posted on 12/04/2009 5:11:44 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

No problem, my FRiend. :)


49 posted on 12/04/2009 5:13:51 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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Courtesy Ping to Metmom.

I used to CP her all the time but one time I forgot and she went into a mouth-breathing tirade. If she is so immature as that I quit giving her CPs.

50 posted on 12/04/2009 5:14:46 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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