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Official Request byCongressmen to See Obama's Birth Certificate-Straw Which Breaks This Camel's Back
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Posted on 12/04/2009 4:47:27 PM PST by cycle of discernment

OFFICIAL REQUEST BY CONGRESSMEN TO SEE OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WILL BE THE STRAW WHICH BREAKS THIS CAMEL’S BACK

Political analysis by John Charlton

Obama's presidential campaign was hailed for its forceful imagery, but after 11 months the public has come to understand the undisputed facts about him, don't fit the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

(Dec. 4, 2009) — Georgia’s representative in the U.S. House, Nathan Deal announced in early November that he and 10 House colleagues were going to sign a joint letter, asking Obama to publicly reveal his birth certificate,.

The simple enough question was rebuffed and ridiculed by the Main Stream Media, and even the Savannah Morning News, as if a birth certificate was some sort of private journal or diary of past affairs.

The mere fact that the liberals and progressives ridiculed Nathan Deal — whose only interest is to quiet the nation — shows that they have no substantive reason to oppose the request. It further shows that they know that Obama cannot oblige Deal and his co-signatories, for in Democratic circles nothing is a secret.

What will Obama say to Nathan Deal? The answer must come soon. Deal said that he was to send his letter after Thanksgiving. Any delay on the part of Barack Hussein Obama to oblige Deal, will only further erode his political influence in Washington, D.C..

Obama has been effectively checkmated by the concerted effort of public support, publicized lawsuits on the eligibility question, publicity campaigns such as those of World Net Daily and Charles Kerchner to put the issue in the face of liberals on a constant basis, and blogs and bloggers the world over.

If Obama obliges him, then the online image of a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) provided by his campaign will be proven a forgery, according to the consensus of opinion of citizens who have studied the images posted on the net and found some images of the allegedly same document, contain a HI State seal and some do not.

If Obama does refuses, however, it will only further confirm that he has something to hide.

Palins remark that it is a valid issue and Ogden’s resignation as Deputy U.S. Attorney General in the same week, following the sending of Nathan Deal’s letter, appear to be diagnostic signs that the political establishment understands the risks and imminent crisis about to break. The publicity garnered by the testimony of the U.S. Marine, who goes by the nik, Race Bannon, only further tilt the Obama regime towards political implosion.

Even the pulse of Obama’s political support on the net tells the tale: a lull and quiet among them posting comments at opposition blogs is noticeable. There remain only the violent, the perverse and the somewhat mad to carry on the cheers of “Change,” which were the mind numbing drum beat of the Obama for American campaign, just 14 months ago.

The political momentum of the nation now follows diverse roads to the same destination, and the resulting fireworks are going to be much brighter and invigorating than those of any Fourth of July in many a year!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; article2section1; bho44; birthcertficate; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; citizen; citizenship; deal; eligibility; hawaii; honolulu; indonesia; ineligible; kenya; nathandeal; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamacrimes; obamafamily; obamatruth; obamatruthfile; passport; usurper
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To: RowdyFFC

Nothing I have ever posted, on FR or elsewhere, identifies me as an Obama worshiper. That’s just ignorance or insanity on your part. I don’t know which.


301 posted on 12/06/2009 4:06:22 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: deport

I have read it already ver batim, read the EO...I understand it perfectly. I do not need you to school me on what Barack Obama did.

Thank you, very much.


302 posted on 12/06/2009 5:13:20 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: curiosity
“That's good enough in any court of law to prove the place of birth”

NOT IN THE STATE OF HAWAII!
There are programs funded by the state for native-born Hawaiians that REQUIRE the long form as proof of birth in Hawaii!

303 posted on 12/06/2009 5:27:49 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: RowdyFFC

Glad I could help.....


304 posted on 12/06/2009 5:58:17 PM PST by deport (86 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
NOT IN THE STATE OF HAWAII!

Yes it is.

There are programs funded by the state for native-born Hawaiians that REQUIRE the long form as proof of birth in Hawaii!

No there aren't.

305 posted on 12/06/2009 6:06:58 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

“There were no restrictions on US citizens traveling to Pakistan in 1981.”

There were no prohibitions, true. However, American citizens were strongly advised by the State Department NOT TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN at that time!


