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To: curiosity
Sheesh I thought you were making progress. Yes you finally found the right section of law that could govern Obie Jr in 1961. It changes nothing. It is an obscure law that required a child (go ahead determine what that meant in the statute)to become a LAPR prior to their US citizen parent petitioning(1961 term, currently the word application is used)for a certificate of citizenship for their child. Generally INS would take several years to process such a petition. In processing it they would have to determine the paternity of Obie Jr and whether the marriage and Obie Jr. was legitimate. (oops secret would be out) This gives her the motive to take the easy way out and have grandma say Obie was born in Hawaii. Sorry no cigar for you.

The scenario suggested was that Stanley Ann went to Kenya with Obie Sr, didn't like it and having to share with Obie Sr’s other wife and decided to come home but couldn't get on a plane due to her late stage of pregnancy. She was short time to do anything so would she have time to find an immigration lawyer to advise her over in Kenya and if she did what advice would he give her? Or did she and grandma just decide to take the easy way and fake it? It makes more sense.

As for Stanley Ann's divorce, she swore she had been a resident of Honolulu Hawaii ..now at at least two years past as of the date of filing for divorce -January 20, 1964 when she had not. She was enrolled at the University of Washington in Spring of 1962 and did not return to Hawaii until probably December 1962 or January 1963, making her continuous residency in Hawaii less than two years.

423 posted on 12/11/2009 8:16:35 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: rolling_stone
It changes nothing.

Sure it does. It establishes a straighforward, legal means for which Stanley Ann could have acquired citizenship for her son even if he were born in Kenya.

It is an obscure law that required a child (go ahead determine what that meant in the statute)

LOL. Talk about grasping a straws. Next you'll start claiming that the meaning of "is" is obscure.

to become a LAPR prior to their US citizen parent petitioning(1961 term, currently the word application is used)for a certificate of citizenship for their child. Generally INS would take several years to process such a petition.

Nope. The 1952 Act directs US consolates to grant an immigrant visa upon being presented evidence of maternity and the US citizenship of the mother. All she would need would be her passport and his birth certificate. There was no need to deal with the INS, at least for this part.

She would only have to deal with INS upon her return to the states when petitioning for his naturalized citizenship.

In processing it they would have to determine the paternity of Obie Jr and whether the marriage and Obie Jr. was legitimate.

If he were illegitimate, then according the 1952 law, he would be a citizen at birth and there would be no need for any petitioning.

This gives her the motive to take the easy way out and have grandma say Obie was born in Hawaii. Sorry no cigar for you.

Back at you.

The scenario suggested was that Stanley Ann went to Kenya with Obie Sr, didn't like it and having to share with Obie Sr’s other wife and decided to come home but couldn't get on a plane due to her late stage of pregnancy.

Yes, that's the scenario, for which there is exactly zero evidence. It's nothing more than wild, birther speculation.

She was short time to do anything so would she have time to find an immigration lawyer to advise her over in Kenya and if she did what advice would he give her? Or did she and grandma just decide to take the easy way and fake it? It makes more sense.

Right. It makes so much sense that a 6-7 month pregnant educated woman would travel to Kenya in 1961, just to give birth in third world conditions./sarcasm

And then it makes so much sense that it never occurred to said educated woman that she might be able to obtain US visa and then citizenship for her son legally. It's so unreasonable that she might have called up the US consolate to ask about her options./sarcasm

As for Stanley Ann's divorce, she swore she had been a resident of Honolulu Hawaii ..now at at least two years past as of the date of filing for divorce -January 20, 1964 when she had not. She was enrolled at the University of Washington in Spring of 1962 and did not return to Hawaii until probably December 1962 or January 1963, making her continuous residency in Hawaii less than two years.

Some states allow college students, whose parents are living in state, to keep their residency while temporarily studying out of state. It's therefore quite possible that Hawaii was her legal domicile while she was studying at the UW.

I'm not sure whether this was the case under Hawaii in 1961, but since you're the one accusing her of fraud (not me), the burden of proof is on you.

Also, where do you get the 2-year residency requirement? Current law only requires six months:

http://www.divorcesource.com/info/divorcelawsreq/hawaii.shtml

Can you provide a source for your assertion that in 1961 the requirement was two years?

424 posted on 12/14/2009 11:14:36 AM PST by curiosity
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