306 posted on 12/06/2009 6:09:20 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: curiosity
"Obama and every single member of his family have consistently said he was born in Kapi'olani."

Except his paternal grandma who was at his birth in Mombasa, and his sister (who said it was a different hospital).

BTW the newspaper birth announcement listed a house where they never lived as their residence.

307 posted on 12/06/2009 6:21:23 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: curiosity

“...when the director of public health for the state of Hawaii officially verifies that the state vital record also shows he was born in Hawaii...”

Since you are so fond of pointing out others’ misinformation:

The official said no such thing. I personally saw that official say there is indeed a birth certificate on file in the state records, but NOTHING about what was contained in it!


308 posted on 12/06/2009 6:30:12 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: curiosity

“No there aren’t.”

You’re childish, even for a TROLL.


309 posted on 12/06/2009 6:37:17 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: El Gato
Vattel was far from obscure to the well educated men who wrote the Constitution.

That doesn't explain why the founding fathers would use a definition without explanation from a theoretical work casting aside a definition of citizenship familiar to all.

310 posted on 12/06/2009 7:26:21 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: tet68
most of the land owners shipping their produce for export) would certainly have been conversant with the Laws of Nations to conduct their business as maritime enterprises.

Why? Vattel's work was philosophical and theoretical. It may be useful if one wished to argue how things ought to be, but not as a handbook of laws as they existed.

311 posted on 12/06/2009 7:32:21 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
There are programs funded by the state for native-born Hawaiians that REQUIRE the long form as proof of birth in Hawaii!

One could be a native born Hawaiian and prove it going all the way back to Captain Cook and still not qualify for the state programs to which you refer because the programs are for native (ethnic) Hawaiians. It has to do with proving ethnicity, not citizenship.

312 posted on 12/06/2009 7:42:35 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: curiosity

Well, curiosity, since you are one of the usual suspects, as obamite apologists go, why don’t you post the law (cite, please) in 1961. After, if you are calling me a liar, back it up.


313 posted on 12/06/2009 8:44:44 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: lucysmom
That doesn't explain why the founding fathers would use a definition without explanation from a theoretical work casting aside a definition of citizenship familiar to all.

You are assuming it was "theoretical" in their eyes. It wasn't, any more than Blackstone's "Commentaries on the Laws of England", with which it was more or less contemporary. (1765-1769 for Blackstone, 1758 for Vattel). Blackstone's commentaries were presented first in oral form starting in 1753)

314 posted on 12/06/2009 9:26:27 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: lucysmom
That doesn't explain why the founding fathers would use a definition without explanation from a theoretical work casting aside a definition of citizenship familiar to all.

There was no such "familiar definition" of citizenship. There were definitions of natural born "subject". But being subjects of some royal ashhole was just what they did not want. Thus they chose, or accepted, a definition that would not allow the first generation progeny of European royalty to hold the office of Commander in Chief of the American Army. Using the "born in the country" definition (that was not really the pure case in England either) would have allowed some "peer" of the Relm to come over with a pregnant Royal wife, or marry some American wench, and then set up, using the ample purses of the "great families" of Europe, his progeny as President and Commander in Chief, and from their form a new Royal Line, in America.

To such a notion the founders, common men and more educated elites alike, would have said not only No, but Hell No.

315 posted on 12/06/2009 10:04:16 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Using the "born in the country" definition (that was not really the pure case in England either) would have allowed some "peer" of the Relm to come over with a pregnant Royal wife, or marry some American wench, and then set up, using the ample purses of the "great families" of Europe, his progeny as President and Commander in Chief, and from their form a new Royal Line, in America.

To such a notion the founders, common men and more educated elites alike, would have said not only No, but Hell No.

I see, so the founding fathers wanted to make sure that no child of a peer born on US soil could grow up and run for president, even though no one would vote for him anyway.

316 posted on 12/06/2009 10:43:47 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
I see, so the founding fathers wanted to make sure that no child of a peer born on US soil could grow up and run for president, even though no one would vote for him anyway.

Just like no one would ever vote for a left leaning Muslam sympathizer, just 8 years after several thousand Americans had been killed by radicial Muslims?

In a word, yes.

317 posted on 12/07/2009 9:19:10 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
The official said no such thing. I personally saw that official say there is indeed a birth certificate on file in the state records, but NOTHING about what was contained in it!

Yes she did. The following is a direct quote:

"Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i"

The full press release is at the following link:

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

318 posted on 12/07/2009 10:42:42 AM PST by curiosity
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
You’re childish, even for a TROLL.

I see, so in your mind, when someone says something is false, it is somehow childish for me to point that out.

What pray tell, in your world, are adults supposed to do when someone makes a false statement?

319 posted on 12/07/2009 10:44:34 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Smokin' Joe
Well, curiosity, since you are one of the usual suspects, as obamite apologists go, why don’t you post the law (cite, please) in 1961. After, if you are calling me a liar, back it up.

How can I post a law that doesn't exist?

Let me give you a hint. When you make a claim, like your assertion that under some unspecified 1961 law Obama would not be an American citizen even if born in Hawaii, then the burden is on you to back it up. The burden is not on those who would say your claim is false.

That is especially true if you won't even say which law you are talking about.

320 posted on 12/07/2009 10:48:22 AM PST by curiosity
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To: cycle of discernment; RaceBannon
The publicity garnered by the testimony of the U.S. Marine, who goes by the nik, Race Bannon, only further tilt the Obama regime towards political implosion.

Did I miss something? Which testimony and when?

321 posted on 12/07/2009 10:49:05 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
There were no prohibitions, true. However, American citizens were strongly advised by the State Department NOT TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN at that time!

Even if that were true (and it's not), so? How exactly would it prove Obama isn't eligible to be president?

322 posted on 12/07/2009 10:49:58 AM PST by curiosity
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To: 6ppc

a paper I wrote that was intended to be just a private letter that someone posted

I never thought it would be popular~! It is only based upon a memory from 1980.

Easy to pass a lie detector because I believe it, but I have no proof


323 posted on 12/07/2009 10:53:37 AM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Except his paternal grandma who was at his birth in Mombasa, and his sister (who said it was a different hospital).

Neither of the above is true.

His paternal grandma (step grandma, actually) never said he was born in Mombasa. In point of fact she stated on numerous occausions that he was born in Hawaii. You obviously did not listen to the entire McRae tape.

And no, Obama's sister never said he was born at Queens hospital. That rumor got started because some student, writing in an article for a school newsletter about Maya, plagiarized a Wikipedia entry that erroneously listed her borther's birth hospital as Queens.

BTW the newspaper birth announcement listed a house where they never lived as their residence.

That is also not true. This link does a nice job debunking this birther rumor:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/obama-birth-announcement-false/

The tendency for bithers to believe nonsense without checking their facts never ceases to amaze me.

324 posted on 12/07/2009 11:01:06 AM PST by curiosity
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To: danamco
NOT grandma Sarah, who saw his birth in Kenya!!!

That is simply not true. She never said anything of the sort. Did you listen to the entire McRae tape, or did you only listen to the birther-edited version that cuts her off right before she says he was born in Hawaii?

325 posted on 12/07/2009 11:02:38 AM PST by curiosity
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To: El Gato
Having it presented before a court of law,

He hasn't had an opportunity to present it before a court of law because every single case against him has been dismissed before discovery.

rather than spending mucho dinero keeping courts from getting to "evidence".

And how, exactly, do you know he's spent so much money?

Preferably a copy that never went through his hands, but rather directly to the court. A certified copy of the long form would be better, since it contains information not on the CoLB, such as parent's birthplaces, witness to the birth, etc. All of which may bear on the question of "natural born".

How exactly does that extra information have anything to do with natural born status?

326 posted on 12/07/2009 11:06:14 AM PST by curiosity
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Rumor has it that Leo Donofrio and Steve Pidgeon have been retained by some auto dealers to file a quo warranto in D.C. Challenging Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of POTUS. If this rumor is true, this will be the first serious chance to get a SCOTUS ruling on the definition of NBC.

Can you explain why you think that this will be a serious chance to get a SCOTUS ruling on the NBC definition? How do auto dealers have any more standing than, say, active or retired military servicemembers? And how are they going to explain the connection between Obama's NBC status/eligiblity and what the bankruptcy court did - or even what Obama did? I'm missing something. As I understand it, they would have to demonstrate that Obama did what he did *because* of his NBC status. Stated another way, they have to show that the only reason Obama did [the long list of complained-of actions relating to GM/Chrysler] was *because* he was not an NBC. Otherwise, there's no connection between his role in the bankruptcy proceedings and NBC - which means that they will not be able to litigate NBC. If he did what he did because he's a [... insert favorite adjective here /socialist/communist/etc ...] liberal, then, NBC will not be at issue.

Additionally, how do they propose to get around the rules requiring that any quo warranto be brought by the AG? What's they're "special interest" that overrides the statute?
327 posted on 12/07/2009 11:07:02 AM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: El Gato
It would raise qustions of why would he have concealed a BC that doesn't show anything "bad" or disqualifying.

He hasn't concealed anything. He probably doesn't have a copy of his original BC. Many people don't. I don't have mine. It might be in a box somewhere in my Mom's garage, and it would probably take her a year to dig it up. So when I needed it, I ordered a COLB and have used it for everything.

In some states, they don't even give you a copy of the original any more. After my daughter was born, they just gave me a certified computer printout with the relevant information, and that's good enough for any purpose. I got her a passport with it.

Since it's so much easier to get a COLB from Hawaii than a copy of the original BC, and the COLB is accepted as proof of birth location at every government agency, and in any court of law, it's entirely reasonable to present a COLB rather than a BC.

It would increase the chance that the original was fraudulently filed,

How do you figure? Just because home births were rare doesn't mean they are fraudulantly filed. What makes you think fraud is likely in this case?

Thus it would cast more suspicion, and inquiry into the certificate.

On what basis?

328 posted on 12/07/2009 11:14:17 AM PST by curiosity
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Seriously, ANY American who thinks it is perfectly fine to have a complete BLANK SLATE who refuses to fill in any of the blanks about himself or his life to enable himself the very PRIVILEGE of seeking to occupy the office of President of the United States, fully fills the bill of being “Pathetic”. Utterly Amazing!! Just continue on and celebrate and argue for your own destruction. You won’t be busy for a very long time tho, as the destruction is happening at an absolutely dizzying pace. CO


329 posted on 12/07/2009 11:14:42 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Red Steel
f Obama's birth certificate was obtained by witness affidavit, the birth witness very likely lied to the state of Hawaii.

What makes you think it would be likely?

Obama could NOT have been born in Kapi'olani hospital, now could he?

You pick and choose what the 'facts' are you want to believe in ... followed your "infallible" logic.

No, I just consider the credibility of the source before I believe what I read.

As far as I can tell, there are only two news sources that reported he was born in Queens hospital: UPI and the Rainbow Newsletter.

The UPI has a history of sloppy reporting, and they actually corrected the story after it was pointed out to them that they were in error.

The Rainbow Newsletter is a school paper, and it's pretty clear that much of the article was plagiarized from a Wikipedia entry.

It amazes me how birthers seem to attach more credibility to the UPI and a plagiarzed article in a school paper than the director of the Hawaii Department of Health.

Fact: We do not know for a fact if Obama was born in Hawaii.

We have no less reason to believe he was born in Hawaii than we have reason to believe that GW Bush was born in Connecticut or that Bill Clinton was born in Arkansas.

330 posted on 12/07/2009 11:21:17 AM PST by curiosity
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To: null and void
The problem being that the same department can also verify that Chiang Kai-Shek was born in Hawaii, as it can also do for any number of foreign born children adopted by Hawaiians.

That is simply not true.

331 posted on 12/07/2009 11:24:16 AM PST by curiosity
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To: null and void
OBAMA released them? Source please.

Okay, you got me. He did not do it personally. His campaign allowed the COLB to be photographed, and allowed those photos tobe posted on the internet.

Big deal.

332 posted on 12/07/2009 11:27:00 AM PST by curiosity
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To: conservativegramma

Well conservativegramma, there appear to be an awful lot of folk who like those spit polished jack boots!! Deception is a terrible thing. CO


333 posted on 12/07/2009 11:29:14 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: curiosity

It would increase the chance that the original was fraudulently filed,

How do you figure? Just because home births were rare doesn’t mean they are fraudulantly filed. What makes you think fraud is likely in this case?

Thus it would cast more suspicion, and inquiry into the certificate.

On what basis?
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SHEESH get your head out of the sand or wherever it is and open your eyes. Please don’t tell me you really believe what you just wrote!


334 posted on 12/07/2009 11:30:07 AM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Josephat

I agree with you completely. The One Worlders are a HUGE part of this abomination which, left to it’s own devices will produce an Obamaggedon. “You know the scripture “ the Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent take it by force”. That simply means, that as a Nation, you must take this seriously and actually DO something about it. Yes, firstly in prayer, in fact, covered by prayer. But all of us Christians are scripturally bound to DO what is in the power of our own hand to do. Tyranny has never been thrown own by peaceful means. Not a single time in history. CO


335 posted on 12/07/2009 11:39:17 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Principled

Knew him a Mercer U. Very smart man.


336 posted on 12/07/2009 11:41:23 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: rolling_stone
Please don’t tell me you really believe what you just wrote!

Yes I do believe it. Now please tell me, what makes you think it is likely his BC was fraudulantly filed if it turns out it says he had a home birth? I seriously doubt it does say that, but I'm simply asking this for sake of argument.

337 posted on 12/07/2009 11:42:27 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Sibre Fan

It would certainly appears that the confiscated car dealerships have been financially injured, possible un-constitutionally and thereby have more standing to challenge the usurper’s eligibility question!!!


338 posted on 12/07/2009 11:44:04 AM PST by danamco
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To: curiosity
What makes you think it would be likely?

You've been trolling these threads for about a year and a half, you know.

It amazes me how birthers seem to attach more credibility to the UPI and a plagiarzed article in a school paper than the director of the Hawaii Department of Health.

The same Hawaiian DOH who won't give a straight answer to define their terminology they use on their issued COLB. The same Hawaiian DOH who parse their words and are evasive. They are not trustworthy. You put your trust in the Obama people for telling you the truth -- LoL!

339 posted on 12/07/2009 11:50:24 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: curiosity

Yes it is true, I have seen three different video where she adamantly claimed that your friend (your employer?) Barry Soetoro was born in Kenya. Two of those videos are now sealed also!!!


340 posted on 12/07/2009 11:50:50 AM PST by danamco
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To: rolling_stone
SHEESH get your head out of the sand or wherever it is and open your eyes. Please don’t tell me you really believe what you just wrote!

She's too busy kissing Obama's backside to give a flip.

341 posted on 12/07/2009 11:55:57 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: danamco
Yes it is true, I have seen three different video where she adamantly claimed that your friend (your employer?) Barry Soetoro was born in Kenya.

I don't believe you. Do you have a link?

342 posted on 12/07/2009 11:57:47 AM PST by curiosity
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To: RaceBannon

If your recall is correct, it’s highly likely that was Obama you conversed with.


343 posted on 12/07/2009 12:02:03 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The same Hawaiian DOH who won't give a straight answer to define their terminology they use on their issued COLB.

Let's see. She said, "Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii." That seems pretty straight forward do me. How do you figure that's "parsed" or "evasive?"

344 posted on 12/07/2009 12:02:45 PM PST by curiosity
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To: danamco

Just as an aside, I recall reading that in l961 Kapiolani was NOT a hospital but a simple clinic only. I believe it was simply there to treat simple “boo-boos”!! CO


345 posted on 12/07/2009 12:02:55 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t support Obama or his refusal to disclose relevant information about himself that should be available to American citizens.

I don’t believe he is eligible to hold the office of POTUS based on his British/Kenyan citizenship at birth. I support challeges to his eligibility. I simply don’t believe that any of the eligibility suits thus far have legal standing. And I certainly don’t support Orly Taitz because she’s either mentally ill or an attention whore or both.

I am working on my own challenge in Texas against the Texas Democratic Party and the Texas Secretary of State to regarding the numerous Texas election laws they broke during the 2008 election and to require future absolute verification of presidential candidates’ eligibility under the Constitution.

You base your conclusions about me upon a single comment about birthers? Who’s pathetic? Don’t confuse my opinion of legal standing in the eligibility suits or my disdain for birthers who destroy the credibility of the eligibility issue with my support for Obama.


346 posted on 12/07/2009 12:17:33 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: curiosity
More evasiveness:

Born in Hawai. If that's the case Obama should release his birth certificate. I highly suspect grandma Dunham lied to Hawaii by saying [affidavit] Obama was born in Hawaii. You should wonder un-Curios why Fukino said that a day after Rep. Abercrombie-rat got Congress to pass a meaningless resolution stating Obama was born in Hawaii that is buried inside the resolution. That is called covered my butt because Congress said so too if this blows up in my [Fukino's] face.

So Hawaii gets Congress to state Obama was born in Hawaii? LoL! Like that's going to change the fact if Obama was NOT born in the state. Where Obama was born should be clearly apparent. Again, that's evasiveness.

347 posted on 12/07/2009 12:21:44 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Born in Hawai. If that's the case Obama should release his birth certificate.

He released pictures of his COLB, a hard copy of which is just as good for the purposes of proving place of birth in any court of low or any Federal agency. Now it's true, a hard copy, not just a picture, is necessary for proof, but sending out a hard copy to every citizen who requests one doesn't seem like a reasonable demand to me.

I highly suspect grandma Dunham lied to Hawaii by saying [affidavit] Obama was born in Hawaii.

And what, pray tell, is the basis of your suspicion?

You should wonder un-Curios why Fukino said that a day after Rep. Abercrombie-rat got Congress to pass a meaningless resolution stating Obama was born in Hawaii that is buried inside the resolution. That is called covered my butt because Congress said so too if this blows up in my [Fukino's] face.

Huh? I don't follow your logic here. She based here statement on what Hawaii's vital records state, not on the Congressional resolution.

So Hawaii gets Congress to state Obama was born in Hawaii?

No, Hawaii says its vital records show Obama was born in Hawaii. I don't see what the congressional resolution has to do with it.

Where Obama was born should be clearly apparent.

It is.

Again, that's evasiveness.

Only in your mind.

348 posted on 12/07/2009 12:31:25 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Canadian Outrage
I recall reading that in l961 Kapiolani was NOT a hospital but a simple clinic only.

LOL. This is how false internet rumors get started. Someone "recalls reading" something that isn't true, then in gets repeated again and again until everyone just assumes it is true, and no one bothers to check.

That's how so many birthers came to believe the following falsehoods:

1) There was a State Department ban on travel to Pakistan by US citizens in 1981.
2) That Obama and his sister once said he was born in Queens hospital.
3) That Obama's sister has a Hawaiian COLB listing Hawaii as her birthplace.
4) That anyone born outside Hawaii can get a COLB that falsely says one was born in Hawaii.
5) That Obama's step-grandma says she whitnessed his birth in Kenya.
6) That McCain released his birth certificate to the public.
7) That McCain was born in Colon, Panama.

None of the above claims are true, yet birthers continue to repeat them, ad nausiam, over and over again as if they were gospel.

Let me give you a word of advice: don't believe everything you read.

349 posted on 12/07/2009 12:43:00 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Sibre Fan

I’ll gather some information (with links) on quo warranto for you and post it here.

Leo and Steve were hired to bring two actions on behalf of the auto dealers. First, they will petition the bankruptcy court for a re-hearing. Second, they will petition the D.C. District Court for leave to file a quo warranto against Obama and his administration.

If A.G. Holder and (separately) the current U.S. Attorney for the D.C. District Court refuse to initiate a quo warranto action, then Leo and Steve may petition the D.C. District Court for leave to file the action. Such an action is brought in the name of the U.S. ex relator. (IANAL)

Their “special interest” is the standing of their clients who have demonstrable injury caused by the direct actions of Obama AND his administration in the handling of the Chrysler bankruptcy action. They don’t have to prove that Obama and his administration took such actions because Obama is not an NBC. They essentially have to prove that their injuries were a direct result of the Obama Admininistration’s actions and that such actions were/are unconstitutional. Then they have to provide sufficient evidence that a question exists about Obama’s eligiblity to hold the office of POTUS (and by definition his administration’s eligibility to hold their appointed offices.) To do so they must prove that the definition of NBC is undefined as it pertains to Obama’s British/Kenyan citizenship at birth under the British Nationality Act.

Auto dealers have standing while active and retired military do not because their personal property was taken by order of the government under the bankruptcy agreement, which was orchestrated, negotiated, and approved by the Obama Administration. They sustained significant financial damage due to the bankruptcy agreement.


350 posted on 12/07/2009 12:49:35 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